D3 tennis

Ihatetennis

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sorry to make a new thread, I couldn't find one for d3 recruiting and results specifically

Today Amherst committed 2 5 star recruits and 3 4 star recruits

D3 tennis is getting good!!
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
Some of the D3 schools have incredible facilities. My son got a brochure from one last week with indoor and outdoor courts, fitness center etc that would rival some of the D1 facilities, and it was not even in the Northeast. If a 4 or 5 star has the academics to get a merit scholarship at a D3 or can get need-based aid, it makes sense for them to consider the top D3 schools. However, usually it is much cheaper for a 4 or 5 star to attend D1. We knew a smart high ranked player who got an offer to Amherst but went to a very high ranked and much cheaper to them public university. Of course some tennis families are so wealthy they can pay full tuition at D3. My son knows of a couple players who fly to tournaments on private jets and others that have tennis courts, gyms, etc in their backyard and their own full time coach/trainer. It will be interesting to see what colleges the jetsetters choose...

Chicago had the best recruiting class last year (4) so they would not need as many guys this year; I think Chicago is 2nd so far this year in high level recruits(3). Last year 21 4 star-blue chip players went to D3 colleges or about 10%. So far for 2016 graduates, 10 4 star+ have chosen D3. Even though D3 doesn't offer athletic scholarships, I did see there were 16 international players that went D3 from 2015 but they didnt sign with top D3.

The Ivys are really racking up the 4star-blue chips for 2016 grads. For 2015 16 guys signed with the Ivys. For 2016, there are 18 already committed to Ivys. What that means is each year around 20% of top players are choosing schools (Ivy or D3) without athletic scholarships.
 

Nostradamus

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Some of the D3 schools have incredible facilities. My son got a brochure from one last week with indoor and outdoor courts, fitness center etc that would rival some of the D1 facilities, and it was not even in the Northeast. If a 4 or 5 star has the academics to get a merit scholarship at a D3 or can get need-based aid, it makes sense for them to consider the top D3 schools. However, usually it is much cheaper for a 4 or 5 star to attend D1. We knew a smart high ranked player who got an offer to Amherst but went to a very high ranked and much cheaper to them public university. Of course some tennis families are so wealthy they can pay full tuition at D3. My son knows of a couple players who fly to tournaments on private jets and others that have tennis courts, gyms, etc in their backyard and their own full time coach/trainer. It will be interesting to see what colleges the jetsetters choose...

Chicago had the best recruiting class last year (4) so they would not need as many guys this year; I think Chicago is 2nd so far this year in high level recruits(3). Last year 21 4 star-blue chip players went to D3 colleges or about 10%. So far for 2016 graduates, 10 4 star+ have chosen D3. Even though D3 doesn't offer athletic scholarships, I did see there were 16 international players that went D3 from 2015 but they didnt sign with top D3.

The Ivys are really racking up the 4star-blue chips for 2016 grads. For 2015 16 guys signed with the Ivys. For 2016, there are 18 already committed to Ivys. What that means is each year around 20% of top players are choosing schools (Ivy or D3) without athletic scholarships.
What is Chicago ? is that University of Chicago ? if it is then they are probably going to there for Academics and using the tennis as way to get in. University of Chicago not known for tennis or other athletics really. Northwestern however is D1 and they have Great athletic programs as well as great academic programs..
 

Ihatetennis

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What is Chicago ? is that University of Chicago ? if it is then they are probably going to there for Academics and using the tennis as way to get in. University of Chicago not known for tennis or other athletics really. Northwestern however is D1 and they have Great athletic programs as well as great academic programs..
University of Chicago is not known for their tennis.....

Nostradamus they're ranked top in the nation every year and have amazing talent and players. They're known for tennis, ask anyone who actually knows tennis.

Few academic oriented players will choose d1 over d3 if they want to pursue a degree beyon business or Econ. Pre med and pre law are very tough and even tougher in d1
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
University of Chicago is not known for their tennis.....

Nostradamus they're ranked top in the nation every year and have amazing talent and players. They're known for tennis, ask anyone who actually knows tennis.

Few academic oriented players will choose d1 over d3 if they want to pursue a degree beyon business or Econ. Pre med and pre law are very tough and even tougher in d1
I NEVER heard of U of Chicago tennis program. because they never make news. pre-med is tougher in D1 ?????????? what does D1 or D3 have to do with it ??????? lol
 

Doubles

Legend
I NEVER heard of U of Chicago tennis program. because they never make news. pre-med is tougher in D1 ?????????? what does D1 or D3 have to do with it ??????? lol
Fedace, just stop. Please, find a life off of these boards.

OP, don't fall for his bait. UChicago clearly has a good program based off of their ranking and the kind of recruits they bring in.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Fedace, just stop. Please, find a life off of these boards.

OP, don't fall for his bait. UChicago clearly has a good program based off of their ranking and the kind of recruits they bring in.
LOL, NADALGIRL, U of Chicago doesn't even have scholarship programs. Their focus is on Academics and tennis players knows that. and they use the tennis to get into the university and get a good degree....
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
I NEVER heard of U of Chicago tennis program. because they never make news. pre-med is tougher in D1 ?????????? what does D1 or D3 have to do with it ??????? lol
Pre med is tougher in d1 because in d1 you practice year round and travel more. In d3 you don't have mandatory practice during off season.

D1 tennis +tough degree is significantly harder than d3 tennis + tough degree.

Time commitment is much more in d1
 

andfor

Legend
It's not unusual to have one or two 5 stars and multiple 4 and 3 stars sign with DIII schools. With three 5 stars already signing this year it's the most by just one player since 2009.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
It's not unusual to have one or two 5 stars and multiple 4 and 3 stars sign with DIII schools. With three 5 stars already signing this year it's the most by just one player since 2009.
its crazy to see a d3 school get more than 2 in 4 years, 2 in a class is crzy
 

Doubles

Legend
LOL, NADALGIRL, U of Chicago doesn't even have scholarship programs. Their focus is on Academics and tennis players knows that. and they use the tennis to get into the university and get a good degree....
And their lack of scholarships has what to do with them getting 4 and 5 stars? With logic like yours I can see how you want to "Standford"
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
CaKid why do so many 4 star to blue chip Californians go to D3? 1/3 of all top 3 D3 recruits (4 star-blue chip) for 2015 were from Calif which surprised me since you have so many good schools in state. Some big sections only have a single top ranked recruit choose D3 each year.
 

NoChance

Rookie
I think that for many, D3 is an attractive choice. The opportunity to focus on academics, combined with still being able to play tennis, would have to be very appealing.

Having been around collegiate players at all levels, there is sense of normalcy about D3 players that often is missing at higher levels.

Speaking of Amherst, their head coach was an HC in the Big Ten for a few years. Do you suppose his life is less stressful today?

I understand that for some, the drive to be as competitive as possible is there, and those players need to be at the highest level of competition. But, I've been around many D3ers who just seemed happier.

Unfortunately, some of those programs could fall by the wayside, for reasons mentioned in other threads.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
I think that for many, D3 is an attractive choice. The opportunity to focus on academics, combined with still being able to play tennis, would have to be very appealing.

Having been around collegiate players at all levels, there is sense of normalcy about D3 players that often is missing at higher levels.

Speaking of Amherst, their head coach was an HC in the Big Ten for a few years. Do you suppose his life is less stressful today?

I understand that for some, the drive to be as competitive as possible is there, and those players need to be at the highest level of competition. But, I've been around many D3ers who just seemed happier.

Unfortunately, some of those programs could fall by the wayside, for reasons mentioned in other threads.
he was at tcu so im sure hes getting tcu runoff
 

CaKid

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CaKid why do so many 4 star to blue chip Californians go to D3? 1/3 of all top 3 D3 recruits (4 star-blue chip) for 2015 were from Calif which surprised me since you have so many good schools in state. Some big sections only have a single top ranked recruit choose D3 each year.
Many reasons. Here in Cali we are constantly hearing about the decline of the UC's. Overcrowding, budget cuts, low four-year graduation rates. The top D3's guarantee to meet full need, making them more affordable than state publics for some. UCLA and Berkeley combined only take a handful of recruits, and the other UC's are not as appealing. With all the high-achieving tennis players we have here, Ivy or Stanford is the target, and those who don't quite make it will look for other top ranked colleges to fall back on. My kid was one of those highly ranked players who chose a top D3 and he is having a fantastic experience both with the team and academically.
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
Many reasons. Here in Cali we are constantly hearing about the decline of the UC's. Overcrowding, budget cuts, low four-year graduation rates. The top D3's guarantee to meet full need, making them more affordable than state publics for some. UCLA and Berkeley combined only take a handful of recruits, and the other UC's are not as appealing. With all the high-achieving tennis players we have here, Ivy or Stanford is the target, and those who don't quite make it will look for other top ranked colleges to fall back on. My kid was one of those highly ranked players who chose a top D3 and he is having a fantastic experience both with the team and academically.
I read an article on College Confidential recently about top California kids being shut out of UC in favor of higher tuition paying out of state and international students. Sorry to hear it is affecting California tennis players too. I think any college would be lucky to California player-SoCal seems to be the toughest section. I did not realize how hard it was to get in UC schools until I read the article, as a couple of grads from my son's public high school are Berkeley freshmen. Glad your son is having a great experience at a D3.
 

maggmaster

Hall of Fame
I was a d3 athlete, it really is a great way to play in college. My club had the d3 national team tournament a couple years back and that was the most fun I have ever had a tournament. The athletes are so invested in their teammates success and they get very very invested in every match.
 

lgbalfa

Professional
one of the the recruits Amherst got who is a 5 star recruit is joshua marchalik from New Jersey.

i was really surprised that he chose a D3 school over a mid level D1 school.

a lot of people who are not even as good as him even went to D1 programs.

he just won the high school state tournament in singles last year as a junior and is the clear favorite to win it again this spring.

D3 does not even give athletic scholarships i don't think and he probably could have gotten a full ride at a D1 school.

i don't believe that Amherst is a top notch academic school either compared to schools in the Big 10 or SEC, etc..
 

tennisbuck

Professional
one of the the recruits Amherst got who is a 5 star recruit is joshua marchalik from New Jersey.

i was really surprised that he chose a D3 school over a mid level D1 school.

a lot of people who are not even as good as him even went to D1 programs.

he just won the high school state tournament in singles last year as a junior and is the clear favorite to win it again this spring.

D3 does not even give athletic scholarships i don't think and he probably could have gotten a full ride at a D1 school.

i don't believe that Amherst is a top notch academic school either compared to schools in the Big 10 or SEC, etc..
I don't know man; Amherst's academics are pretty outstanding and I'm not Sure many SEC or Big 10s would compare. Amherst is 9 on Forbes college list. to put some perspective on that number, Amherst ranks above 4 of the IVYS. I know rankings aren't everything, but that is pretty rare air. The students there are of such elite caliber which creates a different kind of learning and discussion than that at big sports schools. Also, at Amherst a student will get a lot more interaction with professors than at a SEC. Lastly, playing tennis at Amherst isn't going to be as time consuming which further makes the education even more incomparable.
 
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Faker

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I don't know man; Amherst's academics are pretty outstanding and I'm not Sure many SEC or Big 10s would compare. Amherst is 9 on Forbes college list. to put some perspective on that number, Amherst ranks above 4 of the IVYS. I know rankings aren't everything, but that is pretty rare air. The students there are of such elite caliber which creates a different kind of learning and discussion than that at big sports schools. Also, at Amherst a student will get a lot more interaction with professors than at a SEC. Lastly, playing tennis at Amherst isn't going to be as time consuming which further makes the education even more incomparable.
Well this here is a misconception. Amherst is a very good school academically, but it isn't good enough to be ahead of any of the Ivys. This is coming from a current senior. Of the big tens the only school that would rank higher(and actually is "better" academically) than Amherst is Northwestern. From the SEC it would be Vanderbilt but Amherst is definitely closer to Vanderbilt than Northwestern in terms of academics. Forbes college list and us news college list isn't the be all end all. For example, Emory is 21 on us news, but that is overrating it by too much and in reality it is more around the 30 range. As for Ivy leagues and Amherst, it is easier to get into Amherst than the Ivys, end of story there too. Even Cornell, the easiest Ivy to get into, is harder than Amherst and for the most part, better academically too. Amherst is an elite school, but the number 9 ranking given by Forbes is overrating it by too much. Forbes is especially unreliable. I just checked the Forbes ranking and Pomona and Williams are ranked 1 and 2........with HYP at 4, 5, and 6. Doesn't matter what ranking it is, HYP should always be in the top 3. Going through the rest of their list, it is not reliable at all. In terms of D3, Amherst isn't king either. MIT and Uchicago are definitely more prestigious which is reflected on tennis recruiting although MIT has stricter requirements for merit for recruits to even get in because they are so highly sought after.
 
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Ihatetennis

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Well this here is a misconception. Amherst is a very good school academically, but it isn't good enough to be ahead of any of the Ivys. This is coming from a current senior. Of the big tens the only school that would rank higher(and actually is "better" academically) than Amherst is Northwestern. From the SEC it would be Vanderbilt but Amherst is definitely closer to Vanderbilt than Northwestern in terms of academics. Forbes college list and us news college list isn't the be all end all. For example, Emory is 21 on us news, but that is overrating it by too much and in reality it is more around the 30 range. As for Ivy leagues and Amherst, it is easier to get into Amherst than the Ivys, end of story there too. Even Cornell, the easiest Ivy to get into, is harder than Amherst and for the most part, better academically too. Amherst is an elite school, but the number 9 ranking given by Forbes is overrating it by too much. Forbes is especially unreliable. I just checked the Forbes ranking and Pomona and Williams are ranked 1 and 2........with HYP at 4, 5, and 6. Doesn't matter what ranking it is, HYP should always be in the top 3. Going through the rest of their list, it is not reliable at all. In terms of D3, Amherst isn't king either. MIT and Uchicago are definitely more prestigious which is reflected on tennis recruiting although MIT has stricter requirements for merit for recruits to even get in because they are so highly sought after.
amherst is equal to ivys and far above sec and any public school.

look at variables in education.

Big school (sec and any state schools)
larger class size
first and second year classes are often taught by Teachers assistants
no open door policy

small school
smaller average class size
professors teach the classes instead of a ta
open door policies for tutoring


amherst has 14% acceptance with the 25-75 percentiles scoring from 2080 to 2360 and 31-34 act

sat middle 50% reading 700-800 math 690-780 writing 690-780

cornell has an acceptance rate of 14% 25-75 percentile scoring 1970-2270 and act 30-34

sat middle 50% reading 640-740 math 680-780 writing 650-750


stop trying to discredit liberal arts schools that arent ivys or state schools

your reasoning and logic doesnt work, amherst and other top d3 liberal arts schools are just as competitive if not more than their larger counterparts.

amherst is slightly below harvard in everything. amherst which you discredit and have under many other small schools and public schools

amherst is also above cornell which is an ivy

stop using personal bias, use factual evidence

amherst and like schools are at the top. theyre as good if not better than ivy and stateschools and here is factual evidence to prove it.

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/1874-1929/Amherst-College-vs-Harvard-University

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/1874-2748/Amherst-College-vs-Cornell-University
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
amherst is equal to ivys and far above sec and any public school.

look at variables in education.

Big school (sec and any state schools)
larger class size
first and second year classes are often taught by Teachers assistants
no open door policy

small school
smaller average class size
professors teach the classes instead of a ta
open door policies for tutoring


amherst has 14% acceptance with the 25-75 percentiles scoring from 2080 to 2360 and 31-34 act

sat middle 50% reading 700-800 math 690-780 writing 690-780

cornell has an acceptance rate of 14% 25-75 percentile scoring 1970-2270 and act 30-34

sat middle 50% reading 640-740 math 680-780 writing 650-750


stop trying to discredit liberal arts schools that arent ivys or state schools

your reasoning and logic doesnt work, amherst and other top d3 liberal arts schools are just as competitive if not more than their larger counterparts.

amherst is slightly below harvard in everything. amherst which you discredit and have under many other small schools and public schools

amherst is also above cornell which is an ivy

stop using personal bias, use factual evidence

amherst and like schools are at the top. theyre as good if not better than ivy and stateschools and here is factual evidence to prove it.

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/1874-1929/Amherst-College-vs-Harvard-University

http://colleges.startclass.com/compare/1874-2748/Amherst-College-vs-Cornell-University
Internet stats aren't everything. If you ask most people(from personal experience too), a good 3/4 would say they would rather go to Cornell than Amherst. Amherst is better than all big 10 schools except Northwestern and Umich Ross. In the SEC Vanderbilt is comparable. Average SAT and ACT scores are lowered by athlete admissions for highly sought after D1 schools like Cornell. Stats that you find on google are a somewhat good indication, but they don't tell the whole story and are for the most part, not completely accurate either. Amherst is at the top, better than just about all state schools, but it has nothing on the top Ivys and in reality, would be around the 17-20 range in terms of nationally rankings on the us news list.


Also, Amherst is not slightly Harvard in everything. I visited the site you linked me. An 8.5% difference in acceptance rate is HUGE and knowing kids that are attending Harvard by merit now and the kids that are attending Amherst by merit now, the difference in high school achievements is pretty huge too.

Are you an employer, student applying to college, or a student in college right now? If you are, then tell me which one you would choose, Cornell or Amherst, then Harvard or Amherst, then Northwestern or Amherst. Don't answer these questions if you aren't in any of the groups I mentioned, but pretty much all of the kids in my age group would choose any of those 3 in a heartbeat over Amherst. Like I said, not discrediting Amherst, it is still a top school and I would be very happy and proud if that is where I attend college(at the end of the day I'm accepting the reality that I'll be going somewhere worse than Amherst too at least for my freshman year, not that it is a bad thing). It is easily still a top 20 institution.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Internet stats aren't everything. If you ask most people(from personal experience too), a good 3/4 would say they would rather go to Cornell than Amherst. Amherst is better than all big 10 schools except Northwestern and Umich Ross. In the SEC Vanderbilt is comparable. Average SAT and ACT scores are lowered by athlete admissions for highly sought after D1 schools like Cornell. Stats that you find on google are a somewhat good indication, but they don't tell the whole story and are for the most part, not completely accurate either. Amherst is at the top, better than just about all state schools, but it has nothing on the top Ivys and in reality, would be around the 17-20 range in terms of nationally rankings on the us news list.


Also, Amherst is not slightly Harvard in everything. I visited the site you linked me. An 8.5% difference in acceptance rate is HUGE and knowing kids that are attending Harvard by merit now and the kids that are attending Amherst by merit now, the difference in high school achievements is pretty huge too.

Are you an employer, student applying to college, or a student in college right now? If you are, then tell me which one you would choose, Cornell or Amherst, then Harvard or Amherst, then Northwestern or Amherst. Don't answer these questions if you aren't in any of the groups I mentioned, but pretty much all of the kids in my age group would choose any of those 3 in a heartbeat over Amherst. Like I said, not discrediting Amherst, it is still a top school and I would be very happy and proud if that is where I attend college(at the end of the day I'm accepting the reality that I'll be going somewhere worse than Amherst too at least for my freshman year, not that it is a bad thing). It is easily still a top 20 institution.
internet stats were from the schools respective websites as well as other sources like those listed

Im a senior in highschool and i would choose amherst over the other 3 in a heartbeat. Main reason, better professors in lesser class levels like intro to bio and econ 1. In big schools you will have a ta teach you those subjects instead of a professor. second reason, open door policy. No school as big as those three will have an open door policy on tutoring. Lastly, a chance to compete for national titles in tennis while chasing a pre med degree. Lets face it, harvard vanderbilt and northwestern wont win an ncaa championship any time soon, and the time commitment is wayyyy too much for most pre med students to get their best grades. Amherst however will give you a chance to win an ncaa title while chasing a real degree and getting a more intimate learning environment.

in a class of 2000 youre just a number, in a class of <800 you are a person.

I am not going to amherst next year, and I will be going a step below, but there are tons of schools i would pick 10 times over a big school with large class sizes.
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
internet stats were from the schools respective websites as well as other sources like those listed

Im a senior in highschool and i would choose amherst over the other 3 in a heartbeat. Main reason, better professors in lesser class levels like intro to bio and econ 1. In big schools you will have a ta teach you those subjects instead of a professor. second reason, open door policy. No school as big as those three will have an open door policy on tutoring. Lastly, a chance to compete for national titles in tennis while chasing a pre med degree. Lets face it, harvard vanderbilt and northwestern wont win an ncaa championship any time soon, and the time commitment is wayyyy too much for most pre med students to get their best grades. Amherst however will give you a chance to win an ncaa title while chasing a real degree and getting a more intimate learning environment.

in a class of 2000 youre just a number, in a class of <800 you are a person.

I am not going to amherst next year, and I will be going a step below, but there are tons of schools i would pick 10 times over a big school with large class sizes.
Better professors? Not necessarily. The Ivys naturally attract nobel winning world famous professors. Yes, a lot of this is in the higher up classes, but you will be taking these in freshman or latest end of sophomore year anyways. They don't just teach graduate either.

You are what you make yourself out to be. In a class of 800 you don't need to do anything to be involved, but in a class of 2000, there are many more people and if you want to be successful in life, you obviously need to be proactive. There are more connections to make(useful later in life obviously), bigger activities, and more opportunities. You won't get lost and you won't become just another number unless you want to become just another number. What? Do you strive to become the most famous kid in school? So what if some people don't know you, you won't get to know everyone in the world and there is no chance you'll get to know all 800 people in your class either.

I'm not going to argue any further, but if you really are a high school senior, you should know why a good majority of kids would choose Northwestern over Amherst. If you would choose Amherst over Harvard, I really don't know what to say other than you are probably one of the half dozen people in the world who would do that financial aid aside. People have different tastes so I understand why you would choose Amherst over Vandy and can sort of understand why you would choose Amherst over Northwestern.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Better professors? Not necessarily. The Ivys naturally attract nobel winning world famous professors. Yes, a lot of this is in the higher up classes, but you will be taking these in freshman or latest end of sophomore year anyways. They don't just teach graduate either.

You are what you make yourself out to be. In a class of 800 you don't need to do anything to be involved, but in a class of 2000, there are many more people and if you want to be successful in life, you obviously need to be proactive. There are more connections to make(useful later in life obviously), bigger activities, and more opportunities. You won't get lost and you won't become just another number unless you want to become just another number. What? Do you strive to become the most famous kid in school? So what if some people don't know you, you won't get to know everyone in the world and there is no chance you'll get to know all 800 people in your class either.

I'm not going to argue any further, but if you really are a high school senior, you should know why a good majority of kids would choose Northwestern over Amherst. If you would choose Amherst over Harvard, I really don't know what to say other than you are probably one of the half dozen people in the world who would do that financial aid aside. People have different tastes so I understand why you would choose Amherst over Vandy and can sort of understand why you would choose Amherst over Northwestern.
Well, harvard would be a good school for connections, but aside from that they don't have much more to offer than going to amherst. I would rather have proffessors who teach the class instead of their ta, even if it is a low level class. And vandy isn't my cup of tea, neither is northwestern. Id rather go to a school where teachers will make an effort to know me and get to a personal level rather than seeing me like a chore.

Harvard has great professors, but ever think about all the hate some ivys get? lots of bias in these schools, plus lets face it, we all know the type of people who are there basically look perfect on paper while amherst cares more about all around students with personalities. Not saying harvard students don't have them, but i would fit in better at amherst than harvard. as would more normal people who still excel academically.
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
Well, harvard would be a good school for connections, but aside from that they don't have much more to offer than going to amherst. I would rather have proffessors who teach the class instead of their ta, even if it is a low level class. And vandy isn't my cup of tea, neither is northwestern. Id rather go to a school where teachers will make an effort to know me and get to a personal level rather than seeing me like a chore.

Harvard has great professors, but ever think about all the hate some ivys get? lots of bias in these schools, plus lets face it, we all know the type of people who are there basically look perfect on paper while amherst cares more about all around students with personalities. Not saying harvard students don't have them, but i would fit in better at amherst than harvard. as would more normal people who still excel academically.
Well you do you, but the general consensus among most employers and students is that Northwestern/any top 15 school on us news>Amherst. Good for you if you are looking for an education, but I think there is a lot more to college than an education which any top 40 school would provide anyways. We always have to self study and can't be 100% dependent on professors either. Whether or not you look the Amherst environment is up to you, personally, I wouldn't like a class size as small as liberal arts colleges.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Well you do you, but the general consensus among most employers and students is that Northwestern/any top 15 school on us news>Amherst. Good for you if you are looking for an education, but I think there is a lot more to college than an education which any top 40 school would provide anyways. We always have to self study and can't be 100% dependent on professors either. Whether or not you look the Amherst environment is up to you, personally, I wouldn't like a class size as small as liberal arts colleges.
that's fair to each their own.

but amherst is definitely top 10 in the country if not top 5. And for pre med small class size is ideal. More one on one time during labs and hard classes; no more than 10 people in a class in 2nd year classes and up.
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
that's fair to each their own.

but amherst is definitely top 10 in the country if not top 5. And for pre med small class size is ideal. More one on one time during labs and hard classes; no more than 10 people in a class in 2nd year classes and up.
First of all, ever heard of HYPSM? Top 5 undisputed universities in the country. You simply can not argue with that. Now, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Columbia, Uchicago, UPenn, Caltech, and Brown. You simply can not argue that Amherst should be ranked higher than these 10 either. There are at least another 6-8 that I would add ahead of Amherst, but those slightly arguable. I hope you know, not everything is about class size or liberal arts colleges would be far more popular than they are now and frankly it is the only thing Amherst really offers more than the 10 schools I listed too
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
First of all, ever heard of HYPSM? Top 5 undisputed universities in the country. You simply can not argue with that. Now, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Columbia, Uchicago, UPenn, Caltech, and Brown. You simply can not argue that Amherst should be ranked higher than these 10 either. There are at least another 6-8 that I would add ahead of Amherst, but those slightly arguable. I hope you know, not everything is about class size or liberal arts colleges would be far more popular than they are now and frankly it is the only thing Amherst really offers more than the 10 schools I listed too
You can argue mit and Columbia as well as uchicago upenn cal tech and brown

Amherst offers more than just small class size, and no school can offer more than Amherst on your list

Amherst is top 10 for sure. I don't think many would disagree with this statement. And small liberal arts schools regularly pump out higher retention rates and graduation rates than state and large universities. And with higher placement into med school.
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
You can argue mit and Columbia as well as uchicago upenn cal tech and brown

Amherst offers more than just small class size, and no school can offer more than Amherst on your list

Amherst is top 10 for sure. I don't think many would disagree with this statement. And small liberal arts schools regularly pump out higher retention rates and graduation rates than state and large universities. And with higher placement into med school.
I just listed 10 schools that are for sure ahead of Amherst. Another 6-8 are arguable but a vast majority would say that at least 4 of them would be ranked higher than Amherst. Don't overrate Amherst. If you really are a senior, then just ask around. Most if not all of your fellow classmates would not share your view. Amherst is a top 20 school, not top 10.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
I just listed 10 schools that are for sure ahead of Amherst. Another 6-8 are arguable but a vast majority would say that at least 4 of them would be ranked higher than Amherst. Don't overrate Amherst. If you really are a senior, then just ask around. Most if not all of your fellow classmates would not share your view. Amherst is a top 20 school, not top 10.
Considering most of the kids in my class who even know of Amherst all applied. They're applications including Princeton And Harvard.

Ask people who know this stuff. If on every list given Amherst is top 10 then it is top 10. That's the way it works. The website I provided gave you a breakdown of its ranking among many different sources
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
Considering most of the kids in my class who even know of Amherst all applied. They're applications including Princeton And Harvard.

Ask people who know this stuff. If on every list given Amherst is top 10 then it is top 10. That's the way it works. The website I provided gave you a breakdown of its ranking among many different sources
Honestly if you rely on internet lists to judge for you, that is pretty damn sad. The only lists I've looked at is the us news rankings, the moment I saw the Forbes rankings I knew it was unreliable.

Obviously we all know of Amherst too and applying to a school is a world of a difference from accepting admission and actually going there, but then you look at it this way, all of our top kids and top kids in the surroundings schools(top 5%) go to the top 10 schools that I listed for the most part. All the kids that I know who go to HYPSM schools consider Amherst, but would never ever take Amherst over any of the top 10 schools that I listed.

I base my statements on what I know from employers that I know for higher up positions in wall st banks and pharmaceutical companies and the general consensus of people in my class(and yes, we do know what we are talking about especially being in a top private school with the surrounding public schools being as competitive if not more).
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
Considering most of the kids in my class who even know of Amherst all applied. They're applications including Princeton And Harvard.

Ask people who know this stuff. If on every list given Amherst is top 10 then it is top 10. That's the way it works. The website I provided gave you a breakdown of its ranking among many different sources
Checked the website you linked me. Reason forbes is unreliable? It is simply undeniable that Harvard is a top 2 school yet Forbes lists it at number 8. Also, US news lists Amherst as #2 in liberal arts rankings not overall rankings(which us news doesn't do anyways). Washington Monthly also only lists rankings by liberal arts or national colleges too. So no, it is not the way it works. Please look more into this stuff on your own rather than just googling information. #18/#20 out of liberal arts colleges only is horrible, which is why washington monthly is probably unreliable too since Amherst is more than definitely a top 3 liberal arts college.

Is there a reason you are so biased towards Amherst? I really don't believe you are a senior since you rate it so highly. If you are crazy or something I can see you saying it is top 10, but to claim that it could even be top 5...........Amherst must have paid you a billion.
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Checked the website you linked me. Reason forbes is unreliable? It is simply undeniable that Harvard is a top 2 school yet Forbes lists it at number 8. Also, US news lists Amherst as #2 in liberal arts rankings not overall rankings(which us news doesn't do anyways). Washington Monthly also only lists rankings by liberal arts or national colleges too. So no, it is not the way it works. Please look more into this stuff on your own rather than just googling information. #18/#20 out of liberal arts colleges only is horrible, which is why washington monthly is probably unreliable too since Amherst is more than definitely a top 3 liberal arts college.

Is there a reason you are so biased towards Amherst? I really don't believe you are a senior since you rate it so highly. If you are crazy or something I can see you saying it is top 10, but to claim that it could even be top 5...........Amherst must have paid you a billion.
I am a senior and i will be playing for a top d3 school next year, though not amherst.

and the people im talking about arent top 5% theyre top 20 in a class of 800. my rank however is not that high but rather in the 80s.

I am not biased towards amherst, but i truly dont see any benefit, especially in pre med, of going to one of those 10 schools where you wont have as intimate learning environments or as much attention.

where is the value in a ta teaching you compared to a real proffessor

http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/...thod-to-choose-between-amherst-and-yale/?_r=0

this person ended up choosing yale based on his personal visit and nothing more. but notice he didnt get accepted into washington university which isnt even an ivy

http://www.liberalartscolleges.com/...-league-schools-vs-top-liberal-arts-colleges/

this article, while biased towards liberal arts colleges, has some good numbers and comparison of top liberal arts vs ivy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ivies obviosly comparable if theyre "little ivies"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonma/2012/10/11/when-to-say-no-to-harvard/

also, notice the pros and cons for ivys vs liberal arts



for the most part i think theyre even and on par with ivys

it all depends on the student at this point, some succeed better in smaller classes and some want a big school feel. but as far as other schools go. there isnt much beyond ivys that you can really argue as better upenn is basically the same as amherst...umich has 33% acceptance rate and it is a large school. not really comparable
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
I am a senior and i will be playing for a top d3 school next year, though not amherst.

and the people im talking about arent top 5% theyre top 20 in a class of 800. my rank however is not that high but rather in the 80s.

I am not biased towards amherst, but i truly dont see any benefit, especially in pre med, of going to one of those 10 schools where you wont have as intimate learning environments or as much attention.

where is the value in a ta teaching you compared to a real proffessor

http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/...thod-to-choose-between-amherst-and-yale/?_r=0

this person ended up choosing yale based on his personal visit and nothing more. but notice he didnt get accepted into washington university which isnt even an ivy

http://www.liberalartscolleges.com/...-league-schools-vs-top-liberal-arts-colleges/

this article, while biased towards liberal arts colleges, has some good numbers and comparison of top liberal arts vs ivy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ivies obviosly comparable if theyre "little ivies"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonma/2012/10/11/when-to-say-no-to-harvard/

also, notice the pros and cons for ivys vs liberal arts



for the most part i think theyre even and on par with ivys

it all depends on the student at this point, some succeed better in smaller classes and some want a big school feel. but as far as other schools go. there isnt much beyond ivys that you can really argue as better upenn is basically the same as amherst...umich has 33% acceptance rate and it is a large school. not really comparable
Top 5% for the my school and surrounding schools means intel awards, top 10 national science Olympiad awards, starting own businesses, making well selling apps, doing whatever great medical things there are, along with the already perfect gpa and sat.

Okay, I can see why you would choose Amherst over some top 10 schools for pre-med(I wouldn't but I can see why). This doesn't mean that Amherst is a top 10 school still. WashU is a very good school. Top 20 in terms of prestige too, did I say that only Ivys were prestigious?

Okay, there are pros and cons, I'm not arguing for that. Liberal arts colleges and Amherst specifically fit certain people, but that does not mean at all that they deserve to be among the likes of HYPSM or the other top 10 schools I listed.

I don't think I ever compared Umich to Amherst either. There are no national and liberal arts combined lists, but if there were I obviously concede that Amherst is higher than Umich and a good amount harder to get into.
 

CaKid

New User
Faker, you seem to have lost track of the fact that this is a tennis website. Amherst has competed extremely well in the NCAA's each year. For those you mention in the top 5% of your school, I doubt very much that they are recruitable tennis players. There are just not that many hours in a day. Wash U fields a very good tennis team, but they have not managed to take home the prize, recently at least. The fact is there are very few top schools with excellent tennis teams. With each team recruiting no more than a few players and foreign players taking a significant number of spots on Ivy teams, playing for Amherst and other top D3 programs is a huge accomplishment. My son's friend plays for an Ivy but will likely never start, even as a senior. There are so many factors that go into the decision of where to go to college for tennis players who have dedicated thousands of hours to become recruitable. It is a very personal decision and one that should not be judged by outsiders.
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
Faker, you seem to have lost track of the fact that this is a tennis website. Amherst has competed extremely well in the NCAA's each year. For those you mention in the top 5% of your school, I doubt very much that they are recruitable tennis players. There are just not that many hours in a day. Wash U fields a very good tennis team, but they have not managed to take home the prize, recently at least. The fact is there are very few top schools with excellent tennis teams. With each team recruiting no more than a few players and foreign players taking a significant number of spots on Ivy teams, playing for Amherst and other top D3 programs is a huge accomplishment. My son's friend plays for an Ivy but will likely never start, even as a senior. There are so many factors that go into the decision of where to go to college for tennis players who have dedicated thousands of hours to become recruitable. It is a very personal decision and one that should not be judged by outsiders.
Yes, but we were purely speaking in terms of ranking and not tennis. In terms of tennis then sure Amherst might be a better choice than most top D1s because it is D3, but in my opinion(and most people's for that matter), OP overrated Amherst's ranking too much.

In no way was I judging the decisions of people getting recruited, but if you decided to go to Amherst over say a top 10 school with one of the factors being that Amherst is ranked higher....that is a misconception.
 

tennisbuck

Professional
I understand that rankings are not the be all end all. However I will say; it is hard to argue with the Forbes and US News rankings because they are based on facts not opinions. Look at the factors they consider; these things are important items to consider when picking a college.

The Ivy League schools are certainly above Amherst in prestige, but ultimately how much does that really matter? Or should it matter? Forbes rankings consider graduation rates, job placement, and class interestingness.

I don't think that "what is the school most senior would pick?" Should be a criteria for ranking colleges
 

Faker

Semi-Pro
I understand that rankings are not the be all end all. However I will say; it is hard to argue with the Forbes and US News rankings because they are based on facts not opinions. Look at the factors they consider; these things are important items to consider when picking a college.

The Ivy League schools are certainly above Amherst in prestige, but ultimately how much does that really matter? Or should it matter? Forbes rankings consider graduation rates, job placement, and class interestingness.

I don't think that "what is the school most senior would pick?" Should be a criteria for ranking colleges
US news rankings only rank by liberal arts and national, not both combined. I thought I already said this.

What school a senior would pick should not be a criteria, but our opinions are based on what we see and we are the ones that ultimately determine a college's prestige and such.

Looking at the Forbes ranking, if you had any knowledge of college admissions and other stuff college related you would know that it is completely off. There is no reason Swarthmore should be as high as 7, MIT as low as 10, Harvard as low as 6, Columbia as low as 15, Uchicago as low as 20, Pomona as high as 1 and the list goes on and on. Amherst is probably the best liberal arts college too, on par with williams yet it is ranked 4th out of liberal arts colleges on this list. US news has its flaws too but it is much more reliable than Forbes and many other websites.
 

tennisbuck

Professional
US news rankings only rank by liberal arts and national, not both combined. I thought I already said this.

What school a senior would pick should not be a criteria, but our opinions are based on what we see and we are the ones that ultimately determine a college's prestige and such.

Looking at the Forbes ranking, if you had any knowledge of college admissions and other stuff college related you would know that it is completely off. There is no reason Swarthmore should be as high as 7, MIT as low as 10, Harvard as low as 6, Columbia as low as 15, Uchicago as low as 20, Pomona as high as 1 and the list goes on and on. Amherst is probably the best liberal arts college too, on par with williams yet it is ranked 4th out of liberal arts colleges on this list. US news has its flaws too but it is much more reliable than Forbes and many other websites.
I don't know...these are your opinions that these rankings are off. What are you basing these statements on? "Amherst is probably the best LAC" where did you decide that? I feel like forbes bases their rankings on important traits of colleges that I stated above, traits more important than you thinking one school is better than the other.

"If I had any knowledge of college admissions"-okay thanks. Why can't you have a discussion without being demeaning?
 
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