Daniil Medvedev loses in the first round of consecutive tournaments

NoleFam said:
The thing is, don't say the field is strengthening because of upcoming ATG Alcaraz which is what I've been hearing this year and while Alcaraz and Medvedev were winning everything, then it's back to weak once Djokovic takes another Slam.
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Don't think anyone thought the titles Alcaraz of Medvedev won were strong, mostly I read people thinking Alcaraz may take advantage of the weak field himself as he matures. The field can strengthen and still be weak anyway. Of course if Alcaraz and Medvedev are in form than the field is stronger than if they're not. That should be obvious. I've been consistent in calling this a weak era since 2018 when Fed was on 3-4 ahead of Nadal and Djokovic hadn't even begun his comeback...
 
Most pro athletes lose their edge after making millions and signing lucrative endorsement deals.
Many pro athletes lose their edge after having kids and find they enjoy family life more than tour life.

It really is rare that an athlete reaches the top of their sport, makes millions, and still has the burning desire to work as hard as it takes and stays healthy long enough to stay on the top.
 
NatF said:
Don't think anyone thought the titles Alcaraz of Medvedev won were strong, mostly I read people thinking Alcaraz may take advantage of the weak field himself as he matures. The field can strengthen and still be weak anyway. Of course if Alcaraz and Medvedev are in form than the field is stronger than if they're not. That should be obvious. I've been consistent in calling this a weak era since 2018 when Fed was on 3-4 ahead of Nadal and Djokovic hadn't even begun his comeback...
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Well...some thought Djokovic stood no chance at RG against Alcaraz; now it's like a funeral around here and back to the weak era. People need to pick a side and stick with it.
 
NoleFam said:
Well...some thought Djokovic stood no chance at RG against Alcaraz; now it's like a funeral around here and back to the weak era. People need to pick a side and stick with it.
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:rolleyes: one does not preclude the other, you're finding contradictions that aren't there. Anyone who thought Djokovic stood no chance was being an idiot anyway.
 
NatF said:
:rolleyes: one does not preclude the other, you're finding contradictions that aren't there. Anyone who thought Djokovic stood no chance was being an idiot anyway.
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What contradiction exactly? So Djokovic supposedly won't and can't beat this guy but when he does and wins RG, it's because we're in a weak era. Lol. If anything, this is a contradiction. Didn't mean you of course.
 
NoleFam said:
What contradiction exactly? So Djokovic supposedly won't and can't beat this guy but when he does and wins RG, it's because we're in a weak era. Lol. If anything, this is a contradiction. Didn't mean you of course.
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People can think Alcaraz will beat Djokovic and it can still be a weak era. Anyway let's clarify, are you saying it's not a weak era?
 
After Rome, I figured this year would be his Big time new domination year considering his Rome results, back healthy, and he would finally kick Djoker to the curb down to #2. But GenUseless is GenUseless I guess. Lost cause along with SleepyPillTstsi
 
NatF said:
People can think Alcaraz will beat Djokovic and it can still be a weak era. Anyway let's clarify, are you saying it's not a weak era?
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Sounds like fence straddling to me. It's over for Djokovic, Alcaraz will take over, he has no chance in their RG match and then...back to weak era.
 
NoleFam said:
Sounds like fence straddling to me. It's over for Djokovic, Alcaraz will take over, he has no chance in their RG match and then...back to weak era.
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Does one decent rival make an era good? Nevermind that Djokovic as well as he manages his game is nowhere near his peak. You've already said that I wasn't someone making those comments so perhaps direct those strawman arguments elsewhere mate.

Again, do you think this is a weak era or not?
 
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NoleFam said:
The thing is, don't say the field is strengthening because of upcoming ATG Alcaraz which is what I've been hearing this year and while Alcaraz and Medvedev were winning everything, then it's back to weak once Djokovic takes another Slam.
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Alcaraz was hyped too early without fully earning it. That probably made him complacent.
 
NatF said:
Does one decent rival make an era good? Nevermind that Djokovic as well as he manages his game is nowhere near his peak. You've already said that I wasn't someone making those comments so perhaps direct those strawman arguments elsewhere mate.

Again, do you think this is a weak era or not?
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I didn't direct them to you. You replied to me! :-D

Dude, of course it's a weaker era or better yet, not a strong era. You know how I feel about saying "weak era".
 
NoleFam said:
What contradiction exactly? So Djokovic supposedly won't and can't beat this guy but when he does and wins RG, it's because we're in a weak era. Lol. If anything, this is a contradiction. Didn't mean you of course.
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Well, Alcaraz did cramp so it's not like Djokovic actually beat him fair and square through his own ability.
 
NoleFam said:
I didn't direct them to you. You replied to me! :-D

Dude, of course it's a weaker era or better yet, not a strong era. You know how I feel about saying "weak era".
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You can safely call it weak. Nobody born after 1987 has won AO, FO or Wimb.
 
mike danny said:
Well, Alcaraz did cramp so it's not like Djokovic actually beat him fair and square through his own ability.
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It doesn't really matter one way or another when the guy basically says his nerves got the best of him.
 
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NoleFam said:
It doensn't really matter one way or another when the guy basically says his nerves got the best of him.
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Yeah, not a good look.

I do think he's achieved quite a lot too early and that made him complacent. Definitely doesn't have the mentality of a champion for BO5 yet.
 
NoleFam said:
There's too much gloom and doom about this match. He's just 20. People are expecting too much because they are sick of Djokovic winning and got their hopes too high. Lol.
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Well, it was the biggest match of his career so far and after all the hype surrounding him, this wasn't a good look.

And I do think he's overachieved so far.
 
Post AO up until RG Medvedev went on a great run winning several tournaments so he was bound to come crashing down to earth at some stage and this isn't exactly the time of year when he performs his best anyway. I'm sure once the North American HC season gets underway he'll be absolutely fine.
 
NoleFam said:
I didn't direct them to you. You replied to me! :-D

Dude, of course it's a weaker era or better yet, not a strong era. You know how I feel about saying "weak era".
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I did but then you replied with the strawman mate :laughing:

Ok fair enough, I just find quite a few Novak fans won't even go as far as to call this a "weaker era". No need to discuss further as we're mostly on the same page here I think.
 
Well he won rome and that didn't help him for rg so maybe he'll just tank the grass warm ups to get a better result for Wimbledon.

But I'd be surprised if he made it past r4.
 
Kralingen said:
Tbh, Van Rijthoven was probably the 3rd or 4th best player on grass last season. He even gave Djokovic a tougher match than basically anyone had since 2019.
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2nd set of that match was great! TvR hung in well enough from the baseline to get looks at opening the court up with his slice and then just pounced. sadly has a NextGen forehand, questionable footwork and balance on backhand drives, and iffy returning as a result, so wasn't going to beat Djokovic, but still did well to back up his den Bosch win.
 
It's weird how he go to the opposite sides of spectrum, wins something where his chances/odds are low and loose some matches out of blue, as favorite. I like him as a person a lot but I was pised off when he messed up RG draw, depriving us of Nole - Carlos final
 
Martin J said:
Mannarino is no joke on grass and is quite comfortable on the surface, probably his best. Has won the title on grass already and his best slam results have come at Wimbledon, which is no surprise since his playing style, flat hitting off both wings, and and smooth movement make him efficient on the surface.
Could've been much worse for Medvedev, i.e. had he lost to a clay courter.
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If not for his injury, Mannarino would have defeated Federer in the first round of Wimbledon 2021.
Regarding Medvedev, is anyone surprised that the Russian only stands out on hard courts?
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DSH said:
If not for his injury, Mannarino would have defeated Federer in the first round of Wimbledon 2021.
Regarding Medvedev, is anyone surprised that the Russian only stands out on hard courts?
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Yes. Fed got lucky there, even though I enjoyed his last dance very much, so can't feel sorry for Mannarino. But we shouldn't ignore the truth.
No. The guy is literally a HC specialist and never really looked comfortable on the natural surfaces. His movement is hurting him the most I think.
 
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We were so high on him after Rome. A deep run at RG maybe was unrealistic, but was it with his draw? And since he doesn't hate grass like he hates clay, we thought the grass season might see him do relatively well. But so far it seems like his post-Rome results underscores the "joke" he and we have made at length - he's a hardcourt "specialist."
 
Martin J said:
Yes. Fed got lucky there, even though I enjoyed his last dance very much, so can't feel sorry for Mannarino. But we shouldn't ignore the truth.
No. The guy is literally a HC specialist and never really looked comfortable on the natural surfaces. His movement is hurting him the most I think.
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What is your forecast for Medvedev at Wimbledon and if you think Khachanov could be the second Russian player to reach the semifinals there after Safin in 2008, what do you think?
:unsure:
 
DSH said:
What is your forecast for Medvedev at Wimbledon and if you think Khachanov could be the second Russian player to reach the semifinals there after Safin in 2008, what do you think?
:unsure:
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It is hard to predict with these NewNextLost geners lol. I can see Med losing in the first round to a net-rusher or reaching a QF, depending on his draw. But I think a competent net player with a solid serve could exploit the holes in his game, his return position in particular.
If I have to put a bet, I would definitely go with Khachanov to go further, he's definitely a more solid grass player.

What do you think?
 
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So, basically he needs the solid surface and sure-footed nature of hard courts to cleanly push off and change directions - which is really the foundation of his movement, and in turn his movement is a big part of the foundation of his game. Clearly there are guys who have elite movement on clay and grass as well, but not Med? Even if he can move well on natural surfaces at times, if he's not mentally comfortable with it, he's compromised.
 
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