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ThisOne thing I’ve learned is to never underestimate how bad these next gen players can be
No matter how good they have seemed, it’s always been exposed as a false dawn
ThisOne thing I’ve learned is to never underestimate how bad these next gen players can be
No matter how good they have seemed, it’s always been exposed as a false dawn
Djokovic even if he beats Zed in 5 will not necessarily be tired but Med has literally breezed into the final so it will be hugeCause the energizer bunny will be... tired???? come Sunday?
It's really notMed's game is looking better than at AO21. I also expected more from FAA, folded like a cheap suit. Too bad.
Well if Djokovic reaches the final.Now take this tip and cash in.
I said in the match thread and stick too it. Next gen talent wise aren’t that worse than most gens(big 3 is different) in history for me.One thing I’ve learned is to never underestimate how bad these next gen players can be
No matter how good they have seemed, it’s always been exposed as a false dawn
I’d agree with you. If you remove the AO F his level is close to the same. He now needs to produce when it mattersIt's really not
What will be huge? Med spending less time on court? No one is able to live with Djoko physically. Med lost his legs after the first set at the AO. Even the former energizer bunny ran out of gas on his beloved clay.Djokovic even if he beats Zed in 5 will not necessarily be tired but Med has literally breezed into the final so it will be huge
I think his level was better going into the AO final and iirc, he beat better opponents to get there. Can't see him best Djoko on SundayI’d agree with you. If you remove the AO F his level is close to the same. He now needs to produce when it matters
Don’t worry he will demolish Zverev.Well if Djokovic reaches the final.
Med's playing WAY WORSE than he did in the AO. He is MUCH LESS aggressive and his forehand looks worse as well.Med’s form would make him 50/50 in the final and I feel if both make it the match be close but the reason people will not think the same is the AO F will always be on their mind and how he folded
I don't think so. I don't have the statistics in front of me, but the guy was running trains on the very best players in the world, not the Isners and Opelka's of the world. He's playing dead bodies all tournament and hitting out more than I remember him doing back then. The only thing going for him is better rest and he's been coming to the net more in response to the AO thrashing.Med's game is looking better than at AO21. I also expected more from FAA, folded like a cheap suit. Too bad.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion.Med's playing WAY WORSE than he did in the AO. He is MUCH LESS aggressive and his forehand looks worse as well.
I still think you are underrating him. The AO was nothing to do with fitness Med was a error machine. He is better than that and will prove it in the F. Is it enough to win ? Maybe not but it won’t be a blowoutWhat will be huge? Med spending less time on court? No one is able to live with Djoko physically. Med lost his legs after the first set at the AO. Even the former energizer bunny ran out of gas on his beloved clay.
No need to worry, your guy will lift the trophy come Sunday and then again at the AO
I agree his level is close to the same. The AO F this year is the biggest letdown in recent history. For god sake he went off 50/50 in the bookmakers in a final where the opponent was 8-0. I didn’t mind losing the final to the GOAT at the AO it’s the way he lost it.I don't agree with this. I don't have the statistics in front of me, but the guy was running trains on the very best players in the world, not the Isners and Opelka's of the world. He's playing dead bodies all tournament and hitting out more than I remember him doing back then. The only thing going for him is better rest and he's been coming to the net more in response to the AO thrashing.
I have Zverev/Djoker are 50/50, but @TennisFan3, @Hitman, and reflecting on his draw have me convinced Novak is going to return well and get this done in 3 or 4.It is very difficult to beat world #2 Med at both the Australian and U.S. Final.
This time, it will be much closer as Med will be rested and ready. Med has had a ridiculously soft draw with the early exit of Tsitsipas, PCB, Shapo and others. Med will likely have another easy match with FAA while Djoker battles five hours with Zverev.
But the first order of business is getting past Zverev.
Maybe not a blowout, but it's still a NID match imo. Which is why I am looking more forward to the women's final tbh. Anyhow, enjoy the semi. Gotta catch some sleep nowI still think you are underrating him. The AO was nothing to do with fitness Med was a error machine. He is better than that and will prove it in the F. Is it enough to win ? Maybe not but it won’t be a blowout
It’s hard to judge as he hasn’t had a challenge this far. Also Djokovic doesn’t look at good either. Med level at the AO this year was good enough to challenge Djokovic he just crumbled.Med's playing WAY WORSE than he did in the AO. He is MUCH LESS aggressive and his forehand looks worse as well.
ExactlyI don't think so. I don't have the statistics in front of me, but the guy was running trains on the very best players in the world, not the Isners and Opelka's of the world. He's playing dead bodies all tournament and hitting out more than I remember him doing back then. The only thing going for him is better rest and he's been coming to the net more in response to the AO thrashing.
I would agree with that except Novak vs Berritinni in set 2 to set 4 played his A game. That game is enough to beat both Zed and Med in straight sets. Let's see if Novak maintains that form.It’s hard to judge as he hasn’t had a challenge this far. Also Djokovic doesn’t look at good either. Med level at the AO this year was good enough to challenge Djokovic he just crumbled.
Yes that can happen again but I feel it’s going to be close
The bookmakers have it at 65/35. I think it’s about right. Zed has looked better than Djokovic this HC swing and based on that alone you could say he’s favourite but due to Djokovic always finding the extra gear plus his hard to finish off makes the odds about rightI have Zverev/Djoker are 50/50, but @TennisFan3, @Hitman, and reflecting on his draw have me convinced Novak is going to return well and get this done in 3 or 4.
Thank you for being courteous. It's rare to see civility on these boards.I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
The guy you are replying to is saying Med's AO level was way betterI agree his level is close to the same. The AO F this year is the biggest letdown in recent history. For god sake he went off 50/50 in the bookmakers in a final where the opponent was 8-0. I didn’t mind losing the final to the GOAT at the AO it’s the way he lost it.
Though people are basing him on that and think it will happen agains but it won’t
Well that’s why Djokovic will be favourite he seems to have a extra level when needed. The Berrettini match from set 2 is the level I expect this late and that will probably be good enough to win the tournament, but if he plays like the 1st then he could be in troubldI would agree with that except Novak vs Berritinni in set 2 to set 4 played his A game. That game is enough to beat both Zed and Med in straight sets. Let's see if Novak maintains that form.
Because if he does then Zed and Med won't have a say in the outcome.
He truly was playing some great tennis. Some of his 2011/2015 hallmark moves were there, paired with a better serve and smarter play. If he plays at his current peak level, Djokovic will be unbeatable.I would agree with that except Novak vs Berritinni in set 2 to set 4 played his A game. That game is enough to beat both Zed and Med in straight sets. Let's see if Novak maintains that form.
Because if he does then Zed and Med won't have a say in the outcome.
Actually he can beat him. Med BO3 against Djokovic is great. He had the worst performance in a GS F at the AO but that doesn’t mean it will happen here. Also Djokovic record here is nowhere near the AOThe guy you are replying to is saying Med's AO level was way better
Look, I get it. Your guy is on the verge of history and you're nervous. But the opponent's can't beat him, so relax. He will get five in a row in 5 months time
Yeah that sounds right. Novak sort of played the best combination of ppl en route to SF...clean and aggressive hitting of Kei, hostile crowd and quirky consistency of Brooksby, and huge serve and forehand of Berry. The only thing that remains to be seen is if he can apply what he learned in those matches into one cohesive performance, and if he has the energy.The bookmakers have it at 65/35. I think it’s about right. Zed has looked better than Djokovic this HC swing and based on that alone you could say he’s favourite but due to Djokovic always finding the extra gear plus his hard to finish off makes the odds about right
Exactly. I was worried after the 1st against Matteo but after that was a great performance. Zed has sets where he peaks but also has ones where he is awful. Against Harris the 1st was terrible yet Harris just wouldn’t take it when the 2nd was top level.Yeah that sounds right. Novak sort of played the best combination of ppl en route to SF...clean and aggressive hitting of Kei, hostile crowd and quirky consistency of Brooksby, and huge serve and forehand of Berry. The only thing that remains to be seen is if he can apply what he learned in those matches into one cohesive performance, and if he has the energy.
To be fair, the clueless Vamos Rafa offers no argument other than desperation and insecurity, so it's hard not to attack himThank you for being courteous. It's rare to see civility on these boards.
As soon as you disagree with someone's opinion, people here ATTACK the poster and not the argument.
Me too. I wrote him off, even on the boards, after it. I said he's not gonna have energy to beat Zverev now. I'm still weary of it and disgusted with his performance in that first set (77 mins?!). I just have to imagine he knows something we don't, despite having a lot more cumulative miles than traveling the long roads at AO and French. It's evident in the way he's talking in his pressers.Exactly. I was worried after the 1st against Matteo but after that was a great performance. Zed has sets where he peaks but also has ones where he is awful. Against Harris the 1st was terrible yet Harris just wouldn’t take it when the 2nd was top level.
If Zed wants to start the 1st like he did against Harris he will be a set down and in serious trouble
This is just not true. It is your belief but that doesn't make it true. Medvedev can definitely defeat Djokovic on Sunday if that is his opponent. But his opponent will be Zverev.
See even the Olympics against Zverev he was *3-2 up in the 2nd cruising and then Zverev got much better and Djokovic dropped.Me too. I wrote him off, even on the boards, after it. I said he's not gonna have energy to beat Zverev now. I'm still weary of it and disgusted with his performance in that first set. I just have to imagine he knows something we don't, despite having a lot more cumulative miles than long roads in AO and French. It's evident in the way he's talking in his pressers.
Everyone can theoretically beat everyone. Djoko is the most clutch player in recent memory. No way he's losing to Medvedev - a guy who's laid an egg for more than 2 sets of his first slam final and all 3 sets in his 2nd slam final. What's Medvedev gonna hurt Djokovic with in best of five on the cusp of history?Actually he can beat him. Med BO3 against Djokovic is great. He had the worst performance in a GS F at the AO but that doesn’t mean it will happen here. Also Djokovic record here is nowhere near the AO
First serve will be hit around 7.10FAA the choker got blown out by Med. Match long over.
Does Djoker match start exactly at 7:00 p.m. NYC time?
Or will there be a delay?
This is about as unbiased of an indictment of Vamos Ralph as you're gonna get, in case any of you think those of us calling him out are salty Djoker fans. Saying Zverev or Medvedev is gonna win isn't the issue.Well considering my predictions are right 50x more often than yours, my belief does make it true. What I say is right, what you say is wrong. And for the record I can't stand any of Djokovic, Medvedev, or Zverev so I have no horse in this race. On a personal level they are 3 deplorables for me.
**** Felix. It'll probably be 10 mins after.FAA the choker got blown out by Med. Match long over.
Does Djoker match start exactly at 7:00 p.m. NYC time?
Or will there be a delay?
Everyone can theoretically beat everyone. Djoko is the most clutch player in recent memory. No way he's losing to Medvedev - a guy who's laid an egg for more than 2 sets of his first slam final and all 3 sets in his 2nd slam final. What's Medvedev gonna hurt Djokovic with in best of five on the cusp of history?
If Djoko loses, it's because the moment somehow got to him, which I very much doubt it will.
I would've said the same thing at AO when Novak spent 3.5-4 more hours on court than Medvedev with an abdominal strain, and you saw what happened. I'll root for him to win if Zverev beats Novak...while I cry myself to sleep.Medvedev is a big favorite for the title right now. FRESH and in GREAT FORM.
Med actually has loads to hurt Djokovic. I’m a huge Djokovic fan but players like Med, RBA and Busta are his least favourite matches. Djokovic is the best at using others pace and would prefer a big hitter than a solid wall. Djokovic does have the mental hold over next gen in best of 5 and seems to have better fitness but Med is still always tough for himEveryone can theoretically beat everyone. Djoko is the most clutch player in recent memory. No way he's losing to Medvedev - a guy who's laid an egg for more than 2 sets of his first slam final and all 3 sets in his 2nd slam final. What's Medvedev gonna hurt Djokovic with in best of five on the cusp of history?
If Djoko loses, it's because the moment somehow got to him, which I very much doubt it will.
Sorry to be the one to tell you that Djok won’t quite have enough on Sunday.Med actually has loads to hurt Djokovic. I’m a huge Djokovic fan but players like Med, RBA and Busta are his least favourite matches. Djokovic is the best at using others pace and would prefer a big hitter than a solid wall. Djokovic does have the mental hold over next gen in best of 5 and seems to have better fitness but Med is still always tough for him
And when was more hours ever a problem for Djoko? Very, very seldom. Med has to play perfect for 3+ hours to have a chance come Sunday and even that will most likely not be enough.It is called incremental progress. Med is 25 years old. Has lost two slam finals when younger. Will be much closer next time. That has been the typical progression for the last 50 years of tennis history... And Djoker, while supremely fit, is not getting any younger. Has played many more hours than Med.
The idea is to peak at the right time. Perhaps that outstanding form will show up.if Sasha can't beat him today,,, What makes you think Daniil can beat him ?
And when was more hours ever a problem for Djoko? Very, very seldom
As I said I’m one fan who is very worried about Med and feel he could easily do Djokovic but until he loses BO5 it’s hard to predictSorry to be the one to tell you that Djok won’t quite have enough on Sunday.
Mental hold in best of five? Sure. " “Playing the young guys, I would prefer best of 5 to best of 3. I feel I am fit, I have more experience. It doesn’t guarantee me the win, but I feel like I’m in a better position. The more it goes, the more I feel I am able to wear them down,” the Serb concluded. "Med actually has loads to hurt Djokovic. I’m a huge Djokovic fan but players like Med, RBA and Busta are his least favourite matches. Djokovic is the best at using others pace and would prefer a big hitter than a solid wall. Djokovic does have the mental hold over next gen in best of 5 and seems to have better fitness but Med is still always tough for him
Mental hold in best of five? Sure. " “Playing the young guys, I would prefer best of 5 to best of 3. I feel I am fit, I have more experience. It doesn’t guarantee me the win, but I feel like I’m in a better position. The more it goes, the more I feel I am able to wear them down,” the Serb concluded. "
Let me ask you this: Do you expect Med to be able to beat Djoko in straights? I suppose not.
In 4? That's essentially the only way he can win, cause he ain't winning the 5th.
2-7 is Med's record in the 5th. Djoko's 35-10 and iirc, he's won the last 12+ 5th sets, he's played. Last defeat is probably to Stan the Man at the AO 14 (didn't look it up, but don't think I'm wrong). Stats people - help please
Zed and Mac? I thought we were talking about the 25 year old Med. Zed's on track yeah, though he's major progress has been extremely slow compared to his Masters level.Tokyo collapse was almost certainly fatigue. Zverev raised his level but that still does not fully explain Tokyo. Djoker himself said he was physically exhausted after Tokyo. Along with injuries. Djoker also looked fatigued against Brooksby.
Mac lost his first couple of SF and F major appearances over two to three years. So Zed is pretty much on track to break through.
Thanks Hitman, Thiem can stay with him physically. Or could. But the last one before that, wasn't that Stanimal in AO 14? Or did he lose a 5-setter in his walkabout years?Thiem beat Djokovic last in five sets at RG 2019.
That’s all well at good but them stats about Djokovic are over his whole career and Medvedev is fresh plus has beat Djokovic plenty of times. Yes BO5 benefits Djokovic but you are playing it down like it’s going to be a dead cert. Djokovic will be favourite but it be a hard matchMental hold in best of five? Sure. " “Playing the young guys, I would prefer best of 5 to best of 3. I feel I am fit, I have more experience. It doesn’t guarantee me the win, but I feel like I’m in a better position. The more it goes, the more I feel I am able to wear them down,” the Serb concluded. "
Let me ask you this: Do you expect Med to be able to beat Djoko in straights? I suppose not.
In 4? That's essentially the only way he can win, cause he ain't winning the 5th.
2-7 is Med's record in the 5th. Djoko's 35-10 and iirc, he's won the last 12+ 5th sets, he's played. Last defeat is probably to Stan the Man at the AO 14 (didn't look it up, but don't think I'm wrong). Stats people - help please