Darren Cahill - Fed Would Not Have Beaten Rafa
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ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Give me a break.People are giving Nadal too much credit here.I get it that he won wimbledon last year but u dont know wat the next year would have been like.Nadal could have gotten picked off.I still would have my money on the guy that has 6 wimbledon titles to the one that has 1.
Pwned
Hall of Fame
The match, had Nadal made it to the final, would have been 100% different. You can't extrapolate Federer's play from today and say he would have lost against someone else. The tempo, shot selection, rallies, and everything else that encompass a match would have been different resulting in a completely different performance.
AllDownTheLine
Rookie
Total waste of brain power. There are too many variables to be able to compare Roger's play against a Roddick to Nadal who has his own issues. Maybe Nadal could have an off day. I've actually seen it happen. Maybe Roddick was doing things that affected Roger's play that Nadal doesn't do.
It's a dumb *** comment from a guy searching for something to say when the camera's on him.
JennyS
Hall of Fame
Yeah I know. With this mindset it's like saying if player A beats player B and player B beats player C then player A will be player C. Not necessarily!
Let's just consider this: Nadal recently played a 3 set match that took 4 hours. Federer and Roddick played to 16-14 in the fifth and played a match that was barely longer. So everything would be different.
What crap!
JennyS
Hall of Fame
Yeah Nadal certainly wouldn't have hit 27 aces, 74 winners and averaged 127 mph on serve.
NikeWilson
Semi-Pro
Nadal owns Fed.
plain and simple.
Roddick pushed Fed to 5 sets.
Nadal would've schooled Roddick and Federer today.
plain and simple.
Roddick pushed Fed to 5 sets.
Nadal would've schooled Roddick and Federer today.
Rhino
Legend
You mean the way Federer straight setted Soderling...? The guy that destroyed Nadal on his favorite surface...?
JennyS
Hall of Fame
Again those numbers mean nothing since Federer did not play Nadal today.
Total NON-issue. These experts are no better than people around here. It's just a total non-item. it doesn't exist. Nadal is injured and would get beaten by Wawrinka and Hewitt the way he was playing. A fit Nadal always stands a chance though. Against today's Federer he's had a real good one. However, It would all have been different. The Federer of the rest of the tournament would not be the underdog to Nadal really I think.
Fedex
Legend
Unfair to Roddick. I think Fed did play to his usual brilliant standard just that Roddick's style neutralised him in the same way Roddick did to Murray.
Murray claimed he'd played well against Roddick. And I think he did.
Roddick was outstanding today and should have won against an on form Fed.
Feel gutted for Roddick.
Magnificent!
New User
Honest Federer fans know Nadal would have won today if he was in the final, but he wasn't. Nadal would have won the French too if he wasn't injured. Credit to Nadal that he didn't even mention his injury. Amazing how one player's injury can determine the sucess of anothers.
Sampras had more injuries in his career than Federer, phalasemia too. If Sampras won more major titles than Federer because Federer was more injury prone, who would the experts say was the GOAT?
Sampras had more injuries in his career than Federer, phalasemia too. If Sampras won more major titles than Federer because Federer was more injury prone, who would the experts say was the GOAT?
wangs78
Legend
Not sure how Andy gave the match to Roger when Roger hit more winners, including 50 aces. More like Roger gave the first set to Andy, Andy gave the 2nd set to Roger and then after that it was a tight battle.
wangs78
Legend
Apart from the aces, Roger definitely didn't play his A game today. I think he played at B level. There were no BH's down the line or any really amazing inside out FHs, etc. He did have some good shots but not that many on important points. Fortunately, his serve bailed him out big time. Nothing wrong with that, considering Sampras' serve bailed him out a heckuva lot during his career.
yes maybe but still his B level was enough for him to hit 223 winners and just 38 errors:roll:
roysid
Legend
It was probably B game. But remember that he is approaching 28. He won't have that fluidity of earlier years.
bottom line is Federer at 28 still made the finals in the First 3 slams and won 2 right now
no he won't but that's the reason why imo he has worked on his serve to cut down on the running and his serve let him down at Wimbledon last year
I mean 50 aces in one single match for Federer whose not a big serving Roddick;incredible:shock:
P_Agony
Banned
Rafa last year played perfect tennis. He can't play perfect tennis every time. Federer played better than he did last year I think, he was very clutch when he had to.
However, what worries me the most about Fed's game is his returns. From the best reutrner in the game he turned into one of the worst. He blew many chances today on Roddick's 2nd serve.
However, what worries me the most about Fed's game is his returns. From the best reutrner in the game he turned into one of the worst. He blew many chances today on Roddick's 2nd serve.
deltox
Hall of Fame
fed might well have lost to rafa but without 50 aces against him today roddick would have destroyed any lesser server in 3 straight easy sets
again i just dont see nadal beating roddick even if he was in the draw. roddick and grass is a nasty combination when he is on, and this tourney he was on most of the time.
again i just dont see nadal beating roddick even if he was in the draw. roddick and grass is a nasty combination when he is on, and this tourney he was on most of the time.
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icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I know. I wanted to bang my head every time I saw fed return roddick's serve.
Salsa_Lover
Rookie
If my grandmother hasn't died, she'd be alive.
How was he clutch? Until that last game I had a hardtime finding rallies won by Federer at 15-30, 30 all, etc. He was always down in the Roddick service game. He surely has lost his spark on the return against Andy, and a lot of other players for that matter. i thought Federer was pretty passive from the baseline and he didn't hit his backhand as well as he's done. His serve has never been better though and if that keeps improving at this rate, he cna keep competing into his thirties. Still very happy a B-game federer won a Slam today
The-Champ
Legend
and I bet last year you put your money on the guy that had 5 wimbledon titles against the guy that had 0?.
Truth is Rafa didn't participate...we'd never know what could've happened. Cahill like everyone here is just speculating.
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TennisandMusic
Guest
Do you actually believe this? Why didn't he do that last year then when Nadal SHOULD have won in 3 and definitely 4? The sentiment in your post is absolutely absurd. The H2H proves that. Slam record is 6-2 in favor of "Nads" as well.
To everyone else...
Federer played very poorly today. I can't BELIEVE the stuff Roddick was letting him get away with. On the other hand Roddick wasn't playing that great either. Way too many errors from both guys, and Federer is just able to hit so many winners against Roddick because he is so slow footed. I don't think there are many other ATP players you can hit a winner on by hitting the space between the sideline, and center service line with a ground stroke that literally lands inside the service box, while your opponent is standing on the center service line, and he can't get to it. That kinda thing is just inexcusable and would have been crushed. That's pretty much a slow rally shot for almost anyone else.
However, in the end Federer won, and speculating with confidence on this or that is a little silly. I personally do think a healthy Nadal would have creamed him seeing how he played, and I think Murray playing well would have beaten him too. It was just an ugly match from Federer overall. I mean part way through the match I saw the Federer fans posting some ridiculous stuff...comments about how they are going to cry, how its total BS, etc etc...the emotional volatility of such fans is a bit worrying to see. It's a tennis match. If he wins or loses it changes nothing in your life. But now that he wins the bravado and smugness comes out again. Much like Federer himself I suppose (see acceptance speech), but it is hardly an admirable trait. I would suggest everyone on both sides just cool it.
The only thing I took away from this match personally is that I felt bad for Roddick. For all his lame behavior on court, the guy does work his rear off and having to sit there and listen to Federer talk about how great he is in all these matches must be extremely frustrating. It would be nice to see him win at least one Wimbledon just because of how hard he works to get to these points, but that door might be closing fast. Again, almost no way he beats a healthy Nadal, and next year I would assume Murray and Djokovic will be better, along with who knows who else. So it will be increasingly tough for him. Must be difficult.
P_Agony
Banned
How was he clutch? Until that last game I had a hardtime finding rallies won by Federer at 15-30, 30 all, etc. He was always down in the Roddick service game. He surely has lost his spark on the return against Andy, and a lot of other players for that matter. i thought Federer was pretty passive from the baseline and he didn't hit his backhand as well as he's done. His serve has never been better though and if that keeps improving at this rate, he cna keep competing into his thirties. Still very happy a B-game federer won a Slam today
He was clutch because he didn't get broken when it mattered, and Roddick eventually did. I think this match was also the proof that Fed has the best serve in men's tennis today.
kanamit
Hall of Fame
He also said that Mardy Fish was going to beat Djokovic at Wimbledon this year. :roll:
koopa_troopa
Rookie
I don't understand why people assume players are going to play at 100%. Nadal may have made the final at Wimbledon. He may have played out of his mind again and won. We don't know. Everyone also assumed that Nadal would be in the final at the French Open.
The problem is we have been blessed to watch Federer and Nadal, two of the most consistent talents evers. Before them, how many times did #1 and #2 meet in the final? Rarely. Now everyone assumes that Federer will be in the final of every GS and Nadal will make every semifinal or final. These players are not going to be playing at this level forever.
The problem is we have been blessed to watch Federer and Nadal, two of the most consistent talents evers. Before them, how many times did #1 and #2 meet in the final? Rarely. Now everyone assumes that Federer will be in the final of every GS and Nadal will make every semifinal or final. These players are not going to be playing at this level forever.
Roddick just about did it, he's a top player.
Roddick is just too one dimensional and that makes it easy for Fed to handle him. On the other hand, a healthy Nadal or Andy Murray would have probably beaten Federer.
As for Federer's return game, it's my belief that his return game has always sucked. From what I can recall, he has been blocking back (or slicing back) returns for years now. However, in the past, he was fast enough to get back into a rally after hitting a defensive return but now he is just not that athletic anymore. I honestly believe that Fed has owned Roddick for years because Roddick doesn't know how to take advantage of a blocked return; he needs to punish Fed for making such a lame return by coming to the net more and volleying those floating returns. It really is a shame that Roddick lost today because I think he's mentally not going to recover.
As for Federer's return game, it's my belief that his return game has always sucked. From what I can recall, he has been blocking back (or slicing back) returns for years now. However, in the past, he was fast enough to get back into a rally after hitting a defensive return but now he is just not that athletic anymore. I honestly believe that Fed has owned Roddick for years because Roddick doesn't know how to take advantage of a blocked return; he needs to punish Fed for making such a lame return by coming to the net more and volleying those floating returns. It really is a shame that Roddick lost today because I think he's mentally not going to recover.
The-Champ
Legend
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Roddick has won a slam.
emerckx53
Semi-Pro
Well said. Every match is different...Roger did not play his best today (except his serve game) he couldn't attack or counterpunch...he had to play a defensive game...BIG CREDIT TO RODDICK HE HAS CHANGED SEVERAL THINGS IN HIS GAME FOR THE BETTER....THAT IS HARD TO DO...I am a Fed fan and have always thought Roddick gets waaaaay to much stick around here....he may never play like that again...if Roddick had played like that in other finals he would have a couple more slams...
The-Champ
Legend
Yes.. I agree that Roddick could have taken out Nadal today at that level.
emerckx53
Semi-Pro
a. Murray is not in Fed's class yet and won't be
b. Nadal would not have won this tournament
c. Ever try returning a 125-140mph serve on grass for 4 hours?
Give these guys a little more credit...
emerckx53
Semi-Pro
Well said.
So why is it so frustrating? Isn't Roger the only guy who's ever beaten Rafa in a slam final too? Just shows how much better those two are than the rest.
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hokiebp10
Guest
how can u guys call cahill an idiot hes one of the greatest coaches of all time
I disagree; Fed is the classic example of how his opponent can get inside his head. Case in point, Nadal. I believe that the big reason Fed lost last year's Wimby final and this year's AO final is because Nadal got inside his head. And guess what, Murray has done the same thing to him by beating him multiple times in the past year. Murray's record against Fed speaks for itself.
How do you know? I think Fed was unlucky to have lost last year but this year might have been easier for Nadal. Notice, I said "might" because no one really knows.
I was just stating facts that I believe are true, which is, Federer's return game has always sucked. The difference is that he's not young enough anymore to chip a return back and still take over a point. Having said that, Fed still won today so kudos to him.
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