Davis Cup Drama: Bergs knocks Garin to the ground

Br0, the slow-mo shows the force of impact was quite strong, that dude is big and coming in unrestrained and caught him shoulder to cheek. Laid him flat.

I can't imagine why there was not a longer medical attention given, ice and wellness check in general. Refere will see this video for a long time to come.

I agree with the player, he tells the supervisor that he doesn't have the balls to default the other player but he is going to default him.
Are we watching the same video? If a person gets knocked down from a blow hitting them horizontally they're going to fall back/away from the person doing the knocking. He fell straight down, soccer flop style. The fall was clearly unnecessarily added for drama.

And where is the photo of his swollen eye everyone keeps talking about? The photo in the OP just show redness.
 

jxs653

Professional
He could've played and won rather than donating a match like that.

Oops he was just broken at 5:5 third set. That explains why he was so adamant insisting disqualifying the opponent.
 
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D-Lite

Hall of Fame
Are we watching the same video? If a person gets knocked down from a blow hitting them horizontally they're going to fall back/away from the person doing the knocking. He fell straight down, soccer flop style. The fall was clearly unnecessarily added for drama.

And where is the photo of his swollen eye everyone keeps talking about? The photo in the OP just show redness.
Was there even a red mark left on the lines woman when Djokovic hit her throat with the ball? Regardless Bergs made more than enough contact with Garín to warrant a DQ and it seems the umpire didn't want to deal with the fallout of having the Belgian fans on his back. The ITF are trying to spin this that it was a unique event and that all things were considered but clearly not. The final doubles tie should have been played and if it can't be then Belgium should be DQ'd.
 
Was there even a red mark left on the lines woman when Djokovic hit her throat with the ball? Regardless Bergs made more than enough contact with Garín to warrant a DQ and it seems the umpire didn't want to deal with the fallout of having the Belgian fans on his back. The ITF are trying to spin this that it was a unique event and that all things were considered but clearly not. The final doubles tie should have been played and if it can't be then Belgium should be DQ'd.
I do agree, even with the fake fall, the hit was probably hard enough to warrant a DQ.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Gotta let this go. It wasn’t unforgivable. She received a violation for verbal abuse due to berating the umpire for a couple of minutes. Nothing more, nothing less.

Which should probably be a penalty...doesn't seem to be applied in a lot of cases, though:

 

JustMy2Cents

Hall of Fame
Garin still venting on his insta

Cristian Garin again on Instagram. “I still cannot believe we got disqualified”. They weren’t disqualified, btw. But we got his point. “Years of loving this sport and I’ve never thought I would live something like what happened”.

RARE scenes
It’s a very rare scene to see an umpire/supervisor/referee give a press conference, but it happened here. Referee and the chair umpire were told by the tie’s doctor that Garin was ready to play. Chile’s captain Nico Massu says the doctor “wasn’t neutral”.

Carlos Ramos, the ITF Referee for this tie, explains his decision of not disqualifying Zizou Bergs. “It was a very unfortunate accident”.
 
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Zardoz7/12

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jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
These guys track 120+ mph balls it wasn’t an accident. Easy suspension call. Tennis isn’t a contact sport and Garin had the right of way. Walking to a changeover is normal. Running and ramming your shoulder into someone’s head is not. Pretty simple to punish the one who is wrong.
Are you arguing this was intentional because Bergs definitely saw Garin? How come Garin looked completely oblivious and made no apparent effort to dodge this?

They both completely misjudged how close they were to each other
 

aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
Are you arguing this was intentional because Bergs definitely saw Garin? How come Garin looked completely oblivious and made no apparent effort to dodge this?

They both completely misjudged how close they were to each other
Garin put his arm up moments before contact, I think he was expecting a bump but not the full tackle LOL

Bergs also held onto Garin's shirt. It may well be the case that both players were expecting contact and decided to ignore each other. What a pair of idiots
 

heavyD

Professional
Looked accidental to me but Garin was definitely playing it up in hopes of having the match handed to him. At the end of the day if the doctor clears a player to play and he doesn't go back into the match then I have no issue with the outcome.
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
Here's the thing: Bergs was being an idiot for that celebration and should of been DQ.

Also, Garin was acting like a big baby when he got the Time violation, point and game penalty.

Was it an accident? Yes

Was it so bad to the point where Garin couldn't play? Don't think so.
 

jm1972

Semi-Pro
Here's the thing: Bergs was being an idiot for that celebration and should of been DQ.

Also, Garin was acting like a big baby when he got the Time violation, point and game penalty.

Was it an accident? Yes

Was it so bad to the point where Garin couldn't play? Don't think so.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter Garin flopped, it doesn't matter if Garin could still play. This is tennis and that's a clear DQ.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Here's the thing: Bergs was being an idiot for that celebration and should of been DQ.

Also, Garin was acting like a big baby when he got the Time violation, point and game penalty.

Was it an accident? Yes

Was it so bad to the point where Garin couldn't play? Don't think so.
Why should Garin be expected to play? Bergs should be DQd. Any other outcome is unacceptable.

I'm not gonna finish a ****ing tennis match where my opponent is allowed to knock me off my feet.
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
Why should Garin be expected to play? Bergs should be DQd. Any other outcome is unacceptable.

I'm not gonna finish a ****ing tennis match where my opponent is allowed to knock me off my feet.
Yes it should of been a DQ I agree with you.

When Empires makes mistake as big as this, you have to accept it and move on no matter how difficult the circumstances are.

It's not like tomorrow they will revert the decision and give Garin a W instead of Bergs.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
It is really hard to be a fan of tennis sometimes.

Not a single sport out there on the planet would have an issue with this except maybe golf. Not a single player would not continue the match. Tennis needs to learn to embrace the passion, competition, and gutsiness other sports show but tennis does not.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
If this was Kyrgios or even Djokovic this would have been a DQ. Should have been a DQ.

Garin is a jerk but cmon guys this isn't a hard decision.
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
His eye was literally swollen, how was he expected to play on? He got shoulder charged and knocked to the ground and then gets penalized for his opponent being reckless?

Insanity.
lol. He should start giving tennis lessons at this point and move on from competitive play. His eyes was no swollen, and he was barely touched. Even if it was and it hurt, he should be angry and go out there and try to win.

This was an uncontrolled player bumping into a player who is a diva and flopped.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
What's even remotely bad about what Garin does?
Garin was 100% in the right on this particular instance, but I'm not a fan of his on-court behavior in general. I'm just saying that even though I don't like the player, this call is pretty clear.

 

reaper

Legend
The only decision that needs to be made is whether Garin's ability to compete is impaired in any way. He had swelling around the eye at the point of contact. Therefore a DQ against his opponent.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
This is one of the most bizarre tennis incidents I've ever seen...from clips, I didn't watch the match.

Bergs's bump (thump, etc) appeared to be accidental, not malicious, but still he was at fault for causing the collision. Unfortunate or not, if his recklessness caused a situation where Garin could not continue, then Bergs should have been DQd.

I really can't determine whether Garin could've continued or be expected to continue. Special circumstances: Perhaps, they could've given him more time to settle in and treat any injury.

As for Ramos, he was put in a very tough position. This was so much different than Serena at USO18, when she purposely, willfully went on an ugly tirade questioning his integrity in front of the world. One can question his judgment in both difficult situations, but they simply aren't comparable.

Me? He was correct in Serena- Osaka. Here? I'm not so sure. Leaning against.
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
His eye was literally swollen, how was he expected to play on?
As others have said, his eye was a little red, but not swollen.

And anyone who has applied ice to any part of their body can tell you that it will make that part turn red, just like that, after 5 minutes.
Idk man. I think there was a bit of gamesmanship from garin. The swipe to the face was bad sure. But the whole falling down, I don’t buy it. Looks like classic flopping in soccer. Sure default for the physical contact at all, but I don’t think that contact laid him out, I think he let himself fall down.
Yep, said this in another thread. Watch any South American soccer/football team or player, and you see this like 5 times a game.

The replay shows that the contact wasn't bad at all. I've seen (and personally endured) much worse.

Bergs hit Garin's face near the eye which turned red.
See above. Just put ice on your face and it will turn red like that. Means nothing.

He's a complete idiot for running into him, but that was a dive only a player from a footballing nation could execute.
Exactly. See above. This was 100% a guy exaggerating in order to get a decision from the referee/umpire. Glad it didn't work.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Injuring someone, even if accidental, in a non conctact sport is a ****ing DQ.
One of the most experienced umpires in tennis disagrees with you. He correctly applied the rules, and it was his judgement that this didn't warrant a DQ

The rules never mandated an automatic DQ for this, despite tennis fans and commentators alike believing they do
Like how do you even start blaming Garin here. Unbelievable levels of victim blaming.
I blame Garin for flopping and exaggerating the injury, in an effort to get his opponent disqualified. He then acts like a baby and refuses to play

That was intentional and calculated, which is more reprehensible than accidentally bumping into someone. At least in my eyes
 
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jxs653

Professional
Is it possible that the aggression (whether it is with ball, racquet, physical infliction etc.) rule is less stricly applied between players than against fan/ball person/line judge/umpire? Maybe, say, if it was ball person he bumped into there would've been immediate announcement of DQ but becasue it was player they viewed it differently? Sometimes players intentionally hit opponent and it's seen OK anyway.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
Is it possible that the aggression (whether it is with ball, racquet, physical infliction etc.) rule is less stricly applied between players than against fan/ball person/line judge/umpire? Maybe, say, if it was ball person he bumped into there would've been immediate announcement of DQ but becasue it was player they viewed it differently? Sometimes players intentionally hit opponent and it's seen OK anyway.
The rule as written in the rulebook is the same, regardless of whether they hit an official or the opposing player. It's ultimately up to the umpire's discretion
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Is it possible that the aggression (whether it is with ball, racquet, physical infliction etc.) rule is less stricly applied between players than against fan/ball person/line judge/umpire? Maybe, say, if it was ball person he bumped into there would've been immediate announcement of DQ but becasue it was player they viewed it differently? Sometimes players intentionally hit opponent and it's seen OK anyway.
If he bumped into a ball kid and the kid started crying, it most definitely would be a default - like the women's doubles situation at '23 RG. If the kid shrugged it off, they would have played on. Guess Garin should have burst into tears.

 
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