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Should be immediate disqualification from the tennis tour for Carlos Ramos.
Reminds me of this....Decent technique on the shoulder charge. 6.2/10, maybe 6.5 accounting for how it's disguised as a no-look.
The official score says 7-5 in 3rd set. So did he get 2 game penaltyBergs breaks Garin at 5-5 in the third set and runs to his bench to celebrate, knocking down Garin by the shoulder in the process. The supervisor is called on after the incident and gives Bergs a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct. Huffed by the decision, Garin then refuses to play on. He receives a warning first, then a point penalty and then a game penalty. This was a decisive match in the group tie, so Belgium def. Chile 3-1
*edited for wrong scoreline
Bergs breaks at 5-5 to make it 6-5 then the one game penalty.The official score says 7-5 in 3rd set. So did he get 2 game penalty
Technically.... He stood upFirst tennis win via tko. Mike Tyson would be proud.
I think Bergs broke Garin at 5-5 in the third set for 6-5. He would have served for the match but Garin refuses to play on so the chair awarded the game and subsequently the match to Bergs.The official score says 7-5 in 3rd set. So did he get 2 game penalty
Kyrgios got away with it during his only doubles GS title run because the mother of the crying child started laughing. I remember though how there were discussions here back in 2020 regarding Novak's DQ with many now banned users (but not just them) claiming that it wasn't subjective and that anyone would get DQed in that situation. The following years shockingly proved that one side as always got it right, with Aldila Sutjiadi and Miyu Kato being the only players getting the undeserved DQ (maybe even the worst one in this sport's history) since then. There's no consistency in umpiring the sport in which ironically consistency plays a huge part.If this was Kyrgios or even Djokovic this would have been a DQ. Should have been a DQ.
Garin is a jerk but cmon guys this isn't a hard decision.
This is one of the most bizarre tennis incidents I've ever seen...from clips, I didn't watch the match.
Bergs's bump (thump, etc) appeared to be accidental, not malicious, but still he was at fault for causing the collision. Unfortunate or not, if his recklessness caused a situation where Garin could not continue, then Bergs should have been DQd.
I really can't determine whether Garin could've continued or be expected to continue. Special circumstances: Perhaps, they could've given him more time to settle in and treat any injury.
As for Ramos, he was put in a very tough position. This was so much different than Serena at USO18, when she purposely, willfully went on an ugly tirade questioning his integrity in front of the world. One can question his judgment in both difficult situations, but they simply aren't comparable.
Me? He was correct in Serena- Osaka. Here? I'm not so sure. Leaning against.
Is it possible that the aggression (whether it is with ball, racquet, physical infliction etc.) rule is less stricly applied between players than against fan/ball person/line judge/umpire? Maybe, say, if it was ball person he bumped into there would've been immediate announcement of DQ but becasue it was player they viewed it differently? Sometimes players intentionally hit opponent and it's seen OK anyway.
The rule as written in the rulebook is the same, regardless of whether they hit an official or the opposing player. It's ultimately up to the umpire's discretion
couldn't the umpire have given 1 or 3 penalty points to bergs?If he bumped into a ball kid and the kid started crying, it most definitely would be a default - like the women's doubles situation at '23 RG. If the kid shrugged it off, they would have played on. Guess Garin should have burst into tears.
That sounds fair, or a game penalty, but not sure what leeway he had.couldn't the umpire have given 1 or 3 penalty points to bergs?
(or maybe you necessarily need a warning before giving those?)
would have sounded like some 'middle ground'...
as long as the umpire's discretion allows it......That sounds fair, or a game penalty, but not sure what leeway he had.
Or...give him a two-point penalty -- plus an accidental elbow to his left cheek?
I agree with every part of your assessment, except for your conclusion. Garin was overreacting, but at the end of they day, Bergs did hurt him enough for the damage to hinder Garin in play. If you get hit with a shoulder in your eye, sure you can play on. But it will hinder you significantly ( regardless of the doctor's examination) and Bergs doesn't deserve to have that unfair advantage. Your vision is such an important part of play and seeing even a little blurry in possibly the final game of the match is a huge handicap. So, I do think that Bergs should've been DQ'd, even though it was an accident.Here's the thing: Bergs was being an idiot for that celebration and should of been DQ.
Also, Garin was acting like a big baby when he got the Time violation, point and game penalty.
Was it an accident? Yes
Was it so bad to the point where Garin couldn't play? Don't think so.
That's the salient point. The issue is not whether Garin could play on: clearly he could. It's whether there's any impairment as a result of the injury his opponent inflicted. Plainly swelling around the eye can impair vision, unfairly placing Garin at a disadvantage.I agree with every part of your assessment, except for your conclusion. Garin was overreacting, but at the end of they day, Bergs did hurt him enough for the damage to hinder Garin in play. If you get hit with a shoulder in your eye, sure you can play on. But it will hinder you significantly ( regardless of the doctor's examination) and Bergs doesn't deserve to have that unfair advantage. Your vision is such an important part of play and seeing even a little blurry in possibly the final game of the match is a huge handicap. So, I do think that Bergs should've been DQ'd, even though it was an accident.
I would have applied a one-game penalty for the collision (it was not "accidental" -- it was either intentional or reckless, and the latter warrants a penalty too). If Bergs says, "You can't do that!" I'd say, "Too bad, that's my ruling. If you don't play, you get a DQ." Then order an MTO for Garin (probably more for him to cool off than to recuperate). Then since the score is now 6-6, tiebreak.The fact that you can hit another player before serving for the match and just get a warning for that it's crazy. Tbh the whole warning system is broken. There should be options for game or set penalties from the start if they really don't want to give those DQs, but seeing how well umpires were doing this weekend maybe it's for the best that they don't have those options.
I don't know why you'd think it was intentional if you also think it should be a DQ. So Bergs wins a game to take the lead late in the final set, then chooses a mode of celebration that is likely to cost himself the match?For the people here saying Garin overreacted, my guess is you haven´t seen this clip.
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Intentionally or not (to me it was), Bergs should have been DQ. Tennis is not a contact sport as other here reminded.
It is really hard to be a fan of tennis sometimes.
Not a single sport out there on the planet would have an issue with this except maybe golf. Not a single player would not continue the match. Tennis needs to learn to embrace the passion, competition, and gutsiness other sports show but tennis does not.
I’m saying the man who ran and jumped, thereby extending his shoulder to his opponent’s face, should be punished.Are you arguing this was intentional because Bergs definitely saw Garin? How come Garin looked completely oblivious and made no apparent effort to dodge this?
They both completely misjudged how close they were to each other
Bergs was punished: he got a warning, which was a perfectly appropriate punishment for what he had doneI’m saying the man who ran and jumped, thereby extending his shoulder to his opponent’s face, should be punished.
Bergs was punished: he got a warning, which was a perfectly appropriate punishment for what he had done
Bergs was punished: he got a warning, which was a perfectly appropriate punishment for what he had done
After all these years, and my dislike of Serena, I’m discovering that Ramos is an @$$hole.I disagree with the punishment. Next time a player smashes a raquet and hits his opponent on the shin badly enough he can't continue, all the player has to do is say it was an accident and takes the win.
Because the doctor said he "could" play, the chair judges the game should go on yet the other player feels he can not continue and looses after being the victim of the unsportsmanlike behavior.
I truly agree with Garin when he tells Ramos (in spanish) you don't have the balls to default the Belgian player, and the reffing was terrible by not de-escalating the situation and in fact added more controversy by talking on the mic over Ramos while still in discussions and giving the game penalty for time violation rather than a default/walkover.
Sounds like it is exactly what tennis needs.You can leave. Tennis doesn't need fans like you.
UFC is for you then.It is really hard to be a fan of tennis sometimes.
Not a single sport out there on the planet would have an issue with this except maybe golf. Not a single player would not continue the match. Tennis needs to learn to embrace the passion, competition, and gutsiness other sports show but tennis does not.
Independently of the possibly impairment, there is not allowed in tennis any sort of aggression against the other player. Period.That's the salient point. The issue is not whether Garin could play on: clearly he could. It's whether there's any impairment as a result of the injury his opponent inflicted. Plainly swelling around the eye can impair vision, unfairly placing Garin at a disadvantage.
Tennis isn’t a contact sportIt is really hard to be a fan of tennis sometimes.
Not a single sport out there on the planet would have an issue with this except maybe golf. Not a single player would not continue the match. Tennis needs to learn to embrace the passion, competition, and gutsiness other sports show but tennis does not.
Every sport has the fans it deserves.Sounds like it is exactly what tennis needs.
Clearly.Every sport has the fans it deserves.
I have seen harder contact in the hallways trying to get to class in high school. Sorry, but this is weak.Tennis isn’t a contact sport
lol, I'll do as I please.UFC is for you then.
F*** off and leave us taking care of the tradition underpinning this beautiful sport.
Yep. There was no aggression involved and the hit itself wasn’t that hard. This isn’t some over the top, macho tough guy stance on things. There just wasn’t much too it.I have seen harder contact in the hallways trying to get to class in high school. Sorry, but this is weak.