Davis Cup vs Laver Cup vs ATP Cup

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
So now mens' tennis has three team competitions, Davis Cup, Laver Cup and the ATP Cup.

Personally, I think the ITF completely hosed Davis Cup. I didn't like the format, I absolutely hate that it's played on one surface, and for all intents and purposes, it was just a tournament in Spain which was supported only when the Spanish team was playing. Davis Cup may have lost some luster, but it needed tweaking, not revamping IMO.

The Laver Cup is a great idea. It is a different slice of competition Europe versus the World. It did come from golf, but Federer has great buy in from the other top players and a very workable format. He also spreads the love around playing in a different city every year. I think this could be a great venue for years to come, kind of a Masters Team competition. (Sadly, I don't see the world displacing Europe for some time to come. Maybe the world should look at how Europe develops players read: CLAY)

The ATP cup is another team competition. It looks to be squarely aimed at the Laver Cup, again IMO much like the two world ending championships competed with one another several years ago. The ATP had one and the ITF had one. I like the format. I also like that more than just the top players are involved. I think Australia is a great venue since they support tennis from a fan perspective better than other counties (for God's sake, please don't move the ATP WTF from London back to China where people attended just to keep warm!).

Right now, I'd rate them in this order
1. Laver Cup
2. ATP Cup
247. Davis Cup - yes it was that bad.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
The Laver Cup has nothing to do with the Laver Cup and ATP Cup. While the Laver Cup is a team competition among CONTINENTS (Europe vs. rest of the continents in the world) both the Davis Cup and the ATP are a team competition among NATIONS (Spain, Serbia, Germany, France, Japan, etc.).

Obviously, the Davis Cup is the most prestigious tournament of the 3 in terms of history. The ATP Cup is the most relevant for the ranking (only one which rewards ATP points). The Laver Cup is close to non-significant and ultra-irrelevant. It brings good matches but it has 0 relevance outside the economic benefit. There is no doubt that the Laver Cup will die once Federer and Nadal retire. On the other hand, the Davis Cup will continue forever (it will probably be combined with the ATP Cup, but the name will remain "Davis Cup" and it will be held in the final dates of the calendar year).
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Davis cup is less goaty than ATP cup cause they give too much home court advantage to site team. they need to play it in neutral site like in Greenland or Antartica
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Davis cup is less goaty than ATP cup cause they give too much home court advantage to site team. they need to play it in neutral site like in Greenland or Antartica
Yes, because playing on indoor hard court gives a lot of advantage to Spain (most Spanish players prefer clay and outdoor conditions).

Also, your comment makes no sense. You are forgetting that following your reasoning the ATP Cup gives an advantage to the Australian tennis team because it is played in Australia.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Laver Cup is by far the worst/most pointless. Aside from the novelty of seeing the FEDAL bromance play out for the cameras, it's mostly an uncompetitive circus event where nothing feels at stake. "Team World" is always outgunned. Also, it's basically an invitational, so if Federer likes you or thinks you are a "hot" or popular player on tour, will you be allowed to play. Oh, and if you are a token American like Jack Sock, so the all important American demographic has a rooting interest. It's tennis as a Kardashian event. It still feels like an exhibition. It can be fun, but in it's 4th year now, it's hard to see it as a serious tournament.

Davis Cup reinvigorated themselves with the new format. They have the name, the legacy and the prestige and just made themselves relevant again. They are the team tournament to beat, by far. They need to sort out logistical issues, but I think it will only get stronger in new format.

Can't really judge the ATP Cup as it's just started, but my feeling is it will not last long and it will merge with Davis Cup.
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Yes, because playing on indoor hard court gives a lot of advantage to Spain (most Spanish players prefer clay and outdoor conditions).

Also, your comment makes no sense. You are forgetting that following your reasoning the ATP Cup gives an advantage to the Australian tennis team because it is played in Australia.
yea but it is in different cities, that makes it no advantage to australians
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
Tbh I'm not a fan of any of these tournaments in their current forms (n)
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vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
Tbh I'm not a fan of any of these tournaments in their current forms (n)
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laver cup is an exo and sucks :sick:

davis cup isn't davis cup anymore... :rolleyes:

ATP cup is like another undaviscuped davis cup (but no lower divisions for this one)... just a few weeks later in another place :cautious:
(the only positive element i see is that it allows some players to get ready for the AO in similar conditions, making sure they get to play several matches)
 

Jonesy

Legend
ATP cup because we don't know how it feels yet, and anything new is better than DC and ...lol Laver Cup they should be ashamed and just name it Federer Cup already.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Laver Cup is an Exo and sucks. :sick:

Davis Cup isn't Davis Cup anymore... :rolleyes:

ATP cup is like another unDavisCuped Davis Cup (but no lower divisions for this one)... just a few weeks later in another place. :cautious:
(The only positive element I see is that it allows some players to get ready for the AO in similar conditions, making sure they get to play several matches.)

I can't be bothered with another manufactured event when most complain the season's too long! I haven't been keeping up with any of these team events; esp. that DC joke! Change isn't always necessary and everything having to do with it made me just avoid watching even a moment! I'm not even sure it was televised! To me this is just another way for the ATP to usurp more influence and gravitas from the ITF! The ITF made the same mistake creating that terrible YEC called The Grand Slam Cup! There are greedy idiots on both sides I guess! :rolleyes:
 
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The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
laver cup is an exo and sucks :sick:

davis cup isn't davis cup anymore... :rolleyes:

ATP cup is like another undaviscuped davis cup (but no lower divisions for this one)... just a few weeks later in another place :cautious:
(the only positive element i see is that it allows some players to get ready for the AO in similar conditions, making sure they get to play several matches)
Couldn't have said it any better (y)
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vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
I can't be bothered with another manufactured event when most complain the season's too long! I haven't been keeping up with any of these team events; esp. that DC joke! Change isn't always necessary and everything having to do with it made me just avoid watching even a moment! I'm not even sure it was televised! To me this is just another way for the ATP to usurp more influence and gravitas from the ITF! The ITF made the same mistake creating that terrible YEC called The Grand Slam Cup! There are greedy idiots on both sides I guess! :rolleyes:
the gran slam cup obviously didn't have the same prestige as the masters/WTF, but still... i had a soft spot for it :giggle:
(the qualification criterion wasn't bad)
at least we had significant events on carpet at the time... :cry:
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
So now mens' tennis has three team competitions, Davis Cup, Laver Cup and the ATP Cup.

Personally, I think the ITF completely hosed Davis Cup. I didn't like the format, I absolutely hate that it's played on one surface, and for all intents and purposes, it was just a tournament in Spain which was supported only when the Spanish team was playing. Davis Cup may have lost some luster, but it needed tweaking, not revamping IMO.

The Laver Cup is a great idea. It is a different slice of competition Europe versus the World. It did come from golf, but Federer has great buy in from the other top players and a very workable format. He also spreads the love around playing in a different city every year. I think this could be a great venue for years to come, kind of a Masters Team competition. (Sadly, I don't see the world displacing Europe for some time to come. Maybe the world should look at how Europe develops players read: CLAY)

The ATP cup is another team competition. It looks to be squarely aimed at the Laver Cup, again IMO much like the two world ending championships competed with one another several years ago. The ATP had one and the ITF had one. I like the format. I also like that more than just the top players are involved. I think Australia is a great venue since they support tennis from a fan perspective better than other counties (for God's sake, please don't move the ATP WTF from London back to China where people attended just to keep warm!).

Right now, I'd rate them in this order
1. Laver Cup
2. ATP Cup
247. Davis Cup - yes it was that bad.

The Laver Cup and Davis Cup aren't comparable!

The Laver Cup is just an invitational entertainment event that takes place during a couple of days.

The Davis Cup is a national team competition. It does not consist only of the Davis Cup Finals for 18 countries (that was held in November in Madrid). The Davis Cup structure involves over 100 national teams playing at lowel levels during a year.
 

Fiero425

Legend
the gran slam cup obviously didn't have the same prestige as the masters/WTF, but still... i had a soft spot for it :giggle:
(the qualification criterion wasn't bad)
at least we had significant events on carpet at the time... :cry:

I never got into watching that farce in Munich, but I always thought it was the event where they had to go to a rule seldom invoked! I always wondered what would happen if a player only won the one major and had an abysmal season otherwise? It did happen to Gaudio back in '04, winning the FO and had a YE ranking of #10! Agassi was #8, but by rule, if the player's in the top 20, he has a pass into the YEC if a major is won; Andre kicked out! I cried no tears for either! I really wasn't watching much tennis around then! Between Sampras and Hingis retiring the 1st time, there wasn't a reason to watch the weak fields that were out there at the time! Most of the players who qualified never would win a Masters, much less a Major! At times men's tennis was unwatchable with Roddick, Federer's lone rival and favorite pigeon! :unsure:
 
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