Davis Cup will award ranking points from 2009

Zaragoza

Banned
Not sure if someone posted it before, I just read about the Olympics awarding ranking points.
Starting from 2009, Davis Cup will award ATP ranking points after the agreement between the ITF and the ATP. It will be made official during the Miami MS.
It´s not sure yet how many points will be awarded for every match won but ITF Vice President Juan Margets said that someone playing all the ties in the World Group and reaching the final could win as many points as the winner of a Masters Series (named 1000 Series from next year).

Link (spanish): http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/1088695.html

Google translation:

The renewal of the male tennis that drives the ATP and that will be launched in 2009 with a new scheme tournaments also will be accompanied by historic changes that the International Tennis Federation apply to the Davis Cup, which from next year will spread points for the world ranking, as reported by the newspaper La Nacion.

The ITF and ATP reached an agreement after more than two years of study and now both institutions will have to ratify the agreement. If all goes well, the official announcement will be made at the Masters Series in Miami.

Juan Margets, vice president of the ITF, said that the Davis Cup will be taken as an ATP tournament more to be added as an extra computing total, as the Masters. And although there is still no clarification on the points that will get the players, Margets said that a tennis player that plays all year in the World Group could add at the end of the season almost equivalent to the points that delivers a Masters Series tournaments since next year will be the Series 1,000, and that will be below the Grand Slams.

For example, a player who wins two singles could earn the same amount of points than the amount in the last 16 of a Masters Series.
 

Alexio92

Professional
Andy Murray better read this lol. This isnt fair what about people who are not in the davis cup team(Dont get picked) or not in the world group.
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
Not a bad idea, but IMHO I still bet that the top players without a shot at the DC Championship (Fed, Baggy, Murray, Hewitt) will still skip. Seeing as you have to get to the finals to win any significant points, it's still not worth the effort unless you think you can win.
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
Isn't this discrimination? What if your name is Baghdatis? You think Cyprus has a chance to reach the final?
It's not his fault. If he wins his matches, he gets point. If he doesn't, he won't.
And it's not like 200 players play Davis Cup.

It may be fair, it may not be fair, but it's certainly NOT discrimination.
 

johnny ballgame

Professional
Not a bad idea, but IMHO I still bet that the top players without a shot at the DC Championship (Fed, Baggy, Murray, Hewitt)
A Swiss team of Federer and Stan Warinka has as good a shot as anybody of winning a Davis Cup title. They would have to be the doubles team as well... but hey, man up.
 

Zaragoza

Banned
I agree with the ranking points thing but I think the DC should change its format as well. Under the current conditions the luck of the draw is too important (especially the choice of ground) so the luck factor would affect the rankings too much with the current format.
It´s unfair for players from (tennistically speaking) small countries but it was also unfair for players who won DC matches not to be rewarded in the rankings. The perfect system doesn´t exist.
 
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Chadwixx

Banned
The ideas keep getting worse in tennis.

Play davis cup every four years like the world cup and people may start to care about it.

Since when is professional tennis a team sport?
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
A Swiss team of Federer and Stan Warinka has as good a shot as anybody of winning a Davis Cup title. They would have to be the doubles team as well... but hey, man up.
I don't think any team could win with just two guys. That's three straight days of tennis - first singles - doubles - and reverse singles. Even in most tournemnts, you get a day off between on average. Can't see Fed commiting to that since he's very smart about where and when he trains and how often he plays.

If Fed/Warinka came up against USA, I'd say the U.S. would win that match 3-2. Fed wins both his singles (no contest), Brian Bros win doubles. Warinka probably loses both singles matches.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
mr. mickey goes on...

they already thought about it...
from ljubicic's blog at madrid
http://www.atptennis.com/1/en/blog/ljubicic.asp

what do you think about it ?

i don't really like the idea of mixing points and such a team competition... well, maybe it could help to have more top players playing davis cup, but i think it's uneasy to make a system with a "fair distribution" of points because some countries have many top players while other countries have only one, or because of the different groups and the level of the players that you face, etc.
so finally they'll do it... :-?
i don't like this idea.

whatever the system they choose, i can't imagine anything fair in terms of rankings.

and another weird thing is that in some circumstances, some players won't be able to defend their points (if their team is eliminated)
i can't imagine the #1 spot being decided at the end of the year, after the masters... while waiting for a guy to lose davis cup points from the previous year final... points that he couldn't even defend on the court ! :???:
 

malakas

Banned
It's not his fault. If he wins his matches, he gets point. If he doesn't, he won't.
And it's not like 200 players play Davis Cup.

It may be fair, it may not be fair, but it's certainly NOT discrimination.
Of course it is!If you come from a nation with other good tennis players,and you have a good DC team,you can get deep in DC therefore play more matches and win more points!It's discriminating that he's refused equal chance to earn points as almost everyone of the other top players except perhaps Nieminen.It's discriminating against players from smaller not strong tennistically countries.

Another GENIOUS idea by mr Disney!:roll:
 

noeledmonds

Professional
I can't really see how this can work fairly as a system. Either you award points based on how far the team gets in the Davis Cup, in which case players of the World Group nationalities are always at an advantage. A player like Blake or Tursonov could have their ranking points boasted considerably without even playing a significant Davis Cup role.

Alternatively you award points based on match wins, in which case the players of lower group nationalities are at an advantage. If you are Bagdahtis playing in a very low Davis Cup group then victories are going to be a lot easier than the world group oponents that the likes of Roddick or Davydenko would have to face.

Perhaps they could some how combine the two criteria to produce a viable ranking points system, however I am sceptical.
 
I don't think any team could win with just two guys. That's three straight days of tennis - first singles - doubles - and reverse singles.
A team of just 2 players just won the DC not long ago(Ljubicic/Ancic in '05). And the team they beat in the final was also just a 2 man team(Hrbaty/Beck) I believe. Does anyone actually follow Davis Cup here?

I think its a little ridiculous how people act like Wawrinka is a scrub or something, wasn't he seeded at the AO this year? Yeah, he would have no chance vs james blake if the swiss played the us, lol. 35 year old Thomas Johannsson beat Blake in DC last year for pete's sake, blake is not a great dc player by any means, he basically loses every other match he plays.

Looking at some of the countries in the world group this year(Romania, Peru, Germany, Korea, Israel, Sweden, Belgium, Austria) I think Wawrinka would be more than capable of getting singles wins vs those countries if the Swiss team played them. There are very few powerhouse teams in DC these days, the Swiss would have as good a chance as anyone to win it all if Fed played (depending on the draw, most teams that have won it in recent years have gotten good draws, ie got a lot of home ties)

And Allegro always plays doubles for the Swiss, Fed or no Fed, so it would never just be a 2 man team.
 
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simi

Hall of Fame
...And it's not like 200 players play Davis Cup...
Mi amigo, there certainly are 200 players who play Davis Cup, in almost every country on the globe. The mistake I see is limiting the points to the world group. Points should be awarded to everyone who plays Davis Cup, no matter what group the country plays in.
 
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