Dawn of the Zedbot

Meles

Bionic Poster
Updated in short we have moved in the following year from the following:
The mythical Zedbot --> horrible serving Zedrot --> the soul crushing Zedzilla

Updated OP as of 5/12/2018:
If you've been watching Zverev fairly closely since beginning of Munich his game has transformed with much heavier hitting from both sides off the ground. He's been winning 69.8% of serve points:eek: (Zedzilla 73.2%), but his return is down to 38.3% (Zedzilla 44.6%). I suspect these numbers are thrown a bit by Zverev slaughtering a bunch of servebots in Rome, so he's probably returning at least as good as 39.1% and probably higher. The serve likewise is probably inflated after three sets with John Isner. Still it seems likely that Zverev is going to level out at RG around 69% on serve points and 39% on return points. Maybe its 68.5% and 39.5%.
Zedzilla 2018 since start of Munich:
71.5% first serves in play
74.2% first serve points won
70.6% 2nd serve points won
57.6% of total points won



More crazy Meles stats you say? Well 39% is quite low for return points won for a top clay courter, but the Zedbots likely near 69% won on serve is quite high. Infact, if you compare with Fed's hard court career stats, Federer won 27% of his return games on hard courts and Sascha is matching that on clay plus winning nearly as many points on serve on clay as Fed on hard courts. That's pretty staggering. And so we are witnessing the "Dawn of the Zedbot" and the most efficient clay game of all time (Sampras like even).:eek:

Zedzilla2018 has suddenly arisen and eclipsed his mind boggling numbers from 2017! This is the beginning of the end. With mind boggling jumps on both return and serve this firmly puts Zverev in the slam hunt and its going to take some heroics to stop Zedzilla who has serve numbers on clay better than Roddick on hard courts and return numbers better than Djokovic on clay even in 2011. These numbers have to be too good to be true, but they are so far up from the too good to be true 2017 numbers that I'm forced to make a call and say ZVEREV WILL BE NUMBER ONE BY THE END OF 2018.:eek:

Original OP:
Just was perusing in detail the Zverev clay numbers in 2017. If we look at all of 2017 so far Zverev has won 39.1% of return points and 67.4% of serve points. The serve number stands out because its higher than Fed's career average on clay and the return is within 2%. Not utterly amazing especially when we consider Fed's clay return game has been declined since 2009. Seemingly nothing to see here in the stats.

However if you've been watching Zverev fairly closely since beginning of Munich his game has transformed with much heavier hitting from both sides off the ground. He's been winning 69.8% of serve points:eek:, but his return is down to 38.3%. I suspect these numbers are thrown a bit by Zverev slaughtering a bunch of servebots in Rome, so he's probably returning at least as good as 39.1% and probably higher. The serve likewise is probably inflated after three sets with John Isner. Still it seems likely that Zverev is going to level out at RG around 69% on serve points and 39% on return points. Maybe its 68.5% and 39.5%.

More crazy Meles stats you say? Well 39% is quite low for return points won for a top clay courter, but the Zedbots likely near 69% won on serve is quite high. Infact, if you compare with Fed's hard court career stats, Federer won 27% of his return games on hard courts and Sascha is matching that on clay plus winning nearly as many points on serve on clay as Fed on hard courts. That's pretty staggering. And so we are witnessing the "Dawn of the Zedbot" and the most efficient clay game of all time (Sampras like even).:eek:

@Gary Duane @Chanwan @falstaff78 as usual I'm quick on the call, but I like what I see on the court a lot and the stats seem to match what I'm seeing.:oops:
 
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Jackuar

Hall of Fame
I like what I see on court as well. His hitting, movement and tactics all look good. I'm only thinking he should come forward to receive serves and that will improve his return game. I saw him standing a mile behind baseline on clay. He might come forward after FO based on the surface if he's smart, but that's to wait and watch.
 

falstaff78

Hall of Fame
some quick thoughts.

(1) his numbers since munich are completely unaffected by the servebots.
since munich, overall: 69/38
since munich, excl. anderson, isner & raonic: 69/38

(2) i think some caution is advised. his serve is good, but not that much better than top 50 average. on the other hand his path in FO is quite good. going purely on the numbers below I am expecting a run to the QFs. with a semi not out of the question if he can play a good match vs. Murray or Delpo.

(2017 clay serve / return, vs. median opponent)

Zverev (67/39 vs. 35)
top 50 average in 2017 on clay: (64/39 vs. 45)

R32 - Cuevas (66/38 vs. 41)
R16 - Nishikori (62/42 vs. 41)
QF - Murray (59/41 vs. 29) or Delpo (66/41 vs. 31)
SF - Stan (65/33 vs. 44)
F - Nadal (68/47 vs. 22) or Djokovic (64/42 vs. 20)
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
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Meles

Bionic Poster
some quick thoughts.

(1) his numbers since munich are completely unaffected by the servebots.
since munich, overall: 69/38
since munich, excl. anderson, isner & raonic: 69/38

(2) i think some caution is advised. his serve is good, but not that much better than top 50 average. on the other hand his path in FO is quite good. going purely on the numbers below I am expecting a run to the QFs. with a semi not out of the question if he can play a good match vs. Murray or Delpo.

(2017 clay serve / return, vs. median opponent)

Zverev (67/39 vs. 35)
top 50 average in 2017 on clay: (64/39 vs. 45)

R32 - Cuevas (66/38 vs. 41)
R16 - Nishikori (62/42 vs. 41)
QF - Murray (59/41 vs. 29) or Delpo (66/41 vs. 31)
SF - Stan (65/33 vs. 44)
F - Nadal (68/47 vs. 22) or Djokovic (64/42 vs. 20)
:confused: The Zedbot you yourself have at 69% of serve points won on clay. The QF with Murray is the big problem for Zverev, but the shakiness of Murray's game now is shocking coming into RG:
"In l'Équipe Thursday: piece on Murray practising with Pouille. Murray got a bit of a 'spanking'. Murray has had a bit of a cold the last couple of days, 'but that's not enough to explain things.' Emmanuel Planque, Pouille's coach, on Murray: "He didn't serve very well, he missed in neutral rallies, which is unusual. "He doubts, thinks too much and is less spontaneous. When he has a half-court shot, he hesitates." More from Planque: "I get the feeling his elbow injury which kept him out of DC is still there. He redoes treatment before serve warm-up.":confused:

Stan is 0-2 versus Zedbot and lowly S&V Mischa darn near took him out in the Geneva final today.:eek: If you did not doubt my and others opinions,:oops:
I like what I see on court as well. His hitting, movement and tactics all look good. I'm only thinking he should come forward to receive serves and that will improve his return game. I saw him standing a mile behind baseline on clay. He might come forward after FO based on the surface if he's smart, but that's to wait and watch.

you'd realize that Zverev has transformed with his Munich run. Not much better than top 50 average my foot:
1. Zverev at 69.1% is 5th on serve points won just behind a bunch of bots and Johnson whose matches are all on fake clay.
2. Zverev serve game has been fueled by his 2nd serve game where he's been 3rd of late at 58.9% narrowly behind Karlovic and Nadal.:eek:

The Zedbot will be looking for revenge at RG.o_O
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A date in the final for sure at the very least to meet the arrogant one who might be a tad tuckered out for the final.:rolleyes: "Strange" , no?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/barcelona-...ander-zverevs-desire-face-him-strange-1619051
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Zedbot the destroyer is upon you and you don't even know it.:eek: I've tried to warn you of his coming.:cool:

How far do you think Z will get in Paris?

I'm a little unconvinced by the stats overall because of the way he bowed out to Nadal in MC and lost early in Barca. But his play in Rome was very good and the final was an excellent display of tennis and mental strength. He's definitely moving very quickly in the right direction. I've got big hopes for him.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
How far do you think Z will get in Paris?

I'm a little unconvinced by the stats overall because of the way he bowed out to Nadal in MC and lost early in Barca. But his play in Rome was very good and the final was an excellent display of tennis and mental strength. He's definitely moving very quickly in the right direction. I've got big hopes for him.
He's been producing that kind of tennis since start of Munich. Night and day difference. He's basically pounding the groundies all day long.

His little move here is definitely the most exciting stats move I've seen. I had tremendous hopes for Thiem last year on his Acapulco run mainly because of high serve percentage. This isn't quite like Fed, Nadal, or Djoko early, but its pretty crazy. I believe Nadal (and Murray in form) will destroy his game because they return first serves and big serves quite well. Zed's secret is his 2nd serve. He was pouring in 180 kph 2nds with Nole and that is close to a first serve. He's aggressively taking over off the weaker 2nd returns which has him darn close to 60% on clay. That is very unusual. I'd expect Nadal or Murray to rain on his parade. Cilic has been surprisingly strong on clay and might do him in, but Zed has nice head to head with Marin.:p

I just made my picks in Prediction league and quite a few had Nadal over Zverev in the final (might be the most popular combo). Stan got through Geneva and Diesel is still sputtering but is another popular pick for the final. Of course I went with Thiem and Zverev, with Zverev winning.:eek: I have a history of aggressive picks involving Thiem so can't put much stock in that. I think Zverev will beat Djokovic again. There is a reason Djokassi working on shortening his swings:
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No Djokovic picks for the final so far in league.;)
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
LOL. What's new ? Egg on the face of @Meles is just a daily ritual anyway.

How is the 'Novak will not make the WTF cut off' coming ? Would be hilarious if Novak goes on to win RG and qualify before even half the year is finished
 

every7

Hall of Fame

Thiem so polite that he doesn't even stop greeting the fans when mineral water is poured all down his shoulders and hair.

I'm sure a memo went out to all female reporters at Roland Garros site that a wet Dominic Thiem was available for interview in Roland Garros forecourt :eek:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
LOL. What's new ? Egg on the face of @Meles is just a daily ritual anyway.

How is the 'Novak will not make the WTF cut off' coming ? Would be hilarious if Novak goes on to win RG and qualify before even half the year is finished
Gotta bump this thread as well the Zedbot is now looking like Zedrot. However has to be noted that he won Cit and Rogers back to back beating Fraud rather easily in the Roger's Cup final.:rolleyes:

Will Novak qualify this year TA?o_O
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I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
Gotta bump this thread as well the Zedbot is now looking like Zedrot. However has to be noted that he won Cit and Rogers back to back beating Fraud rather easily in the Roger's Cup final.:rolleyes:

Will Novak qualify this year TA?o_O
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Maybe you should make a topic again
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Just was perusing in detail the Zverev clay numbers in 2017. If we look at all of 2017 so far Zverev has won 39.1% of return points and 67.4% of serve points. The serve number stands out because its higher than Fed's career average on clay and the return is within 2%. Not utterly amazing especially when we consider Fed's clay return game has been declined since 2009. Seemingly nothing to see here in the stats.

However if you've been watching Zverev fairly closely since beginning of Munich his game has transformed with much heavier hitting from both sides off the ground. He's been winning 69.8% of serve points:eek:, but his return is down to 38.3%. I suspect these numbers are thrown a bit by Zverev slaughtering a bunch of servebots in Rome, so he's probably returning at least as good as 39.1% and probably higher. The serve likewise is probably inflated after three sets with John Isner. Still it seems likely that Zverev is going to level out at RG around 69% on serve points and 39% on return points. Maybe its 68.5% and 39.5%.

More crazy Meles stats you say? Well 39% is quite low for return points won for a top clay courter, but the Zedbots likely near 69% won on serve is quite high. Infact, if you compare with Fed's hard court career stats, Federer won 27% of his return games on hard courts and Sascha is matching that on clay plus winning nearly as many points on serve on clay as Fed on hard courts. That's pretty staggering. And so we are witnessing the "Dawn of the Zedbot" and the most efficient clay game of all time (Sampras like even).:eek:

@Gary Duane @Chanwan @falstaff78 as usual I'm quick on the call, but I like what I see on the court a lot and the stats seem to match what I'm seeing.:oops:
Gadzooks, without even a moment's notice Zedzilla has emerged from the Zedrot cocoon. Here we are a full year later and once again the Munich onwards stats are mindboggling. I've updated the OP. Given what Zverev did after this leap last year, the huge jump in the numbers this year signals Zedzilla will eclipse the accomplishments of last year and become #1 by the end of 2018.:eek:
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
Gadzooks, without even a moment's notice Zedzilla has emerged from the Zedrot cocoon. Here we are a full year later and once again the Munich onwards stats are mindboggling. I've updated the OP. Given what Zverev did after this leap last year, the huge jump in the numbers this year signals Zedzilla will eclipse the accomplishments of last year and become #1 by the end of 2018.:eek:

I adore your optimism, especially when it comes to young Zverev, but getting to #1 is a bit too much, especially with no GS title :oops:
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Gadzooks, without even a moment's notice Zedzilla has emerged from the Zedrot cocoon. Here we are a full year later and once again the Munich onwards stats are mindboggling. I've updated the OP. Given what Zverev did after this leap last year, the huge jump in the numbers this year signals Zedzilla will eclipse the accomplishments of last year and become #1 by the end of 2018.:eek:

@Meles-- GOAT optimism post! :D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Hopefully Dom will lay down the BEATDOWN on this dude tomorrow and we can do back to calling him Zedgag. "Zedzilla" is a hideous joke with his slam record, really.
@Meles-- GOAT optimism post! :D
I've been following points stats since @thomasferrett and company were crapping on Thiem post his Acapulco run in 2016. I've tracked the best in points since 1991. Zverev's jump from 2017 to 2018 looks amazing; an absolute dream come true. If Thiem had ever done this I'd be bouncing off the walls here. Because Zverev has a much more efficient serve game now I'd rate him above Nadal on clay simply because he probably won't lose to the Coric's and Thiem's in the field. Impossible for him to face Nadal until a final and he's one hot player when he makes a final so he could easily serve Nadal off the court.:confused:

I hope for Thiem's sake I'm wrong, but Zverev looking bad to the bone and likely 2018 year end number 1 with or without a slam.o_O
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
I've been following points stats since @thomasferrett and company were crapping on Thiem post his Acapulco run in 2016. I've tracked the best in points since 1991. Zverev's jump from 2017 to 2018 looks amazing; an absolute dream come true. If Thiem had ever done this I'd be bouncing off the walls here. Because Zverev has a much more efficient serve game now I'd rate him above Nadal on clay simply because he probably won't lose to the Coric's and Thiem's in the field. Impossible for him to face Nadal until a final and he's one hot player when he makes a final so he could easily serve Nadal off the court.:confused:

I hope for Thiem's sake I'm wrong, but Zverev looking bad to the bone and likely 2018 year end number 1 with or without a slam.o_O
Zverev is better than Nadal on clay now? Even for you that's a bit much.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
@Meles-- GOAT optimism post! :D
I did the same stats rundown before the Rome final last year on Zverev which blew me away and picked Zverev. and then this thread was put out the week after. Zverev outside of majors then made Halle Final, won Citi Open with a great field, won Rogers Cup.

I've not been watching his play closely over the last two weeks, but the stats are monumental.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Zverev is better than Nadal on clay now? Even for you that's a bit much.
Not going to say head to head, but given he's #2 seed I think we'll see him in finals unless Coric can stop him.:confused:

Mind you I'm in stats nerd mode/heaven right now with all the numbers I'm seeing on clay. Shapo's fate may not be as bad as we thought.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
so he's not better than Nadal?
If Nadal keeps getting knocked out before finals, then yes.:D Do I think a rolling Nadal would be beaten in RG final; no way, but I do now believe with a great draw Zverev could end up in the final of RG this year.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Hopefully Dom will lay down the BEATDOWN on this dude tomorrow and we can go back to calling him Zedgag. "Zedzilla" is a hideous joke with his slam record, really.

I called Zverev Zedzilla only because of Zverev's monster height not because he's winning slam after slam or is some outrageous talent. Although I do think he will win slams in the future and to be fair, he is making it to the business end of tournaments week after week on every surface. You have to give him that. Dimitrov and Nishikori certainly weren't doing that. Remember Zverev is only 21(just.) If you don't think he will win future slams, who will?

The final between Thiem and Zverev should be a good battle and I think it should be close and could go either way but I think Thiem has the slight edge on clay. After Thiem beat the clay GOAT, Nadal, hopefully he can lift the trophy.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
I adore your optimism, especially when it comes to young Zverev, but getting to #1 is a bit too much, especially with no GS title :oops:

If Zverev wins today he will have 6000 points in rankings which is 2600 away from the current Number one.Yes Zverev needs to win Grand Slam or at least reach final.And lets not forget Zverev needs to defend Rome and Montreal this year.Also it depends on Federer and Nadal.Fed have to defend Wimby and few other tournaments he won the last year.Nadal needs to defend 3k points in the autumn HC season.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Zverev is the most likely player to end number 1. Federer might defend his points, but at 36/7 it can't be counted on. Nadal is faultering on Clay, and that US Open title was very opportunistic. He has more points to defend than anyone. Zverev has his points spread out, and can add significant gains at each of the remaining 3 slams left in the calender, also WTF. He is the favourite to end of the year at number 1, I think it's obvious.
 
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Zverev is the most likely player to end number 1. Federer might defend his points, but at 36/7 it can't be counted on. Nadal is faultering on Clay, and that US Open title was very opportunistic. He has more points to defend than anyone. Zverev has his points spread out, and can add significant gains at each of the remaining 3 slams left in the calender, also WTF. He is the favourite to end of the year at number 1, I think it's obvious.
Lol I think Z has to get to a slam QF before we can even think about him getting to #1.

He can maybe end #1 next year (big maybe) but it’s Federer or Nadal this year, no question.
 
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