ta11geese3
Semi-Pro
Hoot said:
Eh? Who WOULD you consider a serious threat for Federer? Ancic, Gasquet, etc were all supposed to be serious threats... this was, of course, until he played them...
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Eh? Who WOULD you consider a serious threat for Federer? Ancic, Gasquet, etc were all supposed to be serious threats... this was, of course, until he played them...
VamosRafa said:
Thanks. I know they've pulled me in several times. By the way, I respect the manner you support your favorite. You support without having to tear down other people (Federer). You always have kind things to say about both players. There are some small people around here that can only feel better about themselves their favorite by tearing down other players.
Simon Cowell said:
I know that your post is part tongue and cheek and part serious. Federer is a champion, he is not afraid of Rafa on grass, but if the match gets tight, I give the edge to Rafa based on his physicality (if thats a word) and his mental advantage head to head. Rafa wants it more and is willing to suffer more on the court. Things come easy for Roger because he is so talented. Fed better start strong and end points quickly to take Rafa out of his game. The longer the match goes in time and sets the advantage shifts to Rafa.
As with Rafa on Clay, someone has to beat him before anyone can be favored against him, Roger is the grass king and Rafa must win before he can be favored on this surface against the Fed.
Let's give Roger the respect that he deserves until he is dethroned.
Just for the sake of objectivity, my favorite players are Baghdatis and Nalbandian. I like both Roger & Rafa but I am not firmly in either's camp as you can tell by my post.
tarheels2323
Semi-Pro
VamosRafa said:
I said I was rapidly losing my patience, not lost it. You know when a misquoto just keeps buzzing in your ear and you keep swatting it away but it still comes back time after time? That's where I'm at. Plus, I enjoy rebutting the more ridiculous posts.
ksbh
Banned
Dude,
Are you for real? He hasn't won any significant tournament (read 'Grand Slam') outside the French and he's better than Fed on any surface?! ROFLMAO! Here's a little reminder for you ... Fed's won 2 Australian Opens and 2 U.S. open titles besides his wins at Wimbledon.
If Nadal win's the final on Sunday, you could say he's the best on grass 'this year' based on the results but that again isn't equal to 'all' surfaces. Give me a break!
Are you for real? He hasn't won any significant tournament (read 'Grand Slam') outside the French and he's better than Fed on any surface?! ROFLMAO! Here's a little reminder for you ... Fed's won 2 Australian Opens and 2 U.S. open titles besides his wins at Wimbledon.
If Nadal win's the final on Sunday, you could say he's the best on grass 'this year' based on the results but that again isn't equal to 'all' surfaces. Give me a break!
Simon Cowell said:
VamosRafa
Hall of Fame
tarheels2323 said:
A lot of people enjoy doing that, which generates even more ridiculous posts and attacks against posters. It's part of the culture here, and people must enjoy it or they wouldn't do it. Some of it is entertaining, if you don't get caught up in it.
Thanks, simi. Many Fed fans show respect for Rafa and for other players as well. I also think there are players who don't enjoy the "claycourt" style of play, and don't like claycourters in general. Nothing wrong with that; it's a personal preference. The only thing I find frustrating is the never-ending giving of excuses for Rafa being the No. 2 player in the world and becoming a threat on more than just clay. Talk about myopic, IMO.
Condoleezza
Banned
Simon Cowell said:
You obviously don't know much about tennis.
It would be a great surprise if the Juice-Boy wins even one set on Sunday.
Condi
typingchamp
Rookie
Rhino said:
Actually if Nadal wins, the debate would be clearly over. [oops, someone beat me to it by saying almos the exact same thing]
And I think both Nadal and Fed faced good competition. Just because you destroy your competition doesn't mean your draw was weak (i.e. Federer). Both Nadal and Fed MADE their draws look weak by beating people handily (Kendrick notwithstanding).
Baghdatis in semis was a really tough test so stop saying Nadal had it easy. Do you really think he woulda lost to Hewitt (who is lacking weapons) or Roddick (who is lacking confidence and a return)? Baghdatis is a very solid player as he showed today.
Does anybody think there was ANYBODY ELSE at all in the Wimbledon draw who has a better shot at beating Federer than Nadal? Who would you rather see in the final? Hewitt? Roddick? Fed has destroyed everyone else. At least Nadal would give a fight.
tarheels2323
Semi-Pro
VamosRafa said:
Wouldn't you say that my post showed a level of inpartiality which is pretty scarce around here? You're right that I shouldn't get caught up in it, but it unnerves me that people can be so biased that it adversly effects their judgement. I'm not only talking about on this forum but also in the world. There still exist people who practice racism and prejudice based on the inaccuracy of their perception. It's not the post or the poster who I'm attacking but the ideology of a one track mind. (I probably just blew that out of proportion.) It's not that I believe anyone should change their beliefs on this forum but I would like some people to open themselves up to different ideas because the ones to which they endear themselves are so blatently one-sided.
knasty131
Professional
I personally dont see how someone who hasnt lost a set could be shaking in his boots to play nadal...i really hope federer wins this, not only am i a fan of his, but this competing of "who is best" is getting annoying...some posters are just picking random thoughts out of the air and using them to jusitfy why their favorite is better...and i may be biased, but to me it seems that the nadal fans on this board seem to be a little more fanatic on this subject...regardless though, federer is on HIS surface and i think this final will just prove that grass is feds surface and clay is nadals hands down...if it does so happen that fed wins wimbledon, i think the results at the USO and AUS (upcoming due to nadals no show this year) will show us overall who is the better player...
typingchamp
Rookie
dh003i said:
Actually yes, I think Nadal's play has been incredible. Good as Federer? Maybe not . . . but good enough to think he has a shot.
Nowhere near that good? Last time I checked, they were both only broken twice. Nadal is serving over 70% and points won on his second serve is amazing.
typingchamp
Rookie
tarheels2323 said:
You shouldn't talk man. Your previous post spoke in definitives, bolded nevermind. FEDERER WILL WIN blah blah blah.
That's pretty biased. A rational person would say, I think Federer has too much game and will overcome Nadal. Not, Federer WILL win.
If you want change, you should change yourself first.
tarheels2323
Semi-Pro
typingchamp said:
I'll kindly ask you to reread my post. In the event that you can't read, which I find likely at this point, I can give you a call and talk you through it. If you'll remember, this thread began with Simon Cowell's bold opinion that Federer is "shaking in his boots." The bolded part of my post made it easier for anyone reading it to realize that Federer is not indeed, "shaking in his boots." I then went on to use irrefutable facts to detail that Federer is the overwhelming favorite going into Sunday's final and therefore I believe he will win; I pretty much said that Federer "has too much game and will overcome Nadal." Further, I only said that Federer will go on to win many more Wimbledons because precedent dictates that he will. He has the longest grass court streak and is undefeated at Wimbledon the past three years. Borg, the previous holder of the record, won five consecutive Wimbledons and may have won more if he stayed in the game longer. If it pleases you though: Federer has too much game and will overcome Nadal. Oh, and "blah blah blah" is excellent word choice when instead you should quote the parts of my post which you believe support your argument.
netman
Hall of Fame
typingchamp said:
The Bagh a challenge for Nadal? Not really.
Baghdatis has a wonderful flair for the game, soft hands and a great attitude. But boy is he soft in the head. He made so many bad choices at critical points in the match with Nadal. Nadal had a plan and stuck to it. That was the difference today.
If Baghdatis can learn to come into a match with a game plan and some preparation, I agree he could be a tough matchup for both Federer and Nadal. Guess he needs to figure out how to balance the creativity and free spirit that makes him special with the need to do some match planning. Boy is he fun to watch when he gets engaged.
-k-
Speaking as a neutral party...I believe Federer is too good on grass. Nadal has been amazing and I would not be surprised to see him take it into 5 sets but I think Federer's game is too good on grass. And beforehand...If Nadal does win...be prepared for the Fed-fanatics to blame it on the slowdown of grass courts (which I think is a shame...).
tarheels2323
Semi-Pro
Bobcat07 said:
If Federer wins then everything will be as it was predicted. If Nadal wins, then he must be given amazing praise for stepping up his game to such a level as to win against Federer on grass. Either way, the better player on the day and on the surface will win and must be given the proper admiration.
tennisjunkiela
Semi-Pro
netman said:
Would it be fair to make the same assessment of Fed when he's playing Nadal?
Maybe, just maybe, it Nadal who's forcing Bags and Fed to go for more? Food for thought
typingchamp said:
Yes, NOWHERE NEAR as good. Nadal's opponents haven't been anywhere near the calibre of Federer's. Ancic would have crushed anyone other than Federer -- including Nadal. Federer hasn't lost a single set -- not one!
It'd be surprising if Nadal takes a single set off Federer.
TacoBellBorderBowl1946
Professional
Nadal would have lost to ALL of Fed's opponents in this Wimby, he had the easiest draw anyone could ever have in a major.
FEd will win 6-0 6-0 6-0.
Then hopefully Simon Cowell the ****** will leave this forum and hibernate until the clay court season.
FEd will win 6-0 6-0 6-0.
Then hopefully Simon Cowell the ****** will leave this forum and hibernate until the clay court season.
superman1
Legend
Nadal is a bore. He can hit winners, but usually he wins points just by being super consistent and forcing his opponents to make errors. Blah. But he's damn good.
If Federer loses, he will never be the GOAT and his position as one of the greatest of all time is going to suffer badly.
But this should be a good match. This one should live up to the hype. If this match is another dud like the French final, I will officially call this rivalry the worst in tennis history.
If Federer loses, he will never be the GOAT and his position as one of the greatest of all time is going to suffer badly.
But this should be a good match. This one should live up to the hype. If this match is another dud like the French final, I will officially call this rivalry the worst in tennis history.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
I still think fed will win,he is playing great.Anything is possible but i dont think nadal is good enough on grass to take down fed.
Just by making the finals nadal has surprised me,but the good news is he is moving up in points.With him playing this well on grass,i cant wait for the hardcourt season.
The only thing i am predicting is the same thing i have said before+that is nadal will be taking over #1 in the next year or so.
Just by making the finals nadal has surprised me,but the good news is he is moving up in points.With him playing this well on grass,i cant wait for the hardcourt season.
The only thing i am predicting is the same thing i have said before+that is nadal will be taking over #1 in the next year or so.
cuddles26
Banned
If Roger loses the Wimbledon final mens tennis will really be ruined. Nobody will be interested in a rivallry between the two if Roger cant even beat Nadal on grass. Mens tennis is already pretty low and boring compared to womens but it will definitely be horrable for mens tennis, and really bring it to a new low if Nadal won the final.
cuddles26
Banned
Tu Madre said:
Well with all due respect to Nadal it would show Federer is a pretty meek or weak 7-time slam winner if he cant even beat Nadal on grass right now. That is bad for the game. There rivalry is obviously bad too if Federer cant beat Nadal on any surface, that is bad for the game too. So mens tennis is much worse of then it already is if Nadal wins, I already find it bad with Roddick and Hewitt out of it, and the up and comers so weak.
I am not really a fan of either, and mens tennis has been pretty boring for a couple of years. Nadal winning Wimbledon over Federer would just make it even more boring then it already is.
rocafelton
New User
its impossible to predict this match
I believe the question should not be whether who wins, but whether Nadal will give Federer a tough match. Federer so far hasn't dropped a single set in the tournament, and there is no doubt that he will win Nadal. The question is, can Nadal be able to do what the other players have failed to do and manage to take a set or two from the great Roger Federer in Wimbledon?
shawn1122
Professional
That's what makes it so much more interesting than the French final. We know that Nadal seems to matchup quite well against Federer, but what if Federer is given one more advantage (his favourite surface.) Is that enough to get him his first win over Nadal in over a year? Or is Nadal just too much of a matchup for Federer?rocafelton said:
ACE of Hearts
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I agree about this being a career match for Roger, its now or never, he needs to stop thinking and play his game on grass.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Come on ace were is all that confidence?All i have been hearing all week is how fed is going to kill nadal.Now all of a sudden sounds like you fed backers are having doubts.
This is one of the times i agree with you guys,i really think you fed lovers are going to be happy after sunday.But nobody including myself thought nadal would go this far.
But i will admit Fed is playing to tough,plus after watching nadal i dont think the TS forehand of his to the backhand is bouncing up near as high as usual.So fed is going to be able to attack it.Plus nadal is giving up to many short balls.
If nadal were to win i would love it but highly dought it.Butwith what he has done on grass ,it just gives me that much more confidence in how he is going to play on the hardcourts.
This is one of the times i agree with you guys,i really think you fed lovers are going to be happy after sunday.But nobody including myself thought nadal would go this far.
But i will admit Fed is playing to tough,plus after watching nadal i dont think the TS forehand of his to the backhand is bouncing up near as high as usual.So fed is going to be able to attack it.Plus nadal is giving up to many short balls.
If nadal were to win i would love it but highly dought it.Butwith what he has done on grass ,it just gives me that much more confidence in how he is going to play on the hardcourts.
jackcrawford
Professional
Federer now has repaired his bruised ego with his magic jacket; he was feeling vulnerable so he dealt with it by getting himself a good luck charm. It should stop his anxiety and negative thinking against Nadal so that his rapier will overcome Nadal's ax, although of course Nadal with his fight and topspin has a near 50/50 chance even on grass. Vamosrafa is correct that a win here by Nadal would silence debate on who's best as no thinking person could then expect a Fed victory at the US Open
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
How about this for a conspiracy?
The tennis world is whipped into a frenzy when Rafa outlasts Fedi in the Wimbledon final. The ITF resents this...but the press is good the world over.
Early Monday morning, in all time zones, every single one of the ITF's Old Boys and the ATP boss experience a collective dream featuring the ghosts of tennis past -- played by Lew Hoad, John McEnroe, Rod Laver and Pancho Gonzales -- all wearing "The Blazer" with their tennis shorts. The outfit looked great on everyone 'cept McEnroe with his 1983 Tacchinis, which were shorter than the jacket.
Hoadie cues up clips of genuine all-court attacking tennis, mostly on quicker hardcourts and the grass of old. His soliloquy inspires them all.
The next morning they awake and call eachother to schedule a top secret summit at the Greenbrier (which is a top secret, beautiful 5*resort/hotel stuck in a bygone era). At the meeting, they all commit to speeding up the courts at Wimbledon and the US Open so Federer can make this a rivalry.
When Federer closes in on the accomplishments of Laver, Emerson and Sampras, they mysteriously slow things down again.
The tennis world is whipped into a frenzy when Rafa outlasts Fedi in the Wimbledon final. The ITF resents this...but the press is good the world over.
Early Monday morning, in all time zones, every single one of the ITF's Old Boys and the ATP boss experience a collective dream featuring the ghosts of tennis past -- played by Lew Hoad, John McEnroe, Rod Laver and Pancho Gonzales -- all wearing "The Blazer" with their tennis shorts. The outfit looked great on everyone 'cept McEnroe with his 1983 Tacchinis, which were shorter than the jacket.
Hoadie cues up clips of genuine all-court attacking tennis, mostly on quicker hardcourts and the grass of old. His soliloquy inspires them all.
The next morning they awake and call eachother to schedule a top secret summit at the Greenbrier (which is a top secret, beautiful 5*resort/hotel stuck in a bygone era). At the meeting, they all commit to speeding up the courts at Wimbledon and the US Open so Federer can make this a rivalry.
When Federer closes in on the accomplishments of Laver, Emerson and Sampras, they mysteriously slow things down again.
netman
Hall of Fame
From a marketing standpoint, Nadal is truly a dream for the tennis powers. He represents the pinnacle of the pusher style of play that is so successful in the amatuer ranks. Just as Harold Solomon carried the pusher flag in the 70's, Muster in the 80's, and Spanish Armada in the 90's, Nadal carries it now. He is the perfect counterpoint to the fluid, attacking, all-court style style played by Federer that all of us amateurs aspire to but know we can never reach since we weren't born with his natural gifts. Nadal's game on the other hand can be copied by the rest of us. While most of us we will never have his awesome speed, stamina and power, we can practice lofting the ball over the net time after time, waiting for our opponent to make a mistake. We can work on our fitness to allow us to run down more balls and outlast our opponents. We can also work on building the mental focus required to patiently wait for our opponent to take a risk.
In other words, all that 99.9% of us can do is marvel at Federer's play. But we can actaully work to be like Rafa. With tennis participation continuing to drop, who do you want as the poster boy for the sport? And what would you do to keep him there?
-k-
In other words, all that 99.9% of us can do is marvel at Federer's play. But we can actaully work to be like Rafa. With tennis participation continuing to drop, who do you want as the poster boy for the sport? And what would you do to keep him there?
-k-
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Netman what matches are you watching,i watched nadal hit numerous winners on bags yesterday.You guys with this pusher crap are full of it,wonder how many times nadal came to the net also.
Good luck trying to play like rafa,he is the one that makes shots no one including your god fed can make.
Good luck trying to play like rafa,he is the one that makes shots no one including your god fed can make.
jackcrawford
Professional
Vicious spin, more than any pro in history, Agassi says it's like trying to return a bowling ball. Farthest thing in the world from a flat ball striaght-armed 4.0 pusher. Very far from the loopy, lightweight Solomon shots.netman said:
netman
Hall of Fame
jackcrawford said:
Didn't say it was the same as Solomon, said he is the pinnacle of the pusher game. He has turned the pusher style into an offensive game by adding that vicious spin. He can keep any loopy shot he hits in play and make it an offensive shot. Muster use to do this as well, but Rafa has the added advantage of that lefty spin and his natural strength. And what everybody keeps overlooking is how smart, disciplined and well-prepared he is in every match, another key trait of a great pusher.
Solomon could have never played this way. He was too short and had to play with a wooden racquet on real grass courts that were lightening fast and slick, against S&V guys skidding the ball low and away from him. The fact he could do it at all was a testament to his physical skills.
-k-
I'm sure the tennis will be great -- the two best players meeting in the final of a major. But I'm not looking forward to waiting 30 seconds before Nadal serves again after each point. Asks for the towel, gets the towel, turns it around, wipes his hands, arms and shoulders, gives towel back, steps on to the service line, looks at his opponent, adjusts his hair, adjusts his racket, bounces ball 20-30 times, looks up at opponent... and finally serves. Watching paint dry is more fun. Get on with it already.
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