DC 315 LTD (!!)

Tordne

Tordne

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Irvin said:
The DC 315 LTD does not have silicone in the handle (Tour Prepared,) it is foam filled from head to butt, and it has a TK82 Pallet.

EDIT: It appears to me the measurements of the 2013 Limited frames and the 2017 LTD frames are identical. Using my micrometer I found only a few 1/100th mm difference in several locations.
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Thanks heaps for that @Irvin! The SW on the stock frame is so low (mine is only 306 strung with Pro Red Code Wax 16g). The one thing I don't like about the frame is that you can feel where the stickers/decals are on the frame, especially the red one down by the handle. I need to get my SW up to around 335, and tail weight to retain a balance of around 31.5 max.
 
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ae1222

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I hit with the new 16X19 version today (non-modified) and frankly I couldn't tell any difference between this and the old version. Granted I will need to lead it up and extended it to be sure, but it seemed the flex the same and have the same feel as the previous version (I hit with both today for about an hour).
 
nohandedbackhand

nohandedbackhand

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I’m just shocked that they aren’t advertising (or even mentioning) the whole foam-filled thing or naming it as a new “technology” like the shock absorbing bumper. Foam filling must add to the production costs.
 
Irvin

Irvin

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
Thanks, @Irvin ... I'm looking to acquire that version at some point... did you have the 2013 Limited version in the same string pattern...?

If so, how do they compare? and... Which would you recommend?

Thanks
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Yes I do have 2 of the 2013 315 Limited TP ATP 16M frames as well as several other Tecnifibre frames. Most of my frames are 16M TFight and TFlash frames, but I do have a 305, 320, and 325 which are all 18M frames. I hit with the new frame in a prototype model and it was very similar to the 2013 model. I was on vacation last week and was going to do a better comparison this week between the 315 limited, DC 315 LTD, and the 315 DC. Sorry to say because of an altercation between my toe and a door that will not happen for a while now.
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

Classic-TXP-IG MID

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Irvin said:
Yes I do have 2 of the 2013 315 Limited TP ATP 16M frames as well as several other Tecnifibre frames. Most of my frames are 16M TFight and TFlash frames, but I do have a 305, 320, and 325 which are all 18M frames. I hit with the new frame in a prototype model and it was very similar to the 2013 model. I was on vacation last week and was going to do a better comparison this week between the 315 limited, DC 315 LTD, and the 315 DC. Sorry to say because of an altercation between my toe and a door that will not happen for a while now.
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Ooh... sorry to hear about the altercation... I hope your toe gets better very soon @Irvin ...

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you finally are able to play...
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

Classic-TXP-IG MID

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@Irvin, I wanted to let you know that I just purchased 2 Tecnifibre 2013 315 Limited 16M racquets... they look in good shape and I can't wait to try them out...

Now I have both iterations of the 2013 model... :)
 
Irvin

Irvin

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
@Irvin, I wanted to let you know that I just purchased 2 Tecnifibre 2013 315 Limited 16M racquets... they look in good shape and I can't wait to try them out...

Now I have both iterations of the 2013 model... :)
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The 18M racket is no different from the 16M except for the pattern. Originally the Limited was made only in 16M. Then Blake was going to try the racket so they made an 18x20 drill pattern in the same frame for him, but he never came over to Tecnifibre. Not sure if the 16 & 18 main versions are still the same or not but my guess is they are.

I prefer the 16M myself but I have no problem with the 18M rackets either. I just lower the tensions in the 18M version a little to get the same DT in each and I am fine.
 
Classic-TXP-IG MID

Classic-TXP-IG MID

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Irvin said:
The 18M racket is no different from the 16M except for the pattern. Originally the Limited was made only in 16M. Then Blake was going to try the racket so they made an 18x20 drill pattern in the same frame for him, but he never came over to Tecnifibre. Not sure if the 16 & 18 main versions are still the same or not but my guess is they are.

I prefer the 16M myself but I have no problem with the 18M rackets either. I just lower the tensions in the 18M version a little to get the same DT in each and I am fine.
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Do you prefer the 16M as it gives you more spin potential and power? The RA is a couple points lower, but I'm not sure whether that would be particularly noticeable... it does make the specs sound closer to the PT57A (Murray version)... from the RA and string pattern perspective...
 
Irvin

Irvin

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Classic-TXP-IG MID said:
Do you prefer the 16M as it gives you more spin potential and power? The RA is a couple points lower, but I'm not sure whether that would be particularly noticeable... it does make the specs sound closer to the PT57A (Murray version)... from the RA and string pattern perspective...
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I like the feel a little better
 
Strawbewwy

Strawbewwy

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The 2013 versions are silicone filled, right? what's the difference between silicone vs foam? debating if i should hunt for a 2013 still or wait and bite for the new ones when they get cheaper

if i remember correctly the stiffness on 2013 16m was lower than the 2013 18m, but it looks like the new ones are both 62ra.
 
El_Yotamo

El_Yotamo

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Strawbewwy said:
The 2013 versions are silicone filled, right? what's the difference between silicone vs foam? debating if i should hunt for a 2013 still or wait and bite for the new ones when they get cheaper

if i remember correctly the stiffness on 2013 16m was lower than the 2013 18m, but it looks like the new ones are both 62ra.
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Silicone is generally softer than foam, and absorbs vibrations better from what I've heard.
 
BaronVonSlam

BaronVonSlam

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just as a quick update (if anyone was interested), i have now had the chance to get some more time in with this racquet and i am still really impressed. the vibration dampening is noticeable albeit not overly muted like some of the Wilson CV or Graphene XT (Speed Pro) models i have hit. i tried adding some weight and a leather grip to one of them - i may still tweak a little here and there, but honestly the way it plays in stock form suits my game fine. As a side note - i used the technifibre leather grip which i came to realize is meaningfully thinner than the stock technifibre grip the racquet came with. it's not a bit of a tweener in that one overgrip feels too small, but 2 overgrips feels a bit big. oh well.
 
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AllCourtHeathen

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Strawbewwy said:
The 2013 versions are silicone filled, right? what's the difference between silicone vs foam? debating if i should hunt for a 2013 still or wait and bite for the new ones when they get cheaper

if i remember correctly the stiffness on 2013 16m was lower than the 2013 18m, but it looks like the new ones are both 62ra.
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There's just a dab in the handles in the older tecs, from what ive seen. Not filled. silicon is pretty heavy, racquet would be like 400gms if whole frame was filled.
 
Irvin

Irvin

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Before stringing my new LTD I wanted to have the Tecnifibre eyelets at the head of the racket. I doubt it makes much difference but I usually use a starting knot and I have had very good luck with the eyelets. I was sorry to see the new DC LTDs did not come with eyelets, so I put one in at the top left where my starting knot will be. No drilling required but i did have to put a little Rem Oil on the eyelet and snip off the grommet. I'm thinking now I will put 6 in (one for each tie location) just so the racket looks balanced. Now I have to measure all the string lengths later for proportional stringing and I will be set.
 
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Yaki

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How is the power of the 16m version compared to wilson ultra 100? Since i have not mastered topspin enought, i feel as the ultra giving me too much power, looking for something softer to use with full bed of poly.
Thanks
 
chay337

chay337

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Irvin said:
Before stringing my new LTD I wanted to have the Tecnifibre eyelets at the head of the racket. I doubt it makes much difference but I usually use a starting knot and I have had very good luck with the eyelets. I was sorry to see the new DC LTDs did not come with eyelets, so I put one in at the top left where my starting knot will be. No drilling required but i did have to put a little Rem Oil on the eyelet and snip off the grommet. I'm thinking now I will put 6 in (one for each tie location) just so the racket looks balanced. Now I have to measure all the string lengths later for proportional stringing and I will be set.
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Show off the finished look. Let's see it! :)
 
chay337

chay337

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I have 9 315 Limited 16M Originals in 3/8 RA59. Some unopened. Would trade for couple new ones. :)
 
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Irvin

Irvin

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Tennisist said:
Wow! Where did you get the eyelets? Is possible to buy them?
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You can't buy them individually they come with must of the new grommet sets. TFights are red, old TFlashes were green and the new TFlashes are blue
 
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Irvin

Irvin

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chay337 said:
Show off the finished look. Let's see it! :)
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LOL problem is it's not finished but here is what it looks like right now:
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I changed out the pallet on the racket because it was a 2 and I wanted a 4. When I changed the pallet I use a Volkl pallet and butt cap which is much lower than the original so I added nails in the butt to get the weight back to 314.98then added an overwrap and string.

That gave me 337.9 g, bal 30.9, SW of 304.5 and MgR/I of 21.34. Those figures may be off a little they are from memory. Then I added mass at 12 to get to 342.7 g, bal 31.5 cm, SW 321.6, and MgR/I of 21.03. I figure that leave me a little room to play around. I plan to tune the racket by taking small amounts of weight off the top rather than adding mass to the top of the grip. When I'm done I'll put the mass under the grommet strip.

EDIT: Because of the tie off location on the long grommet strip at 4T I decided not to put eyelets at the bottom
 
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Irvin

Irvin

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If any one is interested I listed the proportional string tensions below. I rounded them off to 0.5 lbs because that is the increments on my machine. I used the Stringway online TA to come up with 58.0 lbs for mains and 53.4 lbs for crosses. Then measured the length of all the strings (only 8 mains assuming like mains are symmetrical and all crosses) and proportionally dropped the tension on the outer strings dependent on length of the string. As I said before all tension are rounded off to the nearest 0.5 lb.

"M string tension"
58.0, 57.5, 56.5, 55.0, 52.0, 48.5, 44.0 and 38.0 (mains 1-8)

"X string tension "
36.5, 42.5, 46.0, 48.5, 50.0, 51.5, 52.5, 53.0, 53.5, 53.0, 52.5, 52.0, 51.0, 50.0, 48.5, 46.0, 44.5, 42.0, and 38.5 (Crosses top to bottom)

EDIT: Also when stringing the mains I skipped the 7th mains and strung them last (Yonex loop) so the tie off is closer to the clamp and the outer main is not tied off.

EDIT: Also the length of the racket was less than 1 mm shorter than 27" before and after stringing.
 
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chay337

chay337

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Irvin said:
If any one is interested I listed the proportional string tensions below. I rounded them off to 0.5 lbs because that is the increments on my machine. I used the Stringway online TA to come up with 58.0 lbs for mains and 53.4 lbs for crosses. Then measured the length of all the strings (only 8 mains assuming like mains are symmetrical and all crosses) and proportionally dropped the tension on the outer strings dependent on length of the string. As I said before all tension are rounded off to the nearest 0.5 lb.

"M string tension"
58.0, 57.5, 56.5, 55.0, 52.0, 48.5, 44.0 and 38.0 (mains 1-8)

"X string tension "
36.5, 42.5, 46.0, 48.5, 50.0, 51.5, 52.5, 53.0, 53.5, 53.0, 52.5, 52.0, 51.0, 50.0, 48.5, 46.0, 44.5, 42.0, and 38.5 (Crosses top to bottom)

EDIT: Also when stringing the mains I skipped the 7th mains and strung them last (Yonex loop) so the tie off is closer to the clamp and the outer main is not tied off.

EDIT: Also the length of the racket was less than 1 mm shorter than 27" before and after stringing.
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I've been stringing at 51/51 lately. It's around 60 degrees here in the East coast.
 
Irvin

Irvin

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chay337 said:
I've been stringing at 51/51 lately. It's around 60 degrees here in the East coast.
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I used to string my Limited frames from 54-56 lbs w/same tension in the mains and crosses. Proportional stringing patterns (because the tension drop the farther you get from center) seem to feel softer so I go up a little on the center strings. Lately I've been using the suggested tension for a DT of 37 on the Stringway TA for all my rackets. Before I would use a DT of 34 and use the suggested tension for all mains and crosses.

Here in the southern part of the east coast it's still in the 70s and 80s. LOL Terrible tennis weather though because the sun is just too bright.
 
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mavsman149

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Irvin said:
LOL problem is it's not finished but here is what it looks like right now:
IMG_1358.jpg

I changed out the pallet on the racket because it was a 2 and I wanted a 4. When I changed the pallet I use a Volkl pallet and butt cap which is much lower than the original so I added nails in the butt to get the weight back to 314.98then added an overwrap and string.

That gave me 337.9 g, bal 30.9, SW of 304.5 and MgR/I of 21.34. Those figures may be off a little they are from memory. Then I added mass at 12 to get to 342.7 g, bal 31.5 cm, SW 321.6, and MgR/I of 21.03. I figure that leave me a little room to play around. I plan to tune the racket by taking small amounts of weight off the top rather than adding mass to the top of the grip. When I'm done I'll put the mass under the grommet strip.

EDIT: Because of the tie off location on the long grommet strip at 4T I decided not to put eyelets at the bottom
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Are you liking this one better or worse than the 2013?
 
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mark1

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I finally hit with my two 315 ltd 2013 18x20 and was impressed. Ton of spin strung with alu power 16L at 48 lbs. plenty of power too.

Nice soft feel with a good flex. Feels more flexible than a redondo.

Everything felt great but serves which were just ok. Just need more time to dial in.

My forehand was jumping off the court, I typically hit a very heavy spinny ball. and this was as spin friendly as anything I've used probably due to headlight balance and low flex.

Very happy, no plans to take them out of my bag.
 
zalive

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Comment on Ltd's as platform racquets:

Well, if anything, modern pro tennis racquets profiled in a direction of being pretty much polarized, with lots of silicone in the handle and 12 o'clock lead used pretty much by any pro wherever there's data about it. Obvious consequence is those racquets will have a high SW and a high RW, while static weight won't be necessary high. Which is logical: power, solidity and stability come from SW and RW, while static weight is just somehow necessary burden.

It's not hard to conclude that use of mass present in the middle of the racquet is limited. And that presence of bigger portion of mass in the middle of the racquet (top of the handle, the throat and the lower hoop) is just the unnecessary burden, when we're talking about platforms.

While at the same time Tecnifibre makes their Ltds exactly opposite, having more mass in the middle of the racquet than on the poles, which is completely contradictory with the whole philosophy of making platforms and allowing customizing them to polarized setups.

Because of this I avoided falling into temptation of actually getting any of Ltds.
 
coolschreiber

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mark1 said:
I finally hit with my two 315 ltd 2013 18x20 and was impressed. Ton of spin strung with alu power 16L at 48 lbs. plenty of power too.

Nice soft feel with a good flex. Feels more flexible than a redondo.

Everything felt great but serves which were just ok. Just need more time to dial in.

My forehand was jumping off the court, I typically hit a very heavy spinny ball. and this was as spin friendly as anything I've used probably due to headlight balance and low flex.

Very happy, no plans to take them out of my bag.
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I find I get most spin from my 18m Ltd. Might sound counter intuitive but I find I get more spin when I hit THROUGH the ball with a loose grip.... Nice relaxed stroke. Gives the racquet a chance to flex and pocket the ball... Imparting all those rpms.
 
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stylez_911

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Can anyone comment on whether the new LTD 2.0 is as demanding as the original in terms of small sweet spot and low power? I am looking for a low power racquet but found the original sweet spot to be tiny and couldn't hit clean very often (probably due to poor form), but I love the specs of the limited and thinking of trying the 18M. I thought I would see if anyone else can comment on the size of sweet spot and playability vs the original.

Thanks!
 
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ae1222

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I finally got mine back fully customized and got a few hours of hitting in and here are my initial thoughts of the new 16x19 LTD vs the original:

They did make some subtle changes to the frame but it still looks and feels to be the exact same mold as the original. I have mine extended to 27.5” and weighted up to 357g strung at 31.5 cm balance.

From the ground the frames feel very similar but with a few small differences. Some have commented the sweet spot is smaller on the new version but I think it is about the same size, but it took me awhile to find it because in my opinion it is in a different spot. On the new version it feels like it is slightly higher in the string bed which took some time to get used to. Once I did the frame felt better and I was back to hitting my normal ball. For most shots my depth, spin and power were the same as with the original.

You can tell the frame is just slightly stiffer than the original, but not by much. It also seems a little more dampened, it took me a bit to get used to the fact they do have a different sound when you hit the ball. But you do get a decent flex in the frame when you hit the sweet spot. I hate to use the word, but the new version feels somewhat brassy to me compared to the original (don’t know another word to describe that feeling).

Volleys and serves and the same feel, a lot like the original just with a slightly different sound and feel. All in All I can switch back and forth easily and play about the same, just takes a minute to adjust for the sweet spot. I need more time with the frame to get a better feel for it, but in my opinion it is the same frame with just some minor tweaks done to it.
 
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Eastman

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Thank you, this is very helpful. I am glad I stocked up the old Ltd at a low price. As it appears the new model is not worthwhile the higher price.
 
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