Denis Shapovalov to Yonex
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Karma Tennis
Legend
You're right. Federer has never used a 95 in official matches. He did use a 90 with a 95 PJ at one point.
But he did use 95 shoes ...
https://www.**************.org/tenn...federer-promotes-the-new-air-max-rf-95-shoes/
(tennis world usa dot org)
But he did use 95 shoes ...
https://www.**************.org/tenn...federer-promotes-the-new-air-max-rf-95-shoes/
(tennis world usa dot org)
Karma Tennis,
Seems You think You have a high level of expertise, possible master level?
What is Your expertise based upon? Who is Your master teacher?
If You are such an expert, why not contact the folks at IMG where Denis resides during off-season, trains and maybe You can get in contact with his coach, trainer or Nick himself?
Maybe You are good enough to get hired?!
Karma Tennis
Legend
@NTFIII, 99% of people who play tennis have never bothered to read this book ...
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Technical_Tennis/descpage-TECHTENNIS.html
The 1% that have, and understand it, have figured out that tennis equipment is actually quite simple.
The main point of tennis is to win matches, and to win a lot more matches than you lose. Denis isn't winning a lot of matches at the moment.
You don't need to be an expert to figure that one out.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.
McEncock
Professional
Lol. So you belong to the 1%, and the 99% have no clue. Let me tell you something : if you really think that Denise's main adjustement (even saying "problem" would be out of the reality, as he already is a fantastic player) is the racquet head size, you are member of the 1% very exclusive club of morons of the morons. Nice achievement. What the hell? This is a tennis forum, everybody knows the theory you have spent hours of reading to understand.
Karma Tennis
Legend
I love it when people start misquoting others (I never said anything about the 99% apart from the point that they hadn't read the book! And given the number of tennis players on the planet, in all likelihood, it's closer to 99.9%!).
Also love it when people resort to abuse in an attempt to assert themselves. Speaks volumes.
Sooner Denis moves up to a 97 or 98 isometric, or 98 or 100 trad. the sooner he will start winning more matches. (Just like some guy called Federer did!)
Also love it when people resort to abuse in an attempt to assert themselves. Speaks volumes.
Sooner Denis moves up to a 97 or 98 isometric, or 98 or 100 trad. the sooner he will start winning more matches. (Just like some guy called Federer did!)
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dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
Do we have any info on his specs yet?
Seems pretty pointless that this head size argument is dominating this thread. I don't think anyone is convincing anyone else.
Seems pretty pointless that this head size argument is dominating this thread. I don't think anyone is convincing anyone else.
paulie-japan
Rookie
I don't know where you get the recipe for disaster!? I use a 90 inch with a SW of 350...it's fine...and I am sure Shapo is a lot more talented than me...
Karma Tennis
Legend
Agree 100%. So I will stop pontificating about Shapo's racquet specs until they are confirmed by him directly.
Regardless, I still hold the view that hoop sizes (from 97 to 100) are more effective in the modern game than any other hoop size.
BTW, the most successful NextGen Player to date is Alexander Zverev. What hoop size is he using?
Cheers
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Karma Tennis
Legend
Well I would still love to know his exact specs.
Time will tell. But it will be very interesting to see what he does with his equipment if his performance remains at the same level or drops.
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paulie-japan
Rookie
His Wilson was a 95 too though, yeah?
Karma Tennis
Legend
Apparently. But he played with that mostly through his junior years didn't he?
A player doesn't feel as much pressure during his junior years as he would as an ATP Professional, would he? The competition wouldn't be as tough as juniors don't have to compete against experienced seasoned Professional players, would they?
Why would Denis jump off Wilson and go to Yonex after many many years? Answer is obvious, isn't it? (Tomic did the same thing. Kyrgios did the same thing. Novak did too. Only Federer and Nadal have stayed true to their brands. But even Federer has upsized!)
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
LOL. He jumped to Yonex because they offered him the most money. Any really good player can play with any racket once they get dialled in so 90% of them go where the most sponsorship money comes from. You only have a few years to make money in the game so you maximize profits. It's totally naive to suggest he switched over to Yonex from Wilson for performance reasons.
Wilson is laying out big money for established stars like Fed and Williams, they likely are waiting for the next big time player to sponsor. Yonex is grabbing next gen small country players hoping to hit it big if they become something like maybe Osaka.
I can tell you that a ton of Canadian juniors are using Yonex frames these days so going young is helping them in that market. Still see the old vets at the club with Wilson, Head and Babolat. But the kids are following the kids on tour.
And really assuming 2 Sq In of frame size makes a bit of difference is really out there as far as a thought process goes. Pros have competed with 107 sq in rackets going against 85 sq in rackets and neither had an advantage. 98-100 isn't the Golden Ratio or anything like that. It's a compromise.
Karma Tennis
Legend
LOL. Very pleased to see that you agree with me
He certainly didn't switch to Yonex for performance reasons since his performances have been pretty poor using the Yonex stick.
It's exactly the same in Oz! But most of the juniors here have gone to the DR98 because of Kyrgios.
Now that De Minaur and Popyrin are starting to get more air-time, I imagine we will see a bit of a resurgence for Wilson. And the rusted on Rafa fans continue to forge ahead with their Babolats.
The fact it is a "compromise" is why I suggest it IS a "Golden Ratio".
I'm looking into my "Crystal Ball" (lol) and I see a future where world tennis is dominated by players using 97, 98 and 100 hoops. The modern junior player is becoming much more of an All Court player. They will wield the racquet that serves that style the best. Unless of course the ITF changes the rules
The THREE most talked about racquets in the past three years have been the Pure Aero, the Pure Strike, and now the Wilson Clash. (None of them are 95s!)
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
The fact it is a "compromise" is why I suggest it IS a "Golden Ratio".
I'm looking into my "Crystal Ball" (lol) and I see a future where world tennis is dominated by players using 97, 98 and 100 hoops. The modern junior player is becoming much more of an All Court player. They will wield the racquet that serves that style the best. Unless of course the ITF changes the rules
The question remains is that marketing or is it performance. If the brands that sponsor the best players are marketing and manufacturing more 97-100 inch frames, then it goes to reason more players will be using them since they dominate the market. If more people are using them then it stands to reason you'll see more good players with rackets of those sizes. Just purely by market penetration alone.
That being said, it is highly likely that 98-100 offers the best compromise for a modern baseline defender game and 95-97 offers the best compromise for the modern attacker game. That would make the most sense to me since once you enter the court, precision is more important than power. When you are behind the baseline power is more important that precision.
paulie-japan
Rookie
It all depends on who is advising the top juniors or the youth who are aiming to become big in the sport. They aren't going to go down to their local tennis shop and pick something off the shelf without getting input from their coach or the experienced people around them (that is providing the experienced people around them have sense). Maybe I am wrong, but they would have been advised by their coaches or people around them based on their playstyle/strokes/technique etc...and that is why we can see a lot of nextgen using 95-97 frames...
paulie-japan
Rookie
Anything is possible
Was just reading everything you said and all I can say is Y I K E S
You do realise that the next gen players don't have as much variety and access to 95 square inch frames yeah? So that comment about them choosing a 100 inch frame is redundant as they don't really have many options...
Racquet sizes used by an opponent makes hardly any difference, it's just personal preference. But there are players that use 95 square inches such as delpo who has one of the largest forehands on tour, Edmund who I believe had one of the highest rpm forehands during the US open.
Also
"So Denis might reach his physical peak and achieve maximum level of kinetic energy when released-uncoiled. But you cannot argue with the known Laws of Physics. If Denis uses a stiffer racquet with a larger hoop size, he will achieve a higher level of rebound energy and will generate more powerful balls. "
There's so much more to winning then tennis lol, I can't argue with the laws of physics about what you just said but he'll also create more powerful balls if he strung his racquet about 30 pounds.
Either way, I don't think power is an issue at all with Shapo...
The fact that you're arguing about racquet head sizes being the cause for players being less succesful then others just shows how little you actually know about playing tennis...
Karma Tennis
Legend
Refer below!
I will take Brody, Cross and Lindsey any day. Everything I'm suggesting is information I've directly gleaned from their work. Everything they say addresses all your points above. I'm not going to bother to go over very very old ground wish someone who does not appear to have done basic research.
And if you think Brody, Cross and Lindsey don't know much about tennis, pray tell us why?
(If Federer listened to "players" like you, he would still only have 18 Major Titles. Fortunately, he listened to racquet technicians rather than players.)
Regards!
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dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
Even the SV95 mold could be considered a modification of the 95D mold. Some even attribute the SV95 as the spiritual successor to the 95D
paulie-japan
Rookie
No matter what it is...no one will get their hands on one...
Very few pros use a retail frame... That's the world we live in.
Christ...
Your information seems logical and sound in regards but the way you describe it inferring that the reason he isn't winning due to headsizes of racquets is absolutely ridiculous. Surely you're a troll...
Racquet technicians help and assist the player to create a frame that THE PLAYER wants. Not you, the player...
Majority of your posts have just been trash talking and inferring that the racquet is to blame for him not being successful, do you realise how stupid that sounds?
But at the same time no surprise that you'd think such a thing. After all you did say that there aren't any good players with 95 square inch head sizes
People should play with what they like. Making a switch mid career between a tight tournament schedule is just stupid and is a recipe for disaster... The mental aspect, muscle memory etc etc all play a factor which are MUCH MUCH more important in tennis.
If you genuinely aren't trolling and think that the reason why someone doesn't have success like Federer, then that's just silly and putting wayy too much emphasis on rackets lol
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
Best we can hope for is a leaky stringer at IW
lacoster
Professional
Karma Tennis
Legend
Indeed Yonex is the only racquet brand that has sponsored Nick and the only one that Nick has ever endorsed!
Is this a Yonex racquet? ...
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com...14-07-02-at-2-04-17-pm.png?w=660&h=422&crop=1
What about this one? ...
https://images.thewest.com.au/publication/YA-373501/429274728-19r8v1l.jpg
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Karma Tennis
Legend
It's not MY information. It is the conclusions of Brody, Cross and Lindsey!
Denis is not getting the results he is capable of at the moment. IMO, it is mainly because of his equipment. And the reasoning can be found in works like "The Physics and Technology of Tennis" and layman's version "Technical Tennis: Racquets, Strings, Balls, Courts, Spin, and Bounce".
I don't think I did.
Anyway, Denis's current record and stats speak for themselves. Afaic, he is underachieving given the results of some of his peers.
Will happily reconsider my position regarding Denis's use of seemingly 95 hoops when he starts winning Big Titles and maintains a position into the ATP Top 5 for a reasonable period of time.
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paulie-japan
Rookie
The only player considered NextGen in the top 5 is Zverev, no? Denis's ranking has been rising every year he's been a pro....the big results are not there yet, but I think it is a mental/experience thing. And the fact that Denis was using a 95 before he switched to another 95 doesn't really support anything that you are saying about changing to a smaller hoop!
We shall see what he produces this year results wise...
Karma Tennis
Legend
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IMO, none of the players that are over 19yo can be considered NextGen anymore.
I've already admitted my mistake about Denis moving from 97 to 95. He has been using a 95 for much of his tennis playing life. We certainly shall see what he produces this season soon enough. (I wonder when his existing racquet contract expires.)
BTW, have you seen the way Zverev is playing in Acapulco? He is hitting the ball pretty hard and pretty heavy.
lacoster
Professional
If that's your logic, then what is this racquet in Nadal's hand?
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1.....35i39j0i67.osuzsJl2gA0#imgrc=kTT6vUTI3vTwtM:
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
APD (no cortex)
Karma Tennis
Legend
That is the racquet Denis is going to move to if he crashes out of Indian Wells before the QF stage
You think he is underachieving... his results have not dropped. He is in the top 30, he isn’t even 20 years old yet (Zverev is turning 22 and Tsitsipas is turning 21 for comparison). These unrealistic expectations people have is crazy. Everyone isn’t Federer or Nadal. Denis’ trajectory is on course and he says himself he is ready to take the next step. It is more a case of execution for him. This will be his second full season at full ATP level. He actually hits a better ball with the Yonex and the 95 sq inch head size will allow him to continue playing his aggressive style
paulie-japan
Rookie
still an Sv95... But no one knows the specs.
anfield
Semi-Pro
Wawrinka does pretty well with a 95 (Yonex), then Murray, Cilic, Delpo, and isn't Djokers frame a 95 as well? I'm sure I'm missing some others, but these are all the recent major winners with a 95. And you can throw in Anderson as a finalist.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Wawrinka 33yo, Murray 31yo, Cilic 30yo, del Potro 30yo, Djokovic 31yo, Anderson 32yo.
Probably fair to say that all of these guys grew up using small hoops in an era when most were using small hoops.
I'm talking about Shapo. and I'm talking about the future of the Modern Game. I have nothing against small hoops. I just think the larger hoop sizes make it a lot easier for players to play a BIG Game consistently and to compete more easily with others doing the same.
I will be perfectly happy to be proven wrong. Let's see what happens once these guys and Federer have retired.
Probably fair to say that all of these guys grew up using small hoops in an era when most were using small hoops.
I'm talking about Shapo. and I'm talking about the future of the Modern Game. I have nothing against small hoops. I just think the larger hoop sizes make it a lot easier for players to play a BIG Game consistently and to compete more easily with others doing the same.
I will be perfectly happy to be proven wrong. Let's see what happens once these guys and Federer have retired.
anfield
Semi-Pro
I think I stated earlier that the SV95 is quite a powerful stick, with the aero shaped beam, 65RA and being isometric it plays almost like a 97. I owned for a while and when I needed more pop than what my Duel G 310g with lead gave me, I went to the what I considered to be my stinger missile, the SV95. The Vcore 95 feels significantly deader and not as powerful btw.
From what I can see is he's going back and forth between the two and maybe that's giving him some issues.
Karma Tennis
Legend
We had several SV95s. Two of us customised them in many different ways to see what they were capable of. IMO, they play NOTHING like any of the Yonex 97s or 97s from other manufacturers (eg Pro Staff 97). They are nowhere near as forgiving.
Could be. That might explain the wide variation in his performance over the past year. When he is on song, he is fantastic. But he just seems to be very inconsistent and I think it is his equipment. His latest match at Indian Well. He struggled to close out the match serving several double faults in the last game. Of course, he won it in the end and that is all that matters. But I can't help thinking that he would find it easier with a bigger hoop - assuming he was using the 95 during this match,
anfield
Semi-Pro
I saw him with the new Vcore 95, saw the aero trench, it was in the new PJ of dull red. Then I saw him with the same color but in glossy paint. I could not see enough detail to see the aero fins of the SV95, but normally when you see a glossy version of a current frame, it's a PJ. He's prolly missing the power of the SV95, the Vcore 95 feels a lot deader.
dr. godmode
Hall of Fame
I think the head size in getting to your head then. I use this racquet and find it very forgiving. I am aware the twistweight is a little low but when I was buying racquets, it was between this and the Blade and I didn't find much difference in forgiveness. In stock form it is surely more forgiving than the tiny sweet spot of a PS97.
paulie-japan
Rookie
Where exactly did you see this? Any photo of him playing or practising, he has had the SV95 with the new paintjob and no aero trench. You must have been pretty close to see it. His coach has the new VCore 95. Are yoiu sure it wasn't his coach's racket?
Karma Tennis
Legend
Another disappointing loss to Shapo. at IW. Was beaten by Hubert Hurkacz who also has a Yonex contract and uses VCore Pro 97.
I hope Denis is trialing 97s. Sooner he moves to one the better IMO.
I hope Denis is trialing 97s. Sooner he moves to one the better IMO.
paulie-japan
Rookie
Whatever dude....you ignore his dismantling of Cilic... And just focus on his bad results.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Karma Tennis
Legend
My BIGGER THAN 95 SQUARE INCH HOOP power flurries through the air into the ground
My soul is spiraling in frozen fractals all around
And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
I'm never going back, the 95 SQUARE INCH HOOPed past is in the past
... Let The Storm Rage On.
And in spite of all the chat on Social Media and the like, even Elsa prefers at least a 97 !!!
My soul is spiraling in frozen fractals all around
And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
I'm never going back, the 95 SQUARE INCH HOOPed past is in the past
... Let The Storm Rage On.
And in spite of all the chat on Social Media and the like, even Elsa prefers at least a 97 !!!
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