Denis Shapovalov to Yonex

SpinToWin

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He really struggled against Federer today. Both his Serve and his BH were really "Off". Just couldn't deal with Federer's power of shot.
Looked tired, and it's not Federer's power of shot I'd wager, but his court position and contact point in the court taking time away. Plus the added pressure of playing your "idol"
 

SpinToWin

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That is one thing I will agree to about Shapo..when his timing is even slightly off, he struggles...he needs to start "winning ugly" as Brad Gilbert would put it. But when he is on, he can be unbeatable. He is still one of my favourite NextGens all the same
It's a side effect of the really clean and loose technique. When his timing is a smidgen off things go bad real fast.
 

SpinToWin

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It's a side effect of the really clean and loose technique. When his timing is a smidgen off things go bad real fast.
I will say, it seems to me that he could make the area of good contact on his strokes a smidgen larger by extending into the shot a bit more (more so on the forehand though). That's just a superficial observation though, and may be mistaken.
 

dr. godmode

Professional
100% agree with your assessment. Great stick. incredible feel and control. im on the fence about getting a pair.
The SV95 is an excellent weapon. I used these for a while and have switched to the VCORE 95. I think the VC are better all around frames than the SV's. I weighted them up to about 350g, 340SW and I don't notice a huge difference in power as noted by many other users. They have the same generally feel, but the VC just feels more naturally stable and has a more consistent string bed. The SV has a weird hot spot just below the middle of the racquet that completely launches the ball.

If you are looking for standard use frames, I'd get a pair of VCORE 95's and skip the SV. If you just want one because it is a sick frame that could be collectable for Shapo appeal, get the SV95.
 
Can someone tell me the hoop size of Struff's Head Extreme racquet?

He literally blew Denis and his SV95 off the court at Monte Carlo today.
 

McEncock

Semi-Pro
I don't know, but I surely know that Rublev is 95sq/inching my beloved Fognini and his 98/100 sq/inch racquet atm. Sad but true.
 
Can someone tell me the hoop size of Struff's Head Extreme racquet?

He literally blew Denis and his SV95 off the court at Monte Carlo today.
Why does size matter so much to you? Can't you accept that most people are human and play well some weeks and not others. It's nothing to do with head size. It's how well they are moving or how well they're seeing the ball. I'd say if I was moving well, in the groove, I'd destroy you with my Angell TC90...and if you were playing well, you'd probably beat me with your larger frame..whatever you use....it doesn't really matter. The fact of the matter is, if I change to a bigger frame, it isn't gonna make me suddenly play better
 
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DTdragons645

New User
100% agree with your assessment. Great stick. incredible feel and control. im on the fence about getting a pair.
I just pulled the trigger on an SV95 a week ago after a promising demo period from TE. I put some lead tape in the handle and at 3 & 9 on the hoop and it went from a pretty good racquet to a solid, amazing one. With a full bed of poly at a pretty high tension I can rip a lot of groundstrokes, and the volleys and serves that come off this thing are ridiculous. Also helps that TE had it on a great sale price, so keep that in mind.
 

TforTommy

Semi-Pro
Can someone tell me the hoop size of Struff's Head Extreme racquet?

He literally blew Denis and his SV95 off the court at Monte Carlo today.
This is literally the most cringe post i've read on here LOL

Reading this I can just imagine you at a tennis court with your fellow social rec players

"the reason why you're shanking balls is because you need a bigger headsize!!11!"
 
The fact of the matter is, if in change Tina bigger frame, it isn't gonna make me suddenly play better
@paulie-japan, I think a certain Roger Federer would probably disagree with you.

Did you watch the Shapo. - Struff match?

Shapo. was moving fine. Too many Double Faults, too many errors on the BH. Signature stats for a small hoop player under pressure associated with a severe defeat. (Unless he was suffering from fatigue or an injury. But it didn't look like it.)

Shapo. is a BIG HITTER. He needs bigger margins for error in the big time.

Of course, this all assumes that Denis is using a 95. That is yet to be confirmed 100%.
 

TforTommy

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@paulie-japan, I think a certain Roger Federer would probably disagree with you.

Did you watch the Shapo. - Struff match?

Shapo. was moving fine. Too many Double Faults, too many errors on the BH. Signature stats for a small hoop player under pressure associated with a severe defeat. (Unless he was suffering from fatigue or an injury. But it didn't look like it.)

Shapo. is a BIG HITTER. He needs bigger margins for error in the big time.

Of course, this all assumes that Denis is using a 95. That is yet to be confirmed 100%.
I watched it. We must've been watching a different match because struff was playing angles and deep balls and often shapo would be late on contact thus calling some shanks. From what I saw struff was producing many winners

Also are you really comparing 90 inch to 97 with 95 to 98?...

Also without evidence that he's using a 95 still then your whole theory is completely off? You're the one that said he was using a 98 because you could tell from looking at in on the tv
 
often shapo would be late on contact thus calling some shanks.
Smaller Hoop!

struff was producing many winners
Bigger Hoop.

Also without evidence that he's using a 95 still then your whole theory is completely off?
Probably. But until we know for sure, we have to assume he uses a 95 because he endorses a 95 rather than a 98 or 100 which would be better suited to the general public.

you're the one that said he was using a 98 because you could tell from looking at in on the tv
I said it looked like it might be a 98. You latched on to that and then ignored the follow up discussion.

Anyway, regardless ... Shapo. played rubbish the other night against an opponent he should be beating all the time. I blame his racquet. You can blame whatever you like but don't diss me for having an opinion.

I respect you opinions. Perhaps you should at least be considerate, even if you don't agree.
 

TforTommy

Semi-Pro
Smaller Hoop!

I respect you opinions. Perhaps you should at least be considerate, even if you don't agree.
If you respect others opinions why continue to argue and create bait for others to continue arguing?

Not sure how you can possible blame the racquet. Do you also blame your racquet when you lose a match at socials or whatever you play? Or do you have a 100% win rate because you make sure you have the largest headsize on the court. (As in racquet headsize, couldn't possibly imagine something else lol)
 
the largest headsize on the court. (As in racquet headsize, couldn't possibly imagine something else lol)
See, this is what I mean. Dis-respectful and condescending.

Everything I'm saying is backed up by science. Do some proper research.

But well done, you've hounded me out of this thread for good.

Cheers to the Rest.
 

TforTommy

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See, this is what I mean. Dis-respectful and condescending.

Everything I'm saying is backed up by science. Do some proper research.

But well done, you've hounded me out of this thread for good.

Cheers to the Rest.
Everything that we said is not only backed up by science but common knowledge too. Tennis is as much of a mental game as a physical game, gear such as a racquet headsize ie changing from a 95 to a 97 does not stop you from shanking balls.

Sweet man, i'll probably see you on another thread arguing that so and so player needs another head size

Ciao Karma
 
In my experience, shanking comes from taking your eye off the ball at the last second...or misreading the spin or bound of the ball.
I use a 90 and don't shank much unless I am out of practice or just not focussed on the ball enough. People stick to what they like. I did try the SV95, in fact, I had a custom fit one made from Yonex Japan at 335g and 305mm balance, and it was sweet to hit with, but I always go back to my 90.
 

SpinToWin

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Shanking is a timing issue not a head size issue. Shaps has low margins for errors on his strokes, which doesn’t jive well with the game on clay. Unless he finds a different playing style on the surface, he’ll be susceptible to such early losses throughout his career.
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
Shanking is a timing issue not a head size issue. Shaps has low margins for errors on his strokes, which doesn’t jive well with the game on clay. Unless he finds a different playing style on the surface, he’ll be susceptible to such early losses throughout his career.
So if the terms in the following link are relevant, he tends to hit with a low incident angle so increasing the spin window would not have the same benefit as if he hit with a more open face with a long contact area?

http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/trajectory_info.php
 

SpinToWin

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moon shot

Hall of Fame
The increase in spin window is greatly exaggerated. But I don’t think much of these models as equivocations with real play anyhow.
Yeah, even in the lab beam thickness increases that come with head size often negate any increase in spin window you would expect from increases in head size.

Head XT Prestige Rev Pro ≈ Yonex Ai98
Wilson Pro Staff 95S ≈ Babolat Pure Drive Lite
Donnay X-Dual Platinum 94 ≈ Babolat Pure Aero
Dunlop Aerogel 100 ≈ Wilson RF97
 
Yeah, even in the lab beam thickness increases that come with head size often negate any increase in spin window you would expect from increases in head size.

Head XT Prestige Rev Pro ≈ Yonex Ai98
Wilson Pro Staff 95S ≈ Babolat Pure Drive Lite
Donnay X-Dual Platinum 94 ≈ Babolat Pure Aero
Dunlop Aerogel 100 ≈ Wilson RF97
The Dunlop Aerogel 100 was a great stick!!
 

McEncock

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What's your reaction about 93 sq/inch Dimitrov win on unknown racquet Struff? I think the only plausible explanation is that Struffe's headsize surface has reduced from the previous match.
@Karma Tennis
 

SpinToWin

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The increase in spin window is greatly exaggerated. But I don’t think much of these models as equivocations with real play anyhow.
@moon shot as to what Shap does that results in this: first is his aggressive play style. He really goes for his shots, from all areas of the court. This leads to increased shanks when he’s on the defensive and pressed for time in particular. Second I’d wager that he has a smaller zone of good contact relative to other players. If you extend into the stroke you’ll tend to have a larger zone where your shot connects well. Shaps seems to have reduced that area for more acceleration. The trade off is easier penetration/power/spin but more difficult timing. I’m not 100% on the second one, it’s how it seems to me from some match play and his practice sessions, but the first one is a huge factor for sure.

The lab results are bad for such real-play speculations because they assume a constant incoming ball, no requirements for movement on the player’s side, and basically identical stroke form in kind (the only thing that differs is speed of the stroke, angle of the racquet face, and its trajectory moving into the shot, but there are many more ways to view a shot that are important).
 

SpinToWin

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@moon shot as to what Shap does that results in this: first is his aggressive play style. He really goes for his shots, from all areas of the court. This leads to increased shanks when he’s on the defensive and pressed for time in particular. Second I’d wager that he has a smaller zone of good contact relative to other players. If you extend into the stroke you’ll tend to have a larger zone where your shot connects well. Shaps seems to have reduced that area for more acceleration. The trade off is easier penetration/power/spin but more difficult timing. I’m not 100% on the second one, it’s how it seems to me from some match play and his practice sessions, but the first one is a huge factor for sure.

The lab results are bad for such real-play speculations because they assume a constant incoming ball, no requirements for movement on the player’s side, and basically identical stroke form in kind (the only thing that differs is speed of the stroke, angle of the racquet face, and its trajectory moving into the shot, but there are many more ways to view a shot that are important).
Another thing particular to clay: bounces are less consistent, and aggressive early strikers find it much harder to play their game. One of the core drills I used to do on clay was to be forced not to be set up for the shot too early, so that I could react to the bounce. This means standing further back and having active footwork till the end with many smaller steps. I think Shaps has less active footwork in that regard, his strength lies in big strides instead. That’s great on predictable hard, but translates less well to clay I think. Combine all these factors and it just shows that Shaps’ game is not quite yet well adjusted to the surface.
 

TforTommy

Semi-Pro
In my experience, shanking comes from taking your eye off the ball at the last second...or misreading the spin or bound of the ball.
I use a 90 and don't shank much unless I am out of practice or just not focussed on the ball enough. People stick to what they like. I did try the SV95, in fact, I had a custom fit one made from Yonex Japan at 335g and 305mm balance, and it was sweet to hit with, but I always go back to my 90.
Hey paulie, what was the main difference between the sv and vcore 95
 
Hey paulie, what was the main difference between the sv and vcore 95
The SV feels more solid and stiffer, which I like more. The vcore does seem to be more powerful. My opponent commented on how much heavier my strokes were when I used the vcore. I am going to fiddle around with the Swingweight a little and test it some more.
 

TforTommy

Semi-Pro
The SV feels more solid and stiffer, which I like more. The vcore does seem to be more powerful. My opponent commented on how much heavier my strokes were when I used the vcore. I am going to fiddle around with the Swingweight a little and test it some more.
Wow that's interesting. On the tennis warehouse video reviews they said the sv95 was very powerful but the new 95 was "extremely low powered"

is that true? Thanks, just trying to weigh up if i should get the sv or the new one
 
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Wow that's interesting. On the tennis warehouse video reviews they said the sv95 was very powerful but the sv95 was "extremely low powered"

is that true? Thanks, just trying to weigh up if i should get the sv or the new one
I usually use an Angell TC90 V3, so the sv95 was quite powerful, but I can understand that it's less powerful than other frames. I like generating my power, so it's nice for me
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Shanking is a timing issue not a head size issue. Shaps has low margins for errors on his strokes, which doesn’t jive well with the game on clay. Unless he finds a different playing style on the surface, he’ll be susceptible to such early losses throughout his career.
Just saw his match against Paire today (ATP250 Lyon), and this is spot on.
It's def not the head size that is the main reason he loses matches nowadays.

He goes too big with his swing, and is too fluid or loose. Funny enough, so does Paire on the FH side as well (way too loose).
Imo, Shapo needs to be more grounded and stable in his footwork.
To me, this is often the case with lefties as it seems they're often gifted with great touch and feel.
 
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