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veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I hope Nadal and Djokovic suffer absolutely brutal bone crushing losses over and over again until the end of their careers...They need to feel the same pain and agony. I hope their fans go through intense pain and suffering due to their heroes losses.
Don't worry. All players lose. That's the rule of the game.
OTOH, if there were a lot more Fedovic matches, that would mean Fed's longevity would go off the charts even more, so not a bad prospect, even from Fed fans' point of view.;)
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Lets not go there. Being upset/angry/depressed over this outcome doesn't make a Federer fan less "real".
But nobody remembers second place. Federer handed this match on a silver platter for Djokovic. I didn’t think he was gonna win after blowing that.
Agree with you guys, I was so frustrated right after the match and still feeling the pain, but it is what it is. Federer didn't deserve to win after making so many simple mistakes against Djokovic. He should've won in 3. He had chances in every set and horrible forehand shanking kept on flowing. It was very tough to watch, personally, but he gave his all. I think this was his best chance at Wimbledon no.9, maybe his last, but I guess I should just hope he does a miracle during USO series. Winning Cincy and USO would make up for this for me.
 

Tcbtennis

Hall of Fame
At this point in his career Federer should seriously consider a sports psychologist to address how he falters when in this exact situation over and over again. I’m sure he’s never used one before because why would he. But obviously it’s something that he can’t overcome himself. So many athletes have employed them with great success. Fed’s physical game is still there even at his advanced age but his mentality when pressured against Djokovic is not. It just crumbles.

Serena needs one too.
 

FarFed

Rookie
At this point in his career Federer should seriously consider a sports psychologist to address how he falters when in this exact situation over and over again. I’m sure he’s never used one before because why would he. But obviously it’s something that he can’t overcome himself. So many athletes have employed them with great success. Fed’s physical game is still there even at his advanced age but his mentality when pressured against Djokovic is not. It just crumbles.

Serena needs one too.
Totally agree about the psychologist bit which I mentioned earlier too in the thread.

I was thinking a little more about this today. Thinking about it from Fed's perspective, he seems to have allowed emotions to rule i.e. too much burden of achievement regarding total Grand Slams. I appreciate that each GS is a very big bonus now in his life, but he seems to be fragile emotionally and placing burden of leaving behind an insurmountable legacy. That's just too much, because almost all his other tour players will surmount it (I think) - Nole and Rafa are not too far behind.
 

tudwell

Legend
Totally agree about the psychologist bit which I mentioned earlier too in the thread.

I was thinking a little more about this today. Thinking about it from Fed's perspective, he seems to have allowed emotions to rule i.e. too much burden of achievement regarding total Grand Slams. I appreciate that each GS is a very big bonus now in his life, but he seems to be fragile emotionally and placing burden of leaving behind an insurmountable legacy. That's just too much, because almost all his other tour players will surmount it (I think) - Nole and Rafa are not too far behind.
What’s annoying about this is how freely he played in 2017. At least the first half. He seemed so free of all his demons in Australia that year. Didn’t care if he dropped a set, he was back for the next one. Always willing to hit out no matter the score. It was so lovely. Now I think the effect of being so newly back from surgery, of feeling like he’s lucky just to be on court in the first place, has worn off and he’s back to his 2013-2016 days of getting super tight in big moments. Wish he could shake it off again.
 

FarFed

Rookie
What’s annoying about this is how freely he played in 2017. At least the first half. He seemed so free of all his demons in Australia that year. Didn’t care if he dropped a set, he was back for the next one. Always willing to hit out no matter the score. It was so lovely. Now I think the effect of being so newly back from surgery, of feeling like he’s lucky just to be on court in the first place, has worn off and he’s back to his 2013-2016 days of getting super tight in big moments. Wish he could shake it off again.
Yeah totally. Basically, letting go would be the key. There's no limit to the burden one can take on oneself.
He has to let go of this obsession - I think it's secretively an obsession to not be #2 or #3 in the final GS tally, but that's just my hunch - even though I am a huge Fed fan. He might appear cool-as-a-cucumber in media, but deep down, he knows he might end up just a spot above Sampras in the final tally.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
At this point in his career Federer should seriously consider a sports psychologist to address how he falters when in this exact situation over and over again. I’m sure he’s never used one before because why would he. But obviously it’s something that he can’t overcome himself. So many athletes have employed them with great success. Fed’s physical game is still there even at his advanced age but his mentality when pressured against Djokovic is not. It just crumbles.

Serena needs one too.
I would completely agree if this were a few years ago, but he beat Nadal on Friday, and had lots of chances to collapse but didn't. Plus he kept fighting after not serving it out. He never would have done that before.
 

FarFed

Rookie
I would completely agree if this were a few years ago, but he beat Nadal on Friday, and had lots of chances to collapse but didn't. Plus he kept fighting after not serving it out. He never would have done that before.
True, but it's like he ran into a bull (Rafa), conquered it, and now ran into a mountain (Nole). He has no time to do this in parts like this. Not saying he didn't fight, but needs to keep sane. A few wisps of time and he gifted a GS to Nole.
 

Tcbtennis

Hall of Fame
I would completely agree if this were a few years ago, but he beat Nadal on Friday, and had lots of chances to collapse but didn't. Plus he kept fighting after not serving it out. He never would have done that before.
In my opinion the difference between Fed’s approach to Rafa vs his approach to Djokovic is that Fed had already overcome that mental block against Rafa. The last time Rafa beat Fed off clay was the 2014 Australian Open. Then Fed came from behind in the 5th set of the AO ‘17 final to win and he has not looked back. And the solution to that problem was purely technical. The larger racquet, and the aggressive topspin backhand solved the problem. The issue with Nole has nothing with technique or racquets. On paper Fed was the better player in almost every single category. He played so well and had the match on racquet on so many occasions. But when it mattered the most ..... that’s mental. Maybe his mind went back to those 2 US Opens. Maybe he started thinking of the historical significance of winning his 9th Wimbledon. He froze, no question. A sports psychologist could help improve Fed’s mentality by 1% and that could have made the difference. Look how calm Nole is in difficult situations with his peace, love and tranquillity persona. The way Fed played that match you know he’s got more great tennis in him. He needs to get his mind right when he faces Djokovic again.
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
In my opinion the difference between Fed’s approach to Rafa vs his approach to Djokovic is that Fed had already overcome that mental block against Rafa. The last time Rafa beat Fed off clay was the 2014 Australian Open. Then Fed came from behind in the 5th set of the AO ‘17 final to win and he has not looked back. And the solution to that problem was purely technical. The larger racquet, and the aggressive topspin backhand solved the problem. The issue with Nole has nothing with technique or racquets. On paper Fed was the better player in almost every single category. He played so well and had the match on racquet on so many occasions. But when it mattered the most ..... that’s mental. Maybe his mind went back to those 2 US Opens. Maybe he started thinking of the historical significance of winning his 9th Wimbledon. He froze, no question. A sports psychologist could help improve Fed’s mentality by 1% and that could have made the difference. Look how calm Nole is in difficult situations with his peace, love and tranquillity persona. The way Fed played that match you know he’s got more great tennis in him. He needs to get his mind right when he faces Djokovic again.
I doubt a sport's psychologist can help at this point. I'm sure he has seen many.

There are 2 issues:
1) Federer's stress response is more sensitive than Novak's.
2) Federer cares more than Novak and that's partly why he gets more nervous.

I honestly don't think Novak cares as much about losing as Federer. He's always a great sport when he loses whereas Federer and Nadal are always bitter. When Novak's down match point he's just like well, whatever, may as well go for it.
 

FarFed

Rookie
In my opinion the difference between Fed’s approach to Rafa vs his approach to Djokovic is that Fed had already overcome that mental block against Rafa. The last time Rafa beat Fed off clay was the 2014 Australian Open. Then Fed came from behind in the 5th set of the AO ‘17 final to win and he has not looked back. And the solution to that problem was purely technical. The larger racquet, and the aggressive topspin backhand solved the problem. The issue with Nole has nothing with technique or racquets. On paper Fed was the better player in almost every single category. He played so well and had the match on racquet on so many occasions. But when it mattered the most ..... that’s mental. Maybe his mind went back to those 2 US Opens. Maybe he started thinking of the historical significance of winning his 9th Wimbledon. He froze, no question. A sports psychologist could help improve Fed’s mentality by 1% and that could have made the difference. Look how calm Nole is in difficult situations with his peace, love and tranquillity persona. The way Fed played that match you know he’s got more great tennis in him. He needs to get his mind right when he faces Djokovic again.
Couldn't agree more.
Also, now, Novak's extended ball-bouncing makes total sense - he's trying to defuse the situation, to get back into the present moment. Fed should stop thinking he's above help/assistance. We all need a nudge sometimes, the earlier the better for Fed because time is ticking faster for him.
 

FarFed

Rookie
I doubt a sport's psychologist can help at this point. I'm sure he has seen many.
That might be true, but my point in this thread earlier has been that the mind training part has to become a lifestyle component like diet and exercise in order to summon it any time on court.
If you look up online, the only name you'd find is Pierre Paganini who's his physical trainer.
 
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WhiskeyEE

Legend
That might be true, but my point in this thread earlier has been that the mind training part has to become a lifestyle component like diet and exercise in order to summon it any time on court.
If you look up online, the only name you'd find is Pierre Paganini who's his physical trainer.
What mind training? Imagining a happy place like in Happy Gilmore? Psychologists are not miracle workers. It's a field that, most of the time, has rather limited value. Federer has played like 30+ slam finals. That experience is worth 1 million times more than anything a psychologist could teach him.

If he still gets nervous at this point, that isn't going away. Perhaps the only thing that could help is actually beating Djokovic in big matches to get rid of the mental block.
 
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FarFed

Rookie
What mind training? Imagining a happy place like in Happy Gilmore? Psychologists are not miracle workers. It's a field that, most of the time, has rather limited value. Federer has played like 30+ slam finals. That experience is worth 1 million times more than anything a psychologist could teach him.

If he still gets nervous at this point, that isn't going away. Perhaps the only thing that could help is actually beating Djokovic in big matches to get rid of the mental block.
One word - meditation, especially mindfulness. That doesn't involve imagining anything. In fact, I'm making the same point as you - going to a psychologist and expecting results is like going to a restaurant and expecting great service for a fee. It needs to become part of what one does daily. Look up some meditation if you'd like more info (or PM me).
 

Fugazi

Professional
I doubt a sport's psychologist can help at this point. I'm sure he has seen many.

There are 2 issues:
1) Federer's stress response is more sensitive than Novak's.
2) Federer cares more than Novak and that's partly why he gets more nervous.

I honestly don't think Novak cares as much about losing as Federer. He's always a great sport when he loses whereas Federer and Nadal are always bitter. When Novak's down match point he's just like well, whatever, may as well go for it.
As a psychologist myself, I agree 100% here.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
In my opinion the difference between Fed’s approach to Rafa vs his approach to Djokovic is that Fed had already overcome that mental block against Rafa. The last time Rafa beat Fed off clay was the 2014 Australian Open. Then Fed came from behind in the 5th set of the AO ‘17 final to win and he has not looked back. And the solution to that problem was purely technical. The larger racquet, and the aggressive topspin backhand solved the problem. The issue with Nole has nothing with technique or racquets. On paper Fed was the better player in almost every single category. He played so well and had the match on racquet on so many occasions. But when it mattered the most ..... that’s mental. Maybe his mind went back to those 2 US Opens. Maybe he started thinking of the historical significance of winning his 9th Wimbledon. He froze, no question. A sports psychologist could help improve Fed’s mentality by 1% and that could have made the difference. Look how calm Nole is in difficult situations with his peace, love and tranquillity persona. The way Fed played that match you know he’s got more great tennis in him. He needs to get his mind right when he faces Djokovic again.
I believe it is an oversimplification to say Federer's solution was purely technical. He previously had the skillset to beat Nadal and he failed a lot because of a mental block.
 
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