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dh003i

Legend
cc0509,

I agree, there is no legitimate argument whatsoever that Djokovic isn't the best player in the world. Anyone trying to say he isn't the best player in the world right now has no credibility.
 

TennisLovaLova

Hall of Fame
Honestly after the game i was in shock. Ate dinner, drank vodka, went to bed. Then today i woke up, i went to the beach and now i m back home. I still feel sick from that loss.
And i am not the one playing. Only a guy playin and watchin tennis on tv.

I really wonder how fed is mentally right now. This does not look good imo.
 

fednad

Hall of Fame
A fed fan here. Not depressed though.
Depressed fed fan may join me when I am out tomorrow painting the town red. Get all your wives along as well!
 
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celoft

Guest
You're looking for insults that aren't there. I have repeatedly said I think Nadal is a tier-1 all time great.

I said I think Djokovic has a shot at tier-1 all time great. For me, that means 10 GS. I'm not getting carried away -- I'm saying Djokovic has a shot at it. If he wins the USO, he'll have 4 and will be almost half-way there.

I don't know if Djokovic will do that. No one does. But I certainly wouldn't bet against it, given how he's been playing. To me, he looks like the next great dominating player.
I don't think Nole will be tier-1 all time great.

He will be tier-2 if he can win around 7-8 majors.
 
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celoft

Guest
This I can respect and I admit I am extremely hard on Djokovic b/c I just don't like the guy and I KNOW he is not a better player than Nadal or Federer. That's why it's so hard for me to see him ranked as the #1 player. But yes, he does deserve to be ranked #1 this year....he's just not really the #1 player in the world if that makes any sense. Nadal is the best player in the world because Federer is out of his prime.
I seriously doubt Nole will win 6 or 7 AOs, for example.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
You're looking for insults that aren't there. I have repeatedly said I think Nadal is a tier-1 all time great.

I said I think Djokovic has a shot at tier-1 all time great. For me, that means 10 GS. I'm not getting carried away -- I'm saying Djokovic has a shot at it. If he wins the USO, he'll have 4 and will be almost half-way there.

I don't know if Djokovic will do that. No one does. But I certainly wouldn't bet against it, given how he's been playing. To me, he looks like the next great dominating player.
Federer was not playing at the level he used to play and Djokovic was darn lucky that Federer started showing signs of that . After viewing the Nadal /Murray game today which I recorded I was very impressed to see that the play was more impressive with both Murray and Nadal - a far more exciting match in fact
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer was not playing at the level he used to play and Djokovic was darn lucky that Federer started showing signs of that . After viewing the Nadal /Murray game today which I recorded I was very impressed to see that the play was more impressive with both Murray and Nadal - a far more exciting match in fact


That is so not how I saw it. The Federer/Djokovic match was a much better match overall even though Federer blew it. The Nadal/Murray match was basically a slaughter. Murray never had a chance.
 
Fed is no pusher , he plays with low margins and hence when he gets into defensive play he gets into trouble against the top guys for he cannot cover the court as well as say 3-4 years ago. From the third set onwards he was not only passive but did not even make a run for anything which was more than 4 yards away from him. It only gave Djokovic time to fine tune his ground strokes and started placing them into corners. He made a few tactical errors too i.e. in the 5th set he went to Nole's FH side on serve when going at him or BH side was working better for him in previous sets. As a general rule of the thumb anyone who is 2 sets up if he/she do not play aggressively in the 3rd set then there is something seriously wrong with their game play or strategy and Fed continued it even in the 4th set. What depresses me more than the loss itself is the way he went down. We all are Federer fans not because he has won 16 majors but because the way he makes his shots and goes about constructing his points that is what was missing from his game yesterday. It hurts pretty bad to see him not be his usual self on the court.
 
If Fed reads this forum then my only request for him would be that he has been playing to not to loose lately; how about playing for broke just once for old time's sake ? Let's return fire with fire. That is what Tsonga did to him in Wimby and Djoker did to him in both 2010 and 2011 semis in USO.
 

Qubax

Professional
I'm just disappointed in his 5 set record.

Sampras was an inferior player. But ONE THING he did better was win in 5 sets.

Federer, we are discovering, is a great front-runner but an average come-from-behind player.
Djokovic was the come from behind player, and Federer was the front runner. He lost in two straight slams after being up 2 sets to love, how is that being a great front runner?
 

hawk eye

Hall of Fame
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.
 
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
cc0509,

I agree, there is no legitimate argument whatsoever that Djokovic isn't the best player in the world. Anyone trying to say he isn't the best player in the world right now has no credibility.
As a Federer fan, I have accepted that Federer will not be number one in the world any longer. That is the way that it goes.
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
That is so not how I saw it. The Federer/Djokovic match was a much better match overall even though Federer blew it. The Nadal/Murray match was basically a slaughter. Murray never had a chance.
If it was a slaughter as you put it then Murray was putting up a very good opposition. He was clearly exhausted after the Isner match - never had much time for rest . Imagine trying to return the sort of serves that Isner repeatedly sent him? Every bone in his body must have been aching
 

Pinkskunk

Rookie
This I can respect and I admit I am extremely hard on Djokovic b/c I just don't like the guy and I KNOW he is not a better player than Nadal or Federer. That's why it's so hard for me to see him ranked as the #1 player. But yes, he does deserve to be ranked #1 this year....he's just not really the #1 player in the world if that makes any sense. Nadal is the best player in the world because Federer is out of his prime.
I feel bad for you truely, you are living in pain and refuse to accept reality unfold infront of your eyes and continue to fool yourself.

The Federer candlelight is dimming day by day............. eventually it will burn out and be all dark, how much longer can you AND others keep on fooling yourself???

Novak is World #1
Nadal is World #2

Peace :)
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
If it was a slaughter as you put it then Murray was putting up a very good opposition. He was clearly exhausted after the Isner match - never had much time for rest . Imagine trying to return the sort of serves that Isner repeatedly sent him? Every bone in his body must have been aching
Murray was putting up a good opposition? LOL. You and I were clearly watching different matches because Nadal was in control in my eyes the entire match. I did not think for a minute that Murray would win that match, tired or not.
 

sportsfan1

Hall of Fame
Fed needed an ace of one of the two MPs, like the French Open SF. Turns out that's the only way he could have put away the djoker. Couldn't do it, and lost the match.
The return game has to be a big worry. Fed in prime used to break opponents when it was 4 all in the set. The commentators could see it coming, so could everyone else. Now it has turned around, and you can see Fed getting broken at critical points of the set.
Last year when he beat murray, djoker, nadal in the World tour finals to win it all seems like such a distant memory, and a false indicator of his performance in 2011 at that.
 

Breaker

Legend
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.
This is why I believe Del Potro is GOAT. He won against all odds against a prime Nadal giving him the worst slam loss of his career then beat a Federer in the final who held 2 slams on the year and also had another final with a narrow loss.

Slam count doesn't matter, I've never seen Federer beat both Nadal and Federer in a slam as impressively as that which tips the scale in DelPo's favour.
 

bharat

Rookie
This is why I believe Del Potro is GOAT. He won against all odds against a prime Nadal giving him the worst slam loss of his career then beat a Federer in the final who held 2 slams on the year and also had another final with a narrow loss.

Slam count doesn't matter, I've never seen Federer beat both Nadal and Federer in a slam as impressively as that which tips the scale in DelPo's favour.
how can u even compare delpo to fed??

Fed is definitely that GOAT. I still cant believe he lost the match being 2 sets up. Its hard to accept but I doubt he will win another slam. Hope I am wrong.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray was putting up a good opposition? LOL. You and I were clearly watching different matches because Nadal was in control in my eyes the entire match. I did not think for a minute that Murray would win that match, tired or not.
How could Nadal have been in control the entire match when he lost the 3rd set?? :confused:

I watched the same match and the majority of the points and games were long,tight affairs. Both players hit some amazing shots. Nadal was clearly dominant in the first two sets but he was also helped by Murray's many unforced errors (55 to Nadal's 23). There were so many opportunities for Murray when he approached the net and failed to put away a volley, hitting it into the net instead.I lost count of the number of times he did this and knew it wasn't going to be his night because of that alone. It was so uncharacteristic of him. After winning the 3rd set,Murray had a chance to go up a break early in the 4th but couldn't bring it off. That was his last shot at turning the thing around. After that,he was spent,exhausted.

Nadal played probably his best match of the year that night to beat Murray and said as much at the on-court interview afterwards.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
This is why I believe Del Potro is GOAT. He won against all odds against a prime Nadal giving him the worst slam loss of his career then beat a Federer in the final who held 2 slams on the year and also had another final with a narrow loss.
Del Potro is nowhere near the GOAT even in 2009. Nadal had had a lot of time off for injury in that year, missing Wimbledon. He was almost certainly not at his best as the rest of that season would prove. He failed to win a single game at the WTF later that year and many people were concerned that he would never regain his top form. He didn't do so until early into the 2010 season. All credit to Del Potro for coming back against Federer in the final and winning it but he lost in every single tournament after that including the finals of the WTF which he only just managed to make after losing to Murray in the round robin stage. Other than the USO win,his 2009 season was really quite average.
 
Late check in. Couldn't find the strength to switch on the computer.

Please empty my credit card as I'm gonna stay here for a long long time.

Well, anyway, it's really depressing to watch how the match was lost. The short ball which he sunk into the net, instead of a simple routine winner, at match point keeps on replaying in my mind. This is extremely difficult to swallow for Fed fans.

After watching him lose the AO this year, I said, this is the beginning of his decline. At FO, I thought, hey his hitting great, moving well, maybe there's still some left in him. Now I'm resolved at the fact that this is indeed the end of a great era.

Often we hear arguments about Nadal kicking his ass, having a superior H2H record, Djoko having the perfect all-round game, beating him two out of two hardcourt GS slams this year, but IMO that is insufficient to compare who is greater.

Why do I consider Federer as the greatest person who has ever played tennis?

No other player has come close in making the game so beautiful to watch. The way he carries himself on and off the court. There's probably a reason why a lot of peers have nothing but praises for his personality and character. Yes his GS titles shows his greatness but I feel that may not even be a good yard-stick to show what he has brought to the game.

I've been into tennis since Agassi, Becker, Chang, Ivanisevic... Well not that long, but I can't wait for the day when the world is treated to another tennis player who simply takes your breathe away.......
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
To my fellow Federer fans, don't be depressed! :) I fully understand that it does hurt when your favorite player loses, I was sad also, but it is important to always keep things in perspective.

Federer is STILL playing great, and is still in the mix. Despite having played and won so much, to still be competing when that passion could have fizzled out after 09 is a credit to the man.

And think of it like this, Federer got the two things that he wanted, and we his fans cheered him on to do. The career slam, and the slam record. He managed to achieve things beyond even his wildest dreams, that people would make some of the craziest targets for him, just to keep things interesting!

He can still ignite a crowd like no other, RG this year was proof of that. He is loved the world over, a great amassador to the game, and even in his defeats, he instills emotion and passion into fans. Sure he is human, but the measure of the man is how he has kept coming back, entertaining us in a way that only he can.

So, don't be depressed. This is sports, and the game moves on, and one day, it will move on from Novak also...we as fans should just enjoy the ride. And I don't think Federer is done with giving us special moments.
 

CDestroyer

Professional
Fed lost another one after having two match points. Dang that must be devastating.

I am suprised we didn't see more tears from the pretty boy crybaby.

Boohoo.:twisted:
 

adventure

Banned
Federer is just as skilled now as he was in '09. I think he's still the second most competitive player on the tour, after Nadal.

Anyone who speaks of or even alludes to a Federer "decline" is mistaken: it's just that both Nadal and Djoko have improved by leaps and bounds, both mentally and physically.

Federer TODAY is very very close to prime Federer, a testament to his work ethic. It's just that Nadal and Djoko are complete freaks.

I believe Federer is done winning majors and will retire at some point in '13.

To my fellow Federer fans, don't be depressed! :) I fully understand that it does hurt when your favorite player loses, I was sad also, but it is important to always keep things in perspective.

Federer is STILL playing great, and is still in the mix. Despite having played and won so much, to still be competing when that passion could have fizzled out after 09 is a credit to the man.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.


Sure, there was a time when WTF was way more important than AO but currently that simply doesn't apply anymore. WTF is a nice bonus but it's nowhere near as relevant as slams, whether you consider coverage, impact, records, etc. Djoko has already won WTF but I think the 3 slams and breaking master record for a season were more important than winning WTF again.
Ask Davydenko if he would exchange his WTF title for a slam. I bet I know the answer.
It's also difficult to take WTF too seriously nowadays when the top players are so washed out by the time they get there that Fed for instance managed to win the title without having to face 2 of the best 3 players of the season (Murray and Djoko). That would be highly unlikely in a slam (to win AO 2011, he would have had to beat Djoko and Murray, RG 2011: Djoko and Nadal, W: Djoko and Nadal, USO: Djoko and Nadal. Not a coincidence that he could win WTF but no slam last year, not the same level of competition.)
 
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aprilfool

Guest
Sure, there was a time when WTF was way more important than AO but currently that simply doesn't apply anymore. WTF is a nice bonus but it's nowhere near as relevant as slams, whether you consider coverage, impact, records, etc. Djoko has already won WTF but I think the 3 slams and breaking master record for a season were more important than winning WTF again.
Ask Davydenko if he would exchange his WTF title for a slam. I bet I know the answer.
It's also difficult to take WTF too seriously nowadays when the top players are so washed out by the time they get there that Fed for instance managed to win the title without having to face 2 of the best 3 players of the season (Murray and Djoko). That would be highly unlikely in a slam (to win AO 2011, he would have had to beat Djoko and Murray, RG 2011: Djoko and Nadal, W: Djoko and Nadal, USO: Djoko and Nadal. Not a coincidence that he could win WTF but no slam last year, not the same level of competition.)
Reading comprehension is not exactly your strong suit, is it? Or have you converted?
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
Why is veroniquem in this thread meant for sad and sulking Federer fans?

Does that prove troll-like behaviour? Perhaps the biggest indicator to date. There's only one reason why a Fed-hater/********* would want to enter this thread and that's to feed on our misery.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
After the disappointment with Federer these past couple of years, I think I've learned to expect it, or at least not be surprised when he does lose. The worst was the two match points against Djokovic in 2010 and last year... Those were ridiculous.
 

sportsfan1

Hall of Fame
I had hopes of a Fed win *before* the game. But a little after the start and watching all the passing shots, the UFEs on the FH side, and the general panicky play, it was clear that it wasn't going to be Fed's day. It was just like any of the other Rafa-Fed GS matches where Fed just couldn't put it across.
Call it a bad matchup, Fed's refusal to adopt tactics, or whatever, there's no point in expecting that Fed will get past Rafa in a GS until he actually starts beating him consistently outdoors in best of 3. Just like there's no point in expecting that Rafa will beat Djoker in a GS.
So yeah, all said and done it was easier to take, than say the USO 2011 SF.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
I had hopes of a Fed win *before* the game. But a little after the start and watching all the passing shots, the UFEs on the FH side, and the general panicky play, it was clear that it wasn't going to be Fed's day. It was just like any of the other Rafa-Fed GS matches where Fed just couldn't put it across.
Call it a bad matchup, Fed's refusal to adopt tactics, or whatever, there's no point in expecting that Fed will get past Rafa in a GS until he actually starts beating him consistently outdoors in best of 3. Just like there's no point in expecting that Rafa will beat Djoker in a GS.
So yeah, all said and done it was easier to take, than say the USO 2011 SF.
I agree. I think it's officially a safer pick to pick against Fed in Slams from here on out. Never thought I'd hear myself say that, but he hasn't won one in 2 years, and he can't beat Nadal. Djokovic he has a chance, but he'll blow the match points then self-destruct...
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Why is veroniquem in this thread meant for sad and sulking Federer fans?

Does that prove troll-like behaviour? Perhaps the biggest indicator to date. There's only one reason why a Fed-hater/********* would want to enter this thread and that's to feed on our misery.


Oh sorry, I read all the threads. I just wanted to remark on the specific subject of WTF. It is kind of off topic though. I won't disturb your mourning anymore, no problem.
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
Oh sorry, I read all the threads. I just wanted to remark on the specific subject of WTF. It is kind of off topic though. I won't disturb your mourning anymore, no problem.
The damage has been done.

Haha, just kidding. Thanks. :)

...now back to crying...
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
I am a big fan of his but I've just come to the conclusion that this is just a bad bad bad match up for Fed. I mean Nadal has shafted him out of how many championships? I mean he lacks only the us open of completing the slam against one player. Has that ever happened to anyone else? Has one player beaten another player in the finals of all 4 majors?

I am depressed and need a shoulder to cry on. I can't take watching such a great player get old. :cry:
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Slam count alone is useless and narrow minded. It's like hey, that player has got 8 slams and the other one 5 so the one with 11 is better. Not taking into account the field he played against, other tournaments, the way he won.
To me Mc Enroe was a greater player than Borg, though he has 4 majors less.
When Djokovic wins this USO and the Year End Masters or World tour finals or whatever it's named , and has another year like this, beating Fedal time after time and then retires for whatever reason for me he's the GOAT (Wel, maybe tied with Sampras). It means more than winning all those slams with the Roddicks and Hewitt's of this world as your main opponents. Ok, and a Spanish teenager who Fed could't beat anymore after Nadal reached his full potential. Yeah, the *******s call it weak era crap of course, but it's so true when you put things in the right perspective.
Both of them have a winning H2H against Sampras, Australian teenager double breadsticked breadsticked a younger Pete than Fed is now in a USO final and a Russian teenage kicked (2 years younger than Fed is now)Pete's behind(blew him off court).

Oh and your opinion and your "perspective" are that of a highly biased Sampras fan, what sounds oh so true to you might sound like BS to someone else.
 
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