Despite winning 4 titles and being #4 in the race rankings, Rublev may not make the WTF while Federer playing one tournament has already qualified...

Aussie Darcy

Aussie Darcy

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Discuss?

Because the 2020 ATP Finals include 2019 results, Federer has already qualified as the 4th seed (and withdrawn) but Rublev who is one of 2020's best players with 4 titles and two slam QF's hasn't because of the new rules.

Medevedev likewise isn't top 8 in the 2020 race but has already qualified for the 2020 ATP Finals due to last years rules. I mean the guy has lost like 3 of his last 4 matches,, no?

And then there's Carreno Busta who currently isn't even top 12 in the race rankings due to the new rules but if it was the usual system he'd be #8.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Discuss?

Because the 2020 ATP Finals include 2019 results, Federer has already qualified as the 4th seed (and withdrawn) but Rublev who is one of 2020's best players with 4 titles and two slam QF's hasn't because of the new rules.

Medevedev likewise isn't top 8 in the 2020 race but has already qualified for the 2020 ATP Finals due to last years rules. I mean the guy has lost like 3 of his last 4 matches,, no?

And then there's Carreno Busta who currently isn't even top 12 in the race rankings due to the new rules but if it was the usual system he'd be #8.
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it's completley absurd to take 2019 results into account for the 2020 WTF qualification... some players could qualify without lifiting a finger! :unsure:
 
The 2020 Race includes too small of a tournament pool if anything.

So not sure if Rublev is better than the no8 of last year, Berretini, was at this point it time (including his Shanghai SF).

In a normal year he would probably end up in top 8 over Med.
 
vive le beau jeu ! said:
it's completley absurd to take 2019 results into account for the 2020 WTF qualification... some players could qualify without lifiting a finger! :unsure:
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Exactly, but the terrorists around here will suicide attack you for questioning the system that allowed their favourites to do whatever they want.

BTW, Federer is not playing, so that is a moot point anyway.

:cool:
 
InsideOut900 said:
The 2020 Race includes too small of a tournament pool if anything.

So not sure if Rublev is better than the no8 of last year, Berretini, was at this point it time (including his Shanghai SF).

In a normal year he would probably end up in top 8 over Med.
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Berretini at this time last year (Covid aside with all the disruptions) had 2 ATP250 titles, 1 final and a slam SF. Ruvlev has 4 titles ( 2 ATP 500 titles, 2 ATP 250 titles) and two Slam QF's.

But keep trying to equate the two ;) lmao. I mean Covid threw everyone and yet Rublev is still better than Berrettini but it might not pay off? Insane?
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Discuss?

Because the 2020 ATP Finals include 2019 results, Federer has already qualified as the 4th seed (and withdrawn) but Rublev who is one of 2020's best players with 4 titles and two slam QF's hasn't because of the new rules.

Medevedev likewise isn't top 8 in the 2020 race but has already qualified for the 2020 ATP Finals due to last years rules. I mean the guy has lost like 3 of his last 4 matches,, no?

And then there's Carreno Busta who currently isn't even top 12 in the race rankings due to the new rules but if it was the usual system he'd be #8.
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Oh no. I feel very sad for you.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Berretini at this time last year (Covid aside with all the disruptions) had 2 ATP250 titles, 1 final and a slam SF. Ruvlev has 4 titles ( 2 ATP 500 titles, 2 ATP 250 titles) and two Slam QF's.

But keep trying to equate the two ;) lmao. I mean Covid threw everyone and yet Rublev is still better than Berrettini but it might not pay off? Insane?
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Ok, revised, he has about 500 points on Berretinni.

I didn't look up at first, he has 2200 points from the results you stated. I just took a guess not knowing Rublev's other results.

Without Federer, he is 7th in race, so likely gonna make it to the Tour Finals.

Though who's to tell about the other results in Wimbledon and Masters if they played a full year? Who knows if other players wouldn't have passed him anyway?
 
In the whole 2020 C19 mess, this is just a minor blunder.

Realistically, rule was meant as an incentive for players not to show up in tournaments. But only a handful of mugs refused to play so here we are.
 
It just makes Djokovic having more weeks at #1 and another Year-End #1 completely undeserving, the whole rankings system is a big mess for 2020. They should just cancel the rankings until everything is back to normal. (y) And now he's playing Vienna because he can't lose the 2019 points from Paris. (n)
 
InsideOut900 said:
Ok, revised, he has about 500 points on Berretinni.

I didn't look up at first, he has 2200 points from the results you stated. I just took a guess not knowing Rublev's other results.

Without Federer, he is 7th in race, so likely gonna make it to the Tour Finals.

Though who's to tell about the other results in Wimbledon and Masters if they played a full year? Who knows if other players wouldn't have passed him anyway?
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Who knows? If we're going by who knows, why has Federer qualified with one tournament played but others have? Is that fair? People here want to whinge about Barty but stay silent on Federer and co? Doesn't add up?
 
USO said:
It just makes Djokovic having more weeks at #1 and another Year-End #1 completely undeserving, the whole rankings system is a big mess for 2020. They should just cancel the rankings until everything is back to normal. (y) And now he's playing Vienna because he can't lose the 2019 points from Paris. (n)
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Let's just close shop until Federer's records are safe, ey?
 
This is why things from 2020 have to be taken with a grain of salt, and why there shouldn't be a YE #1 given for this year.

Also, will all the YEC fanboys pipe down about this year's version if it includes non-top 8 guys because of last year's points? They always seem to squawk on and on about how the YEC features the best of the best.
 
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FrontHeadlock said:
This is why things from 2020 have to be taken with a grain of salt, and why there shouldn't be a YE #1 given for this year.

Also, will all the YEC fanboys pipe down about this year's version if it includes non-top 8 guys because of last year's points? They always seem to squawk on and on about how the YEC features the best of the best.
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Year end no 1 should be given because enought tennis was played (3/4 slams, wtf, some masters and 500), and same players won most points which ever way you calculate... ;)
 
beard said:
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Year end no 1 should be given because enought tennis was played (3/4 slams, wtf, some masters and 500), and same players won most points which ever way you calculate... ;)
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Let's suppose COVID-21 shuts down next year's season immediately after Wimbledon (so 3/4 Majors and 5/10 Masters + YEC). Are you okay with awarding YE #1 with clay being like 50% of the year's points?
 
FrontHeadlock said:
Let's suppose COVID-21 shuts down next year's season immediately after Wimbledon (so 3/4 Majors and 5/10 Masters + YEC). Are you okay with awarding YE #1 with clay being like 50% of the year's points?
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Why not? Why is clay lesser surface compared to other two?

Fact is that 4 of 5 greatest tournaments will be played this year... Enough...
 
USO said:
It just makes Djokovic having more weeks at #1 and another Year-End #1 completely undeserving, the whole rankings system is a big mess for 2020. They should just cancel the rankings until everything is back to normal. (y) And now he's playing Vienna because he can't lose the 2019 points from Paris. (n)
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It’s already asterisked in the minds of any knowledgeable tennis fans.
 
beard said:
Why not? Why is clay lesser surface compared to other two?
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Just making sure you are being consistent here. Many who agree with you this year would argue the other way next year.

By the way, if you look at points on offer, we played a lot less this year than you're making it seem. Yes we will have played 3 of the Majors and hopefully the YEC, but whereas normally among the Majors, YEC and Masters (i.e., the tournaments guys going for #1 are required to play) you'd have 18,500 championship points on offer, this year you will only have had 10,500 points on offer, which is ~57% of the total. Plus we will have had zero grass play, which is significant. That's without even mentioning the number of players who have opted out, couldn't travel, etc.
 
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Mainad said:
It IS ridiculous. I can't believe that he could just turn up and play if he chooses to do so (which he's not going to do of course). Makes a complete mockery of the principle that only the top 8 performing players of the season take part.

Utterly absurd!
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That is why I was against the way the matter with the rankings was resolved: the points should have dropped off upon reaching the date the respective tournament should have started. If there was no tournament, no points would have been earned. Simples.

Fortunately Federer is not one to be using such tactics to get to whatever he wants to reach. I wish he could also abscond from using such a ranking for the AO, but I guess that is not possible as it is not up to him to decide.

8-)
 
FrontHeadlock said:
Just making sure you are being consistent here. Many who agree with you this year would argue the other way next year.

By the way, if you look at points on offer, we played a lot less this year than you're making it seem. Yes we will have played 3 of the Majors and hopefully the YEC, but whereas normally among the Majors, YEC and Masters (i.e., the tournaments guys going for #1 are required to play) you'd have 18,500 championship points on offer, this year you will only have had 10,500 points on offer, which is ~57% of the total. Plus we will have had zero grass play, which is significant. That's without even mentioning the number of players who have opted out, couldn't travel, etc.
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57% of points in good enough...
And it's almost 80% of points from 5 biggest tournaments in sport... ;)

Every top player could travel where he wanted. Those who has no money wouldn't change a thing in top of the game...
 
Backspin1183 said:
But Federer won't be playing this year. So, his slot can still be taken by Rublev.
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Exactly. There's always a full field of 8 players, regardless of who's qualified and who's available to play. There's also alternate players if someone pulls out last minute. So with Fed out already, there's actually 2 slots still up for grabs.
 
beard said:
57% of points in good enough...
And it's almost 80% of points from 5 biggest tournaments in sport... ;)

Every top player could travel where he wanted. Those who has no money wouldn't change a thing in top of the game...
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Is it still the "5th biggest tournament" if it only has like half of the top 8 guys from 2020? Seems like with last year's points at play the WTF will look very different.

This is one of the reasons I'm against a YE #1 this year. There seems to be a confluence of last year's points and this year's points. Can you award a YE #1 if people are retaining points they earned last year and points they accrued at a WTF where they qualified based on last year's points? They whole thing isn't well thought out.
 
FrontHeadlock said:
Is it still the "5th biggest tournament" if it only has like half of the top 8 guys from 2020? Seems like with last year's points at play the WTF will look very different.

This is one of the reasons I'm against a YE #1 this year. There seems to be a confluence of last year's points and this year's points. Can you award a YE #1 if people are retaining points they earned last year and points they accrued at a WTF where they qualified based on last year's points? They whole thing isn't well thought out.
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If you count only this year the same guy will be no 1, so no difference... ;)
You can count this points, can count that points, all the same, this guy was overall best and will deserve his 6th title...
 
FrontHeadlock said:
His domain seems to be the Majors, where he's the overwhelming favorite to be the ALL TIME leader in that stat in 8 months.
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Ok, then.
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