Detailed Game Analysis of the Top 10 (Currently)

I'm kinda curious on what you guys think about their gamestyles and strokes. Currently the rankings are...

1. Novak Djokovic
2. Andy Murray
3. Roger Federer
4. David Ferrer
5. Rafael Nadal
6. Tomas Berdych
7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
8. Juan Martin Del Potro
9. Richard Gasquet
10. Stanislas Wawrinka
 

rafafan20

Professional
1. Novak Djokovic - SARS
2. Andy Murray - sucks
3. Roger Federer - #1
4. David Ferrer - sucks
5. Rafael Nadal #1a
6. Tomas Berdych - sucks
7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - sucks
8. Juan Martin Del Potro - pusher
9. Richard Gasquet - awesome
10. Stanislas Wawrinka - awesome

very detailed
 

Chico

Banned
Here is my take on this:
1. Novak Djokovic - Awesome #1 for many years to come. Like it or not.
2. Andy Murray - Boring but likable #2.
3. Roger Federer - Former #1. Not any more.
4. David Ferrer - Boring but admirable for his well deserved #4 spot.
5. Rafael Nadal - Transitional #1 with injured knees. Will not last outside red dirt.
6. Tomas Berdych - Just sucks.
7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - Used to be awesome, but sucks now.
8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Awesome but injured.
9. Richard Gasquet - The bestest and awesomest backhand ever. Period.
10. Stanislas Wawrinka - Poor man's Roger.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.
 
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nikdom

Guest
1. Novak Djokovic - Greatest First Serb Ever!

2. Andy Murray - Clutches body parts but goes Scot free

3. Roger Federer - Son of Mario. Suffered under Nadal and was buried in red clay. Rose again in 3 weeks on grass. Will return to judge living and dead tennis players.

4. David Ferrer - Energizer bunny. Great chemical composition.

5. Rafael Nadal - I'll have what he's having, no? King Kong plays tennis like Ping Pong.

6. Tomas Berdych - Big Berd can't fly.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - You had me at Muhammed Ali....and lost me at celebration after meaningless victory

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is he Del Po man? Tell me again what are his superpowers?

9. Richard Gasquet - High point in life was getting kissed by a girl snorting cocaine in a seedy Miami club. Oh, also plays tennis.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - Stan the man can't stand The Man. He wants his own Swiss cow. (hanging out with Mirka doesn't count)








(It's all in jest; so take it easy fanboys)
 
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icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.

fed's stubbornness is definitely one of his weaknesses though tbh I actually at times think he is underrated in the mental department, although it might not seem like it now a days. I don' think he can be weak in that area and have achieved all he has. Though I can see how one would think that

he used to be a mess back in the day though funny enough
 
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1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.

Thank you for posting something that actually answers my question!
 

Clarky21

Banned
1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.


Nadal plays nothing like Ferrer, and does just about everything better than ferrer does in every single aspect of the game. Unbelievable some of the stuff that gets posted here. Good grief.
 

RunDatGame

Semi-Pro
1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.

Thats about it.
Great post mate. Couldnt agree more.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
1. Novak Djokovic- just really the dominant #1 in every way right now. He's right in his prime, and is just an absolute force on the tennis court. Has no weaknesses in his game, he just has to be having a bad day or be flatout outplayed in order to be beaten.

2. Andy Murray- it seems like he's edging slowly closer to what he's truly capable of but still hasn't reached it yet. Honestly, I think he's more naturally talented than Djokovic, but just isn't able to put it all together like Novak has yet. If he wins Wimbledon maybe that will give him the confidence he needs to reach his prime.

3. Roger Federer- the first year since he won his first slam that he has looked truly vulnerable on the court. Some say he's on a full-on decline, but I wouldn't underestimate Federer so easily. Just when everyone was beginning to count him out in 2012 he had that amazing year. I think we haven't seen the last of Federer winning the big events.

4. David Ferrer- Honestly this guy does not get enough credit. He has been just as consistant as any of the top four in the past year, nearly always making his seed at the least. He absolutely deserves the #3 spot he'll be getting next week. He's not on the level of the top 4 but definitely way above everyone else. Although he lost against Delpo today (Ferrer has not been at his best the entire tournament) I would take him over Delpo, Tsonga and Berdych any day.

5. Rafael Nadal- He's obviously weaker in some areas since his comeback such as his movement, but I'd say Rafa's belief and mental game is better than ever. He knows that he is capable of anything if he gives it his all, and he will continue to be a huge threat at any tournament he enters. I'd bet on him for year end #2.

6. Tomas Berdych- Berdych seems to be at a standstill with his game. On his best days he can threaten the top 4 but not consistant enough to truly be considered for the biggest titles. If he wants to win a slam he needs to seize the moment while he's still in his prime. He's been in the top 10 for a very long time now. In another era, he'd certainly be a slam winner.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga- Like Berdych, I feel like his days in the top 10 are also numbered. He has all the talent in the world, but can't seem to string it together at the right moments. He had a great win over Federer at the French, so that's something for him to build on in the rest of this year.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro- He is different case from Berdych and Tsonga, because has actually shown he has the ability to harness his talent to take out the top guys on the biggest stages. He did in the USO 2009 and then again in IW this year beating the #1 and #2 in the world back to back. Delpo's problem is that he is extremely prone to injury. If he can manage to not get injured whether it is by luck or a change in regimin, he'll win more slams. He's also only 24, so prospects are good for him to stay in the top 10 for a long time.

9. Richard Gasquet- It's never been in contention as to whether or not he has the talent to be a top 10 player, and it's good to see him get back into the top 10 this year. We'll see if he can build on these results and take it to the next level, but he has an extremely solid 8 players in front of him.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka- Just amazing what he's been able to accomplish this year, fully deserving of his ranking. Stan has a huge amount of talent. Hopefully he continues to do well in the hardcourt season. I just want to see him get the win he is due over Novak Djokovic.
 
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Totally agree with what he said about Nadal's success comes in being able to mentally figure things out and go to a plan B,C,D, whereas Fed sticks with Plan A.
 

NEW_BORN

Hall of Fame
1. Novak Djokovic - Greatest First Serb Ever!

2. Andy Murray - Clutches body parts but goes Scot free

3. Roger Federer - Son of Mario. Suffered under Nadal and was buried in red clay. Rose again in 3 weeks on grass. Will return to judge living and dead tennis players.

4. David Ferrer - Energizer bunny. Great chemical composition.

5. Rafael Nadal - I'll have what he's having, no? King Kong plays tennis like Ping Pong.

6. Tomas Berdych - Big Berd can't fly.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - You had me at Muhammed Ali....and lost me at celebration after meaningless victory

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is he Del Po man? Tell me again what are his superpowers?

9. Richard Gasquet - High point in life was getting kissed by a girl snorting cocaine in a seedy Miami club. Oh, also plays tennis.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - Stan the man can't stand The Man. He wants his own Swiss cow. (hanging out with Mirka doesn't count)

Comedy Gold!
 

Sorana fan

Banned
10. Stanislas Wawrinka - Stan the man can't stand The Man. He wants his own Swiss cow. (hanging out with Mirka doesn't count)

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spinovic

Hall of Fame
1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.

Probably not gonna do much better than this. Not much to disagree with here.

1. Agreed. I'd go a step further and say its less than 50/50 to outgrind him. You'll need some help...like Rafa got at RG with the net touch in the 5th set and a couple of lucky breaks on crucial points in the course of the match. He is clearly the best player in the world at this point. No question.

2. Agreed. Novak-lite in many ways, although they aren't carbon copies. I think Murray can go bigger on his first serve, but Novak, IMO, is better with placement and second serve. Murray has closed the gap mentally, but I still think Djokovic is the stronger player physically.

3. Agree here, conditionally. This is a solid description of Federer right now, but not historically. I think in the past he was as mentally strong as anyone, but right now he's struggling with something - confidence, motivation? Age? haha I think he's still capable of beating anyone, but he's going to lose more than he wins against Murray and Djokovic at this point. But, everything is gravy for him at this point. It's not about overall performance, i.e., bad results don't matter much, but any win simply adds to his legacy, IMO.

4. Mostly agree. But, I don't think Ferrer outthinks anyone. He plays the exact same game match after match. Not good enough to beat the top guys, but consistent enough to beat the more talented guys below him who can't keep it together long enough to grind him out. He's solid in all aspects, with exceptional movement and conditioning, but he lacks a weapon. If he had one, he could probably win a slam. As it is, he has nothing to trouble the Big 4.

5. Mostly agree again. I think Rafa is superior in all aspects to Ferrer, with the forehand being the biggest difference.

6. Agreed. Although, I'll say he has improved his overall game and his consistency. But, ultimately, I just don't think he's good enough to beat the top guys in a best-of-five. I definitely don't think he can do it in successive matches, which is what he'll likely have to do to win a slam.

7. Tsonga relies too much on emotion. I don't think he chokes or wilts under pressure as much as he needs something to get him going.

8. Injuries have prevented him from realizing his potential. I think he's struggled with confidence in the wrist after the injury, but based on what I've seen in 2013, I think that he's getting back. I also think he's added more to his all-around game as a result, which means when/if he gets all the way back, he should be even better. I don't question his conditioning - I think that arises simply from his on court demeanor which is so slow, but that's just Delpo. And, he's only 24.

9. Agree that he was lazy. I don't think his game is that great or artistic to be honest. It's hard to dictate play 5 feet behind the baseline with a one-handed backhand. That's what Gasquet often attempts.

10. He's got the game to challenge anyone. I don't think he has a hang-up against the top players (other than Federer) as much as he struggles in the big moments in general. If he could figure out how to win the big points, I think he'd be in the mix.
 

Flash O'Groove

Hall of Fame
Totally agree with what he said about Nadal's success comes in being able to mentally figure things out and go to a plan B,C,D, whereas Fed sticks with Plan A.

Yes, I really like the variety that Nadal bring to the court. The top spin forehand to the backhand doesn't work? Then hit an harder top spin forehand to the backhand!

Seriously you have it reverted. Nadal stick to his plan A, but he is mentally strong enough to be able to execute better his plan A. Federer sometimes stick to it and sometimes try the plan B, C or D. It has often worked for him, but lately it's the execution which didn't follow.
 

MTF07

Semi-Pro
Totally agree with what he said about Nadal's success comes in being able to mentally figure things out and go to a plan B,C,D, whereas Fed sticks with Plan A.

I'd be curious to know what Nadal's plan B,C and D are, because I've never seen them. He has one tactic and it works very well for him the majority of the time for him, but when it isn't working, he often gets blown off the court (look at how many straight set defeats he has in majors compared to Federer).
 
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smoledman

G.O.A.T.
#6 Federer - horrible backhand, shanking forehand, non-existent serve, poor footwork. How did this clown win anything?
 

Devilito

Legend
I'm kinda curious on what you guys think about them. Currently the rankings are...
1. Novak Djokovic - Lance
2. Andy Murray - Pusher
3. Roger Federer - God
4. David Ferrer - Michael Chang Light
5. Rafael Nadal - Barry Bonds
6. Tomas Berdych - less personality then Lendl
7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - boring but people think he's exciting because of his look
8. Juan Martin Del Potro - ryan gosling
9. Richard Gasquet - cocaine & hookers
10. Stanislas Wawrinka - Polish but pretends to be Swiss
 

Manus Domini

Hall of Fame
1. Novak Djokovic - Lance
2. Andy Murray - Pusher
3. Roger Federer - God
4. David Ferrer - Michael Chang Light
5. Rafael Nadal - Barry Bonds
6. Tomas Berdych - less personality then Lendl
7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - boring but people think he's exciting because of his look
8. Juan Martin Del Potro - ryan gosling
9. Richard Gasquet - cocaine & hookers
10. Stanislas Wawrinka - Polish but pretends to be Swiss

+100

1. Djokovic: Gold-medal gymnast who accidentally walked onto a tennis court. Boring grinder.

2. Murray: non-aggressive version of Djokovic, but better when attacking (see: never).

3. Federer: God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Grass, of All that is Seen and Re-Seen. It is said that "And God swung his forehand, and mountains crumbled, and the sea receded" (The Gospel According to Someone 1: 10).

4. Ferrer: Poor man's Rafa (see: Rafa), without the evil.

5. Nadal: Born from the Red earth, a devil who requires daily sacrifice of clay to survive. When deprived of his earthen morsel, he suffers injuries, which manifest themselves whenever he is losing.

6. Berdych: oh, him.

7. Tsonga: A heretic who can use a one-handed backhand, but still utilizes the nefarious two-hander.

8. del Potro: Any player who can defeat Fedal in less than a week of constant play (see: Nadal-Djokovic/Nadal-Murray matches) is pretty fun to watch.

9. Gasquet: The Son of Heaven, blessed by God (see: Federer) with a backhand comparable to God's own forehand.

10. Wawrinka: His backhand was the God's (see: Federer) prototype for that terrible weapon now wielded by Gasquet (see: Gasquet).
 
1. Novak Djokovic
-Best baseliner in tennis. Forehand is a weapon, backhand is one of the best at redirecting pace. Return of serve is overrated. He's the best returner of serve in history when his opponent is serving for the match, yes...but he's a streaky returner. He'll get hot for one game out of nowhere and break at love. Overall, he's a guy who just keeps plugging away.

2. Andy Murray
-Tremendous all-around power, but he doesn't consistently use it. Plenty of variety. Best return of serve in tennis. Great court coverage. Weak second serve and lack of a true alpha male personality hurts him. He should be #1 in the world, but he has the wrong mentality.

3. Roger Federer
-Mental strength is his biggest asset, not his biggest weakness. People really underestimate his mental strength and overestimate his talent. What you're seeing is Federer's game was entirely dependent on his incredible footwork. His forehand has become a weakness now. Now that his footwork is off, he's spraying balls everywhere and is unable to create the angles and take charge of points the way he used to. Stroke for stroke, Federer's forehand isn't even in the same universe as Andre Agassi's. Agassi could pummel you even when he moved about as well as Ivo Karlovic...because his ground strokes themselves were just that good. Federer needs the movement...and without it, he has very little that can hurt you. Well, there's his first serve, which is placement-oriented...that's it.

4. David Ferrer
-He's not a pusher, he just lacks power. He looks to hit a forehand...he looks to get on top of points. Against most players, he does. His consistency is enough to keep him up here, whereas the big hitters are too unpredictable.

5. Rafael Nadal
-Ran away from tennis twice after big losses at slams. Always makes injury excuses. Not a fighter - if he gets down 2 sets, it's probably over. He's likely given up and pondering what injury he's going to pretend he has for a few months. All the grunting and grinding doesn't make him a harder worker or a tougher competitor...it just means he's plays an uglier game. His forehand is the best in tennis - he can do whatever he wants with it. It's laser-guided. He still has tremendous footwork. The big weakness with him? Flat, deep shots. He coughs up short balls every time when someone brings these...and that's what Djokovic does so well.

6. Tomas Berdych
-Easy power off both wings. Big serve, but doesn't serve at a high enough percentage to take it to the next level. Doesn't move particularly well...he's tall, but considering he's a baseliner, that's just not going to cut it...as far as contending for Grand Slams, that is. He'll never win one, in all likelihood.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
-Big serve, big forehand, aggressive in coming to the net. Backhand is a liability. Has improved his return of serve. Patchy player, though. Errors can come in waves for him.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro
-Good off both wings, pretty good serve. Hangdog expression makes you wonder how badly he wants it. Injuries that force him out of action come up every now and then.

9. Richard Gasquet
-It's hard to win matches with your backhand as your main weapon.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka
-One of the best ball strikers in tennis. Plays the best losing matches in tennis. A bit too streaky to take that next step.
 

skiracer55

Hall of Fame
Pretty much spot on...

1. Novak Djokovic - Technically he has basically all of the shots, and while only his backhand and return would be considered among the best in the game, he's so solid in all other areas, such a great mover/defender, and has got so much experience on his side now. I still think a Federer can outthink him on a tennis court, but otherwise you're just required to try and blow him off the court (which too few guys have the ability/mental fortitude to do) or outgrind him as Murray and Nadal try and do, and it's 50/50 at best if that's going to work.

2. Andy Murray - I try not to watch him play that often, so it's a little harder to judge, but he's similar to Djokovic just slightly lesser in all departments? His serve is less consistent, his second serve isn't up to much, so that makes him less solid than Novak is too.

3. Roger Federer - I mean he's an artist on a tennis court. He is (or certainly was) an amazing defender to go along with all of that, but I just don't think mentally he's all that strong. He has a tendency to just switch off from time to time, and on those rare occasions when he's truly pressed he even more rarely comes out on top. He seems incredibly stubborn, like he has no interest in a plan B if things aren't working for him, and that makes him super frustrating as well.

4. David Ferrer - Dude has more heart than... a valentine's day card! He could have easily made that top 4 a top 5 except he just has no weapons with which to compete with those big 4 guys. He's got the mentality to absolutely out think, out last, out class all the other guys in his domain (Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych) but you also feel like if those guys get their heads together they'd dismiss him fairly easily too. Good backhand, good return, great mover, can serve really well from time to time, but yeah, he's basically the opposite of the other mental midgets in the top 10.

5. Rafael Nadal - In terms of game he's basically Ferrer with a giant forehand. Rafa's brilliance comes from his mentality. His craftiness ( :) ), his iron will, his smarts, his ability to work through problems, figure ways to overcome his weaknesses. In that regard he's the total opposite to Federer. Unfortunately for him Novak can defend as well (better, given he's stronger off both wings) and just has the perfect game with which to counteract his fairly simple one, so he's run into major trouble.

6. Tomas Berdych - Dude has got the serve and forehand, and hard, hard hitting to go all the way. He's just so horribly inconsistant that he'll go from one day being able to beat anyone, to one day caving hopelessly in first rounds. I also don't really think he's got the game to outduel Djokovic, Murray or Nadal over 5 sets.

7. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga - So much game, so little brain. Dude could be the best in the world if he didn't have the fighting mentality of a kitten.

8. Juan Martin Del Potro - Unlike Berdych and Tsonga, this fella actually has the mental strength to go toe to toe with the big guys. He has the serve and forehand to blow anybody off the court. Unfortunately he's so annoyingly one dimensional on a tennis court that it isn't too hard to work him out, and give him trouble if you play smartly, and consistently enough, and he's so horribly injury prone, and there's a question mark around his general fitness too, so you almost feel he'll never get any really good run going without some health issue coming up.

9. Richard Gasquet - He's like a more extreme version of Federer. Arguably the second greatest artist on a tennis court in the game today, with a game that when it works is hard to cope with. Unfortunately he is, always has been, and probably always will be a mental midget. He also always has been, and probably always will be physically unable to play long, long matches. Certainly not multiple ones in a single tournament. Basically I think he was at a super high level when he was a teenager, and while guys like Nadal, and Djokovic, and Murray all worked at their issues, and weaknesses, and improved their fitness, and their game, this guy was just lazy, and content to coast on ability alone. He probably has more natural talent than all those guys, he's just let it all go tragically to waste.

10. Stanislas Wawrinka - I don't really know what Stan's issue is! He's got all the game you could want to compete at the highest level. I don't think he's mentally weak (unless up against Roger) I guess he's just not consistent enough. He's a pleasure to watch on his day, and he proved in Australia he's not afraid of the top guys.

...here are some comments:

1. All true, especially re that if he has any vulnerability, it's to a big hitter having a great day. And who might that be? Tsonga (could happen, but I don't see it in the late stages of a major). Tomic (I think this kid can win a Major, and soon). Isner (always a possibility, but it usually remains just a possibility). Janowicz (guy plays like a guy in a knife fight in a phone booth).

2. True, but Andy's tougher mentally (US Open champion last year, pulled out a tough 5-sitter against Verdasco at this year's Wimbledon). I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's finally going to win Wimby...this year.

3. True, he pretty much plays his game, and if it doesn't work, he loses. On the other hand, he wins a lot "just playing his game", he's super fit, and he still wants to win majors.

4. Ferrer's just gotta believe a litte more, and he can win a major. Won't be easy, but he can do it.

5. True. Dunno what Rafa's goals are at this point. Hard to imagine him ever not wanting to play, but some day, and soon, he'll be 30, too. He'll always want to win in Paris, but my guess is that his goals are to make a run in the next 2 to 3 years and regain the Wimbledon title and win in New York.

6. True. An overwhelming game when it's on, which it hasn't been the last couple of years. Also pretty one dimensional. I honestly don't see him ever winning a major.

7. All true. All speed, no direction.

8. True. But he really sucked it up and won, with an injury, yesterday at Wimbledon. To me, the guy has a more overwhelming overall game than either Berdych or Tsonga, and certainly more than Isner. Delpo is gonna win another major or two...I'm picking him to win the US Open 2013.

9. All true, but he's definitely recommitted himself to the game of tennis, look at his recent results. Not enough firepower or grit to win a major, though.

10. Stan is a bull, which works for him and against him. He can power his way through opponents by hitting through the court...except when he's having an off day, or his opponents toy him around the court. Good on all surfaces, that's a plus. I say he makes a major final in the next couple of years; whether he wins or not is anybody's guess.
 
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Rob31

Guest
I really don't understand why some people are comparing Gasquet to Federer...
I mean they don't play the same way, Gasquet is a good player with a fantastic backhand (when he attacks with it) but Federer is way more aggressive with his forehand, which is 4 times better than Gasquet's (although Gasquet improved that shot since last year or so), takes the ball way earlier generally and doesn't stand 3 meters behind the baseline like Gasquet does sometimes (particularly on hardcourt).
 
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