Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 11, 2010.
^^I think it was that shuffle board style gear he wore from Li Ning that did it
I am a sucker for anyone who hits big shots with a casual style...thats lube for sure. I like smoooth strokes. I like watching simon and tomic, not big hitters per se but so nice to watch.
Are you guys watching miami, Im smelling another crazy djokodal final, this court is slooow, roddick and monaco are swinging out of their shoes and the ball is just sitting there...
Guys I have a nike dilemma.
Here are my options:
Obtain new v9s (stay with Rogi)
Obtain 4.3s (warranty goating for NSW goods in 3 months)
Stay with v8s (on sale)
The best thing i have worked out with the takeback in terms of keeping it compact is to turn with the shoulders and keep the arms as passive as possible. There is a tendency to turn by lifting the arms too much etc creating a big take back, but doing it with the shoulders gives you a different feel on the take back and gives you a cue to whether youre doing it or not
Agree with this. Dude strikes it so PURE. Also one of the all-time Nice Guys on tour, beloved by all of his fellow players.
Also agree with this. We should get Lube in one of Rafa's neon green or peach cream outfits. That+Lube's too-thick layer of sunblock on his wrinkled dome = goat.
Just caught the end of the first. Is it just me or is Roddick just giving up on some balls? Maybe he's just getting wrong-footed, but I noticed both last night on occasion and then today a few times in those last few games, he just stops and concedes. ... and yeah, this tourney seems destined for RafaDjok final. Would love to see it coming off of the Australian epic. Atmosphere in Miami would be crazy, too, between the heavy Spanish contingent along with the always-representin' Serbs.
I'm biased because I have wide feet and the V9s were the only ones that were able to work for me. Loved the slipper-like upper. Durability is a major concern, unless they've changed the outsole since the ones I got. Ended up selling mine to MD once I discovered the GR4s.
Interesting. I really like this. I was definitely overemphasizing with my arms initially to force the shoulder turn, but that overemphasis was also hindering me at times (but it was ok; I was overemphasizing for a reason)... keeping the arms passive and focusing on the shoulders sounds like a nice thought. I'm going to do this, along with PPs "chin-to-shoulder" when I get back out there.
Wow. Re: Roddick, I kid you not: I had just left the bagel shop when I started watching.
There will always be some arm use, for example the initial racquet prep before the unit turn lifting the racquet so that the tip points up.. but from there, just turn shoulders.. and then at around the completion of the turn, gravity should take over with the arm naturally dropping into the slot ready for the forward swing. Its that in-between bit where alot of people still use the arms and this creates a bigger than required takeback
I want these badly. I've been following Nick Annacone on twitter and he had a sweet pic of his with the blue trim and blue laces. A must have.
I'm rockin' the Propulse 3 in black/green and love them but the V9's will be mine for fall.
Have you seen the Vapors they're releasing in the winter? Here's the link from another thread:
Agassi/Air Tech Challenge inspired.
Aimr you are right..I do the shoulder turn on the backhand because of that chin to shoulder swing thought..I just need to remember that on this side.
Those Vapors are hot. I may have to wait for those.
Fed, was looking at a still frame on my tv just now of Monoco's Vcore during the match.
Looks like he's got lead going on the 3/9 position and extending way up and down from there. It starts around 7 oclock and goes to 10:30ish or so. It should be rock stable.
Copy that I will be investigating that when I get home...totes love the whole vcore line, yonex4life lol
Btw the v9 colorways for later this year are mind numbingly awesome...may have to get the 4.3 just to cash them in for a free pair of the uso v9.
Volley tip worked for me tonight- keep the elbow in, point buttcap to ball, use offhand to swing. This continues in the vain of what we have been talking about on the groundies, and helped me a lot with my volleys.
I am continuing to hit a lot cleaner, and arm the ball a lot less. I can't count how many plush, dead center forehands I was hitting, but it is a lot more than ever before. The black drive really decimates the ball, and the best part is I use so much less energy. Hit with a massive no pace guy tonight and so I did my pusher strategy of deep topsin to corner, follow shot inside the baseline and finish, or hit one more to the corner and finish at net.
It is so hard to hit against no pace...it's crazy, but with this newly grooved stroke it is a lot easier to deal with. I also feel like a higher level player on the groundies since I can hit so big without killing myself. I need to transfer this knowledge to my serve.
Also working a lot on my returns...I still need to figure out some easy thoughts for those besides eye on ball. I can hit hit massive returns, but I can also give away points as well.
Btw, David ferrer. Is this guy the most unappreciated tennis player on the tour? He is simply incredible and so fun to watch. He is always looking to creep to net. I really love his game and feel like I could copy more of it. It is so easy to sit back and baseline bash, but it takes balls to come in like he does. I admire how well he comes to net and I think his style of play is perfect for 4.5 level tennis.
He is in the xl crew, so maybe I am biased but I have always loved this guys game.
TW did a great review on the donnay formula 1..sounds like a pure drive clone. I will say that at the SEO, I did see one pro goating it.
Also, gads..I have seen the reviews and specs on the prestige mp, and I would simply add 2-3 grams of lead at 12. That should have it at 4 pts hl, around 346 grams after everything, and the SW will be close to 320.
Ferrer played his perfect match tonight. Crazy bulldog mode with a better-than-usual serve. Impressed. Now he has to avoid the let-down after such an energetic performance.
Yeah, that Donnay looks interesting, I must say. I like the Pure Drive with 'better feel' comments, and looking at the specs, I definitely like the 320ish swingweight vs the PD's 300ish.
Yes but you'd have to swing this Prestige to get a feel for it. It plays heavier than the specs - a LOT heavier than the Youtek version - which is why each time I've slapped lead at 12 it's felt more sluggish and I've had better success adding weight on the handle.
Interesting development: My man Skeeter happened to be looking for a smaller grip size (1/4), and I'd been wondering if I should have gone with my usual 3/8, and so we agreed to trade frames. Also nice that the one he's sending me is strung up with Babolat Gut/NVy, which will be nice for the shoulder when I start swinging again, which hopefully will be soon. Shoulder feels pretty good now, no pain, just trying to wait out an extra few days at least (it's been a full week) before testing it.
Interesting..that's too bad the mp swings so heavy because it sounds like a great stick for an 18x20 user if the SW was just higher.
And better feel than the 2012 pure drive is impossible,I refuse to believe it
But really the crispy and rich feel of this pure drive is crack addiction. If the donnay is really better, they have a winner, if it was extended, I'd demo, but I can't go there right now..too in love.
Yeah, stay with it. Plus, I'm dubious about the 'feel' of this Donnay, as to be honest, for me that's the one thing Donnay has never been able to nail in any of their sticks. And the most recent Pro One, for me, was no different. Felt a bit on the empty, soulless side. Chris saying that this formula 100 has great feel makes me go, 'well, hmm,' because I trust him more, but still, I'm dubious.
Im liking the pro one so far, have only really hit with it once.. i guess its either a hit or miss with people. Doesnt seem to have consistent reviews
PED, here is a somewhat sexi yet classi pic of monacos vcore lead
Compare to bernie
^^^ Gotta say that vcore 'Sure is 'mitey perdy!'... nice pics.
Diary of a tennis tips-aholic...
Finally playing again tomorrow. This once a week tennis is no fun.:cry: As mentioned before, I'm just going to concentrate on a few of these tips I think - chin to shoulder off both sides (TM Power Player); laid back wrist/ensure racket is pointing towards back-fence on takeback when I have time (TM PED); 'front foot hoppy thing' (TM Richard Meaghan - LOL), or you could call it the Fed-esque put away nailer; butt-cap facing opponent on 2hbh at the end of stroke for fuller oomph factor (PED); and on serve I'm sorely tempted to again experiment with simplified spring-loaded technique (TM Pat Dougherty).
And that is most assuredly ENOUGH!
Nice pics, I guess he's not running it up as high as I thought from the TV pic.
Are you using any lead on yours. I've got 3g at 3/9 on the Tec and its solid-good for really driving the ball.
Ferrer totally confused Del Potro yesterday. And, he did not choke.
Very poweerful groundstrokes also and what a defense. The TV commentator referred to him as The Pitbull, and thats how he played yesterday. Hope he wins the tournament, eventhough Im a Nadal fan.
Also, he was hitting 120 plus mph service. Wow. And he is only 5'9". They say he does not use a Prince EXO (paint job), but if he does, it shows this racket is also good for serving. The spin was amazing in grounstrokes. Nice frame to have in mind.
PP....I hate you. And my wallet hates you even more. Read on.
So, I've been rather happily testing out my freshly strung frames (SP Tornado, Zarlon Black, PC16/Tornado). I knew I was going to be happy with the Tornado since it's my go to string. Everything was there like I wanted it to be and felt great. Zarlon was actually kind of a sruprise for me. Felt like a softer poly but not necessarily in a bad way. It didn't have the same kind of spin potential as Tornado but still enough for me to be pleased and it had great control.
Then I hit with the gut/tornado hybrid. I wanted it to just be ok. To be so so to the point that I could say it was good but not really good enough to seriously consider swtiching. But it just blew my mind. The 6.1 is already a beast but this setup was just a killer. More solid depth on my groundies and I could absolutely blast shots. I was getting seriously improved spin on my slices and kickers. At net it was crisp and responsive. The best part was on blocking back hard serves because it gave me free pop which made those shots go deeper than usual which meant that it kept me in the points and in the games. I don't think that I have ever been so impressed by a string setup ever. Luckily I have a reel of Tornado but I don't know what I am going to do about supplying myself with gut. But it seriously is just too too good not to hit with it.
Yes, I knew you'd like it. It is just so freaking nice in a stiff racquet.
The thing is, you should see how long it lasts. You could get 3 weeks out of it, and that would justify the cost.
I'd try to sell the tornado reel and get the MSV CoFocus which is cheap and will last long as a cross. In the long run, you will not spend more money, since a full poly job should only be in your stick a week at most unless you hate your arm.
If you can't sell the tornado, just use that. I'm just thinking in terms of cost here.
Next thing is to buy the babolat string savers so when you see notching, you can slide them in.
I have a half set of gut and cofocus waiting to be tried in my pure drive, but so far the Rip control is goaty and I dont want to mess with it. I am really happy to have the same setup every time I reach into my bag.
Boricua, Ferrer uses an older Prince..possibly the shark..he also uses an extended length...maybe 28 inches even.
Interesting - I've always been curious in determining which actual frame he uses and there's been conflicting reports over the years... 28" long eh?... for sure, I think I personally prefer serving best with XL racks - just a tad more of everything and for us average height players it seems like you get a slightly more beneficial angle... oh, to be 6" 2"!
It was really just the overall increase in everything. I was expecting the gut to turn the frame into a rocket launcher but it didn't. It's so incredibly controllable. Really the improved feel and touch is what really sells me on this setup.
Yes, this PD+ is the first I have owned where the XL feels like standard. It is cool. I see nothing but advantages now that I am really dialed in and used to it.
Ryu, exactly..the gut is just going to feel amazing and pocket the ball better. You can string high, which is your preference as well. And it matches up so well in the 6.1s..its crazy.
I have two setups, one is stock except for bab leather, this one can do it all.
The other one is at 365 grams with monaco esque lead. I really dig this for doubles. When leaded the gets very muted. Serve is huge and returns awesome.
Forgot to add, hyperion is really good match for this frame.
That setup is Del Po like. I'll bet it punishes the ball.
BTW, saw the V9's in the flesh today. I wanted to them so bad: totally saw myself goating them on the dirt next weekend.
I had to pull my buttcap off of my Tec today to remove a grommet scrap: no silicone in there....surprised TBH
On your FH, are you gripping the stick the same way you would an std length?
I used to hang my palm almost off the buttcap, Fed style but after I used the XL for awhile, I started choking up a bit like Fish or Tsonga on groundies.
It gave me a better feel of the stick in hand and felt like I could really rip it.
Felt like there was more leverage, it doesn't work as well to do it with std length.
Speaking of FH's, Monoco seems to have a similar choked up grip to Tomic. Monoco's prep is high but he comes through more solidly whereas Tomic seems to slap at it.
Weird. No sili? Is it samurai or black pj? Wtf does tour prepared mean then....
Im gassed up for this nadal tsonga clash...
That's a great question..I'm doing both. It matters how I'm hitting..if I am hitting clean I hang the palm sometimes out of habit, but I love what you are saying because I actually have been working that in more and more..also choking up on the volleys as well.
The big key right now is having ideal timing on the uncoil. As long as I am pulling my left hand across with the right timing, I hit really big, gorgeous shots that are signature pure drive..line drives about 3 feet over the net that just drop right down inside the baseline and are loaded with spin. It is a similar ball to the one I hit with the prestige except heavier and harder. If my timing is off, I arm the ball more and the ball is more wrist and spinny. I can fix it though, and it usually just boils down to being tired.
The looser and relaxed my arm is, the cleaner and bigger I am hitting..I need to remember to choke up a little though. I have played 3 hours for 5 straight days now so I'm taking a break until Sunday...may slide in some hitting Friday, but I need to rest. My legs were slow tonight and it took extra concentration to turn my shoulders and prep very time, but I still had a real good time out there. Just hit pockets of inconsistency due to tired legs, but I stand by the revelation I posted last Friday..it has made my tennis so much better.
Eh?... And I thought TF frames now - such as the TF Speedflex 315 I was checking out last year and the TF 320s - all had silicone in the handle?... I mean, I could've sworn that the SF 315 had a nice dampened, vibes-resistant feel?...
Messed up my serve this morning trying to incorporate a foot step thingy. Won't be repeating that again. Chin to shoulder tip was pretty successful. A few others things though less so. Next time out I'm going to focus on one, two things MAX.
I played a right racketaholic today BTW. He played with 4 different frames. It was like players 4 different players. I couldn't stand it - LOL!
Serious GOAT session yesterday with the gut/poly setup. I really found the groove on the forehand side and was able to mix things up a lot. I have to admit, I was enjoying the crazy topspin shot but my favorite was the flatter but spinny forehand that looks like it's going long and falls just in. Too much fun. I also got my serve to click and was able to hit my spots on command.
I played a set with one our Varisty players. This kid has made some serious improvement and had a lot of variety in his game. Was able to take the set off of him 8-5. Looking forward to more hitting today.
^ Ry... a little cheaper option in terms of gut = Gamma Professional 16g. Just strung this up for my bro in a hybrid with tourbite 16L on his Ps90. Feels and looks like gut, especially the newer type of vs gut which is a little stiffer than the old.
Neither X-1 or excel feel or look like this one.
Question is now, will it fray (like gut) or snap like certain multis?
First time I strung tourbite as well. This stuff is stiff and dangerous! It's sharp. I have a feeling it will eat through the GammaPro. Probably as stiff, if not stiffer than alu. I know it's slightly more comfortable than alu (play-wise), but man is this stuff dangerous.
BTW- I wanted to ask those who string, like PP, what's a good syn.gut that performs somewhat like a poly?
I want to buy a reel. I was looking at Babolat syn.gut, forten sweet and Gosen og micro.
Anybody have experience with these?
There is no syn gut that performs like a poly. If you want a cross, the best by far is Babo NVy.
If you want a full bed, the only option I have found is RIP Control, and that is a multi.
^ PP? Have you tried the intellitour hybrid set? Looks intriguing. RIP feel and RIP control? Something like that.
Thanks for that. Will look into the Nvy.
No, I have heard it is pretty good. I just love the RIP Control..there are so many strings, once you find something that works you just have to ride it out. I am playing so much better now.
^ Good move. Consistency.
I know it impossible to find a syn.gut that performs like a poly but I'm looking for something to replace POSG. My wife swears by this string. She loves it. I think it's the crisp feeling she likes but this stuff moves and snaps like no other. Good thing it's so cheap. I want to get some mulit with a syn.gut cross for her, to keep that crisp feel. She hates polys, except for BB ace at low tension. Have 1/2 a set of gamma pro that I'll cross with POSG for her tonight but am looking at other options. The NVy could be that. I'll order some sets of syn.guts and test!
Nvy blows in a full bed though..try Wilson Stamina in a full bed..I love that stuff.
^ I'm looking into anything to hybrid with a multi.
She grew up playing with POSG (back then there weren't too many options), so it's familiarity with her. She plays with so much spin, especially off the back-hand, that POSG just isn't cutting it. It was fine in the PresMid but in the IG Instinct, it just moves and snaps way too often.
Gotta log off now, at work :smile:
Just got transferred to a new department, last week, and there is a girl here of Polish decent that works in appropriations, just down the hall, who looks like Kirilenko... prrrrrrr..... Will try, at some point, to get some lunch with her and take a candid photo.
Good thing my uncle married a polish woman. I know a little polish. Made her smile by saying 'kiss me, black man' in Polish.
Yo, PP - I ordered a few sets of RIP 17 to try in the PSTGT. Haven't yet found a string setup that does everything well for long enough. The frame itself is perfect though - slap a leather on it, it's 355g strung with a dampener, and puts a good licking on the ball. At least when I'm playing enough to get good racquet head speed.
I see you're playing it at 58# - how is the feel at that tension? I've tried full poly at 54# (too dead), poly/multi at 54/58 (just right, but didn't play at peak form for long enough to justify the cost) and gut/poly at 59/54 (which was OK, but a little dead for my tastes).
I feel like I just need something a bit more crisp that has just enough pop, but puts a bite on the ball (hence my attraction to RIP). If RIP doesn't work, I'm going to take a shot with PSGD - that's my default "need a crisp string that has some pop" string.
Which gut are you goating? Bab Vs? Just curious. Was really tough for me to control gut the last couple times I tried it, just too much power after having gotten used to poly.
I second the recommendation of Babolat N Vy as a cross. I have yet to experience a stringbed I haven't liked that has had Vy as a cross.
This kind of made my day.
^ The work environment is a dangerous place. Especially if you're married.
How's the shoulder going Gads? Is it muscle fatigue..ie.. soreness.... or a sharp intermittent pain?
I noticed that the YouTek tec-stuff does work and irritated my wrists and shoulder when I was demo'ng. Just a thought. The IG is supposed to be softer though.
Anyone on here hit with the IG Radical Midplus?
It looks like they've beefed it up by around 10g and it might be a better starting platform. TW review was good on and Carol and Jason seemed to really like it. Chris not so much
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