Did 2018 Wimbledon SF Affect 2019 Wimbledon F?

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In an alternate universe, the Anderson-Isner match ends in 4 sets, saving us from a marathon 5th set. With the match ended earlier, Nadal and Djokovic start their match outdoors. This means if they need to still play the next day, the match will also be held outdoors. That one change in how early the Anderson-Isner match ends creates the following web of changes:

1) Nadal's chances of winning the SF match, and Wimbledon in general, goes up.
2) If Nadal wins 2018 Wimbledon, he is seeded #1 in 2019 Wimbledon. Meaning Djokovic and Federer are drawn in the same half in 2019 and cannot meet in the Finals.
3) The Anderson-Isner match was the final straw that led Wimbledon to implement a 5th set tiebreak. Therefore, 2019 Wimbledon will have no 5th set tiebreak. Meaning that even if Federer and Djokovic go long in their meeting like in our universe, it would not ended after 12-12.

What say you?
 
Think back even further....what if Djokovic hadn't insisted he play his quarter final match on Centre Court....
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
I don't understand
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Djoko was initially placed on Court 1 & Fed was on centre court for their respective QF matches. But Djoko argued with organisers that they were always putting Fed on CC & not him, so organisers and Fed relented and let Djoko have his way, so Fed played on C1 & Djoko on CC.

Now, C1 plays faster than CC and its a known fact. So, had Fed played on CC against Anderson (who defeated him in 5 sets) on a slower court, then the servebotting of Anderson would've not been as effective as it was on C1. Hence, Federer beats Anderson in 3 (had a match point on return to do it anyways). Then he beats Isner in 3/4 in the SF, so no long AF tiebreaks. Then Rafa beats Djokovic in SF & Fed in F to take the title.

No Isner Anderson = no fifth set TB = Fraud eventually outlasts Djoko in set 5 of 2019 final.
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
In an alternate universe, the Anderson-Isner match ends in 4 sets, saving us from a marathon 5th set. With the match ended earlier, Nadal and Djokovic start their match outdoors. This means if they need to still play the next day, the match will also be held outdoors. That one change in how early the Anderson-Isner match ends creates the following web of changes:

1) Nadal's chances of winning the SF match, and Wimbledon in general, goes up.
2) If Nadal wins 2018 Wimbledon, he is seeded #1 in 2019 Wimbledon. Meaning Djokovic and Federer are drawn in the same half in 2019 and cannot meet in the Finals.
3) The Anderson-Isner match was the final straw that led Wimbledon to implement a 5th set tiebreak. Therefore, 2019 Wimbledon will have no 5th set tiebreak. Meaning that even if Federer and Djokovic go long in their meeting like in our universe, it would not ended after 12-12.

What say you?
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Here is my take:
Nadal would win 2018 Wimbledon, beating Djokovic and Anderson back-to-back.
In 2019 Wimbledon, Federer would meet Djokovic in the SF, but defeat him in 4 sets (if Djokovic played like he did in the 2019 final) or in 5 sets (if Djokovic played like he did in the 2018 SF) the semis, because Federer is much less prone to choking in SF stages of grand slams than in the finals.
However, Federer would lose to Nadal in the final, because this is the FINAL, but the semis. Federer would somehow find a way to choke away the match.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Djoko was initially placed on Court 1 & Fed was on centre court for their respective QF matches. But Djoko argued with organisers that they were always putting Fed on CC & not him, so organisers and Fed relented and let Djoko have his way, so Fed played on C1 & Djoko on CC.

Now, C1 plays faster than CC and its a known fact. So, had Fed played on CC against Anderson (who defeated him in 5 sets) on a slower court, then the servebotting of Anderson would've not been as effective as it was on C1. Hence, Federer beats Anderson in 3 (had a match point on return to do it anyways). Then he beats Isner in 3/4 in the SF, so no long AF tiebreaks. Then Rafa beats Djokovic in SF & Fed in F to take the title.

No Isner Anderson = no fifth set TB = Fraud eventually outlasts Djoko in set 5 of 2019 final.
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Nah, I doubt the difference between C1 and CC would change the outcome of Federer-Anderson.
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
Nah, I doubt the difference between C1 and CC would change the outcome of Federer-Anderson.
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Tbh if Fraud wasn't such a púßsy, he'd have beaten KAndy no matter what. That collapse after set 2 was telling and laid foundation for another (and bigger) choke next year against Djoko.
 
Berrettini_Fan said:
In an alternate universe, the Anderson-Isner match ends in 4 sets, saving us from a marathon 5th set. With the match ended earlier, Nadal and Djokovic start their match outdoors. This means if they need to still play the next day, the match will also be held outdoors. That one change in how early the Anderson-Isner match ends creates the following web of changes:

1) Nadal's chances of winning the SF match, and Wimbledon in general, goes up.
2) If Nadal wins 2018 Wimbledon, he is seeded #1 in 2019 Wimbledon. Meaning Djokovic and Federer are drawn in the same half in 2019 and cannot meet in the Finals.
3) The Anderson-Isner match was the final straw that led Wimbledon to implement a 5th set tiebreak. Therefore, 2019 Wimbledon will have no 5th set tiebreak. Meaning that even if Federer and Djokovic go long in their meeting like in our universe, it would not ended after 12-12.

What say you?
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we would (still) be in the anderson era...

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fedfan24 said:
Chelsea 2012 CL, Real Madrid 2016/2018 CL title, luckiest football wins of all time.

It goes to show, life (and sports) isn’t always fair. The best player or team doesn’t always win. Sometimes the worse but lucky player gets the breaks.
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OK, yeah I definitely gotta agree with you on this one. Well said.
I would also maybe include the 1990 boxing match between Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas? What say you?
 
Hitman said:
Think back even further....what if Djokovic hadn't insisted he play his quarter final match on Centre Court....
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Berrettini_Fan said:
I don't understand
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At 2018 Wimbledon, before men's quarter finals day (i.e. Wednesday), Djokovic mentioned that he wasn't getting many matches on Centre Court as a former 3-time Wimbledon champion, while Federer was getting a lot of such matches. The Federer vs. Anderson quarter final match was then put on Court 1, where Federer was 1 point away from winning in straight sets but ended up losing 11-13 in the fifth set. Djokovic beat Nishikori in 4 sets on Centre Court in his quarter final.

The Friday events are well known. Anderson vs. Isner was supposed to be the warm up to the main event of Nadal vs. Djokovic. Anderson vs. Isner then lasted an absurd 6 hours and 36 minutes, with Anderson winning 26-24 in the fifth set, meaning that Nadal and Djokovic didn't even get on Centre Court until after 8pm, meaning that the roof was closed from the start of the match. Nadal started slow, Djokovic started better and Djokovic won the first set. From the second set onwards, Nadal was largely playing the better tennis, and won the second set, and had set points in the third set as the clock was around 11pm and the curfew. Nadal failed to take the set points, and Djokovic won the third set at 11:03pm. Then there was controversy when the referee, Andrew Jarrett, said that both players had to consent for the roof to be opened at the start of the next day's play. Djokovic refused and wanted the roof kept on. This was during the crazy May to July 2018 heatwave in the UK where there was hardly any rain and temperatures in the 25-35 degree Celsius range throughout the days. Nadal vs. Djokovic ended up being the only match played indoors at 2018 Wimbledon.

On the Saturday, at the start of the fourth set, Nadal started the better player, and won the fourth set. Deep in the fifth set, as Djokovic shouted at his box like a desperate animal, and as Nadal looked poised to break the Djokovic serve, Nadal failed to do so (like the third set tiebreak all over again). Djokovic eventually won 10-8 in the fifth set. Make no mistake, this changed tennis history. I honestly believe that if Nadal had won this match, Djokovic today would be on a maximum of 15 majors, and perhaps even still on 12. Djokovic had already gone over 2 years without winning a major at the time of 2018 Wimbledon, with Nadal and Federer sharing the last 6 major titles between them.
 
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Third Serve said:
I hate the fifth set rule but if Fed wanted to win he should have taken the first set instead of completely choking away the tiebreak.
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Federer played 3 bad tiebreaks in the 2019 Wimbledon final, especially the third and fifth set tiebreaks. In the first set tiebreak, he made several bad errors.
 
Mustard said:
Federer played 3 bad tiebreaks in the 2019 Wimbledon final, especially the third and fifth set tiebreaks. In the first set tiebreak, he made several bad errors.
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All the tiebreaks were bad from him but Djokovic wasn’t even good in the first two of those. He brought a good level to the fifth set tiebreak so I can understand Fed not winning that one, but Novak was there for the taking in the first and third ones.
 
Third Serve said:
All the tiebreaks were bad from him but Djokovic wasn’t even good in the first two of those. He brought a good level to the fifth set tiebreak so I can understand Fed not winning that one, but Novak was there for the taking in the first and third ones.
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I thought that Federer was flat in the third and fifth set tiebreaks, and made bad errors in the first set tiebreak.

It was weird because, outside of that, Federer largely dominated up to 5-1 in the fourth set. It became a bit messy after that though, with Djokovic leading 4-2 in the fifth set, Federer serving for it and having 2 championship points at 8-7, and Federer having 2 break points at 11-11.
 
To answer the question though OP, no, the Wimby 2018 SF result didn’t have an impact on the AO 2019 F…But the roof did have an impact on the Wimby 2018 SF result :p
 
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