Did anyone notice Courier was annoyed?

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Speaking on Harrisons draw? That got me to thinking, how many times do US players "draw" a high profile player in the first rd on American soil? I know he played him early at IW, didnt the Young have string of bad draws? Hasnt Russel and Levine played Fed and Nadal in first rds? Anyone notice this anomoly in other tourney or slams with respective countries players? Thoughts...
 
Are you suggesting that draws should be rigged to give home country players an advantage?

Sorry but I don't think so.
 
Do you not comprehend how the draw works? I dont think I suggested anything, it was an observation on how regular it is for a US player to draw a high profile player in the first rd... Now all of this coming mostly from memory, some may have been second rd matches I dont know. Looking for some more insight.
 
sureshs said:
What is the point in being annoyed?
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It seems a little funny, Young and Harrison break away from the USTA and both seem to get the shaft in draws soon after... There are an awful lot of times a US player gets a seed.

More than seems reasonable, though I havent looked at how many French or Spanish etc. his happens to it def at times happens alot for Americans... I have not looked st other slams either.
 
Draws would only ever be rigged for the high profile players for financial incentives, not some lowly ranked nobody like Harrison even if he was born under the stars and stripes.
 
mellowyellow said:
Speaking on Harrisons draw? That got me to thinking, how many times do US players "draw" a high profile player in the first rd on American soil? I know he played him early at IW, didnt the Young have string of bad draws? Hasnt Russel and Levine played Fed and Nadal in first rds? Anyone notice this anomoly in other tourney or slams with respective countries players? Thoughts...
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There's no logic in your observation. They wouldn't do that. They 'purposely' drew him for a high profile player in the first rd... to be dispatched sooner. Yeah nice favor they are doing harrison. If they were trying to expose him to more viewers and celebrate his national roots they would give him easier draws to give him more rounds before he faced top seeds. That's why your little conspiracy doesn't make any sense. :oops:
 
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mellowyellow said:
It seems a little funny, Young and Harrison break away from the USTA and both seem to get the shaft in draws soon after... There are an awful lot of times a US player gets a seed.

More than seems reasonable, though I havent looked at how many French or Spanish etc. his happens to it def at times happens alot for Americans... I have not looked st other slams either.
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You think it "more than seems reasonable" that the USTA are not only rigging draws, but are doing so to gain revenge on their own young players? Super interesting.
 
tacou said:
You think it "more than seems reasonable" that the USTA are not only rigging draws, but are doing so to gain revenge on their own young players? Super interesting.
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I think that considerig the state of tennis in the US, it is plausible to get US faces in front of the viewer the only way thats definite. That would be in the first rd... Young, and Harrison have had their respective differences with the USTA. Young has played Fed, and now Harrison has played Nadal. In both instances the draw odds are the best at AVOIDING the first and second seeds. Is it coincidence that Scolville Jenkins got the 2nd seed on 04, and the 1st seed in 07?
 
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mellowyellow said:
Speaking on Harrisons draw? That got me to thinking, how many times do US players "draw" a high profile player in the first rd on American soil? I know he played him early at IW, didnt the Young have string of bad draws? Hasnt Russel and Levine played Fed and Nadal in first rds? Anyone notice this anomoly in other tourney or slams with respective countries players? Thoughts...
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And all those players are lucky to get a wc. If any of them managed to play better, then they wouldn't have such low seedlings to play high level folks.
 
mellowyellow said:
So you are saying WC are placed not drawn?
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I can't say as I'm not in a position to say. I do think that if you get a WC, you maybe likely to get a top person. Not to say that Qualies wouldn't either, but, but qualies earn thier spot, and they also earn more points.

Harrison hasn't shown much of anything except his volatile temper. Gulbis always gets told he's uninspired due to his wealth, well what's Harrison's excuse?
 
bullfan said:
I can't say as I'm not in a position to say. I do think that if you get a WC, you maybe likely to get a top person. Not to say that Qualies wouldn't either, but, but qualies earn thier spot, and they also earn more points.

Harrison hasn't shown much of anything except his volatile temper. Gulbis always gets told he's uninspired due to his wealth, well what's Harrison's excuse?
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Their are 96 unseeded players all in "pot" to pick from, they are not placed. With Harrison, Young and Jenkins you have 3 Americans pulled first or second in the draw 4 times over a span of 9 years... For the USO. You dont think those odds of American players being drawn first or second out of 96/95 players is suspicious, 4 times in 9 years?
 
mellowyellow said:
Their are 96 unseeded players all in "pot" to pick from, they are not placed. With Harrison, Young and Jenkins you have 3 Americans pulled first or second in the draw 4 times over a span of 9 years... For the USO. You dont think those odds of American players being drawn first or second out of 96/95 players is suspicious, 4 times in 9 years?
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That's on the USOpen.... and do the other GS have their folks playing the big dogs in first round? I'm not sure. Does the USOpen skew the seeds, I would say so in my opinion. But, that's just my opinion.
 
TE=NEW_BORN;7694599]Draws would only ever be rigged for the high profile players for financial incentives, not some lowly ranked nobody like Harrison even if he was born under the stars and stripes.[/QUOTE]

wrong, you only look at the end result, your not looking at getting Americans on TV for an American tourney. Its been proven that viewership increases when an Countryman is playing their home tourney, simple economics...
 
bullfan said:
That's on the USOpen.... and do the other GS have their folks playing the big dogs in first round? I'm not sure. Does the USOpen skew the seeds, I would say so in my opinion. But, that's just my opinion.
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I havent researched that, this all came from memory, then some very basic research that added Jenkins to the stats.
 
mellowyellow said:
I havent researched that, this all came from memory, then some very basic research that added Jenkins to the stats.
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Quite frankly, I don't know what to make of your post. Don't know who Jenkins is, nor think that he matters if he doesn't include other slams. The other issue, that is important is how players are ranked. For example, Harrison, is ranked 97th. Given the number of seeds, he's most likely playing a higher numbered seed. He wouldn't be playing a lower level seed. There isn't a lower level than his to play, unless he lucked out to play a qualie. It's kinda offensive to give a qualie to a seed at 97 to the other players. Ryan gets more visibility to play Rafa than Ernests Gulbis.
 
bullfan said:
Quite frankly, I don't know what to make of your post. Don't know who Jenkins is, nor think that he matters if he doesn't include other slams. The other issue, that is important is how players are ranked. For example, Harrison, is ranked 97th. Given the number of seeds, he's most likely playing a higher numbered seed. He wouldn't be playing a lower level seed. There isn't a lower level than his to play, unless he lucked out to play a qualie. It's kinda offensive to give a qualie to a seed at 97 to the other players. Ryan gets more visibility to play Rafa than Ernests Gulbis.
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You clearly do not understand that besides the 32 seeds everyone else is "randomly" drawn. Makes no difference where you are ranked or if WC or Qualifier, they all get picked from the same hat. Jenkins was a US up and comer in the early/mid 2000's.
 
mellowyellow said:
You clearly do not understand that besides the 32 seeds everyone else is "randomly" drawn. Makes no difference where you are ranked or if WC or Qualifier, they all get picked from the same hat. Jenkins was a US up and comer in the early/mid 2000's.
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Who cares.... when they are lowly ranked, they don't deserve any specialness just because they are americans....

Jeeze, sounds like sour grapes to me. Ryan Harrison has been lucky to play, as has Michael Russel. Not like either of them would do much no matter what.
 
Guys who think this is a conspiracy - *all* the WCs are americans, except for two. There are a *lot* of random low-ranked americans in the draw. It's not at all surprising that every year, at least some low-ranked american ends up playing a top seed. There's just a lot of low-ranked americans in the draw.
 
Max G. said:
Guys who think this is a conspiracy - *all* the WCs are americans, except for two. There are a *lot* of random low-ranked americans in the draw. It's not at all surprising that every year, at least some low-ranked american ends up playing a top seed. There's just a lot of low-ranked americans in the draw.
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It also happens more in the other GS. The us doesn't have a market on it, although the USOpen has pretty much skewed the winner based on the scheduling. Thus, I see Nadal or Fed as the winner. Shoot Nishikori has done his part in Feds quarter as the top draw loser in Feds quarter.
 
The draws are pretty simple to understand. If you suck (i.e. have a low ranking) you'll get a top player early on so that you can't get very far past 1st or 2nd round and still suck. ;)
 
SwankPeRFection said:
The draws are pretty simple to understand. If you suck (i.e. have a low ranking) you'll get a top player early on so that you can't get very far past 1st or 2nd round and still suck. ;)
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Yea, one would think that only a total loser would get Query and Robredo in their draw, along with Nishikori as the top draw, who lost in round 1! One couldnt ask for a better draw if they were named Federer.... Oh, yea, that's Fed's easy peesy draw!
 
mellowyellow said:
Speaking on Harrisons draw? That got me to thinking, how many times do US players "draw" a high profile player in the first rd on American soil? I know he played him early at IW, didnt the Young have string of bad draws? Hasnt Russel and Levine played Fed and Nadal in first rds? Anyone notice this anomoly in other tourney or slams with respective countries players? Thoughts...
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Quite frankly, it seems that you *******ed Couriers comments off the bat to suit you need needs.


You made a title thread, and then immediately *******ed Couriers words into your agenda......
 
Its funny, a bunch of idiots, that dont even understand how a draw works want to post on how it is don... At least 2 maybe more posters think player rank has to do with selection, LMAO...
 
Draws are rigged, because they are SUPPOSED to be. They are rigged based mainly upon ranking so that these players will tend to last longer and play more matches, which is what the fans want.
A draw that was not rigged would be randomly selected and would almost certainly be not appreciated as much by the fans.
 
Camilio Pascual said:
Draws are rigged, because they are SUPPOSED to be. They are rigged based mainly upon ranking so that these players will tend to last longer and play more matches, which is what the fans want.
A draw that was not rigged would be randomly selected and would almost certainly be not appreciated as much by the fans.
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Exactly, the numbers basically prove this in different ways like the Djoko/Fed semi matchups. In this case the US players have little chance making the 2nd rd no matter who they play, so to drum interest have them play a top player, good for TV at a time when Brian Earley himself has said is the slow point of the tourney. How else are you going to draw American interest in the sport.
 
Harrison may be one of the most promising names in USA tennis and his name familiar to a lot of people because of it, he is ranked #97 and it is likely that any player ranked this low might get to play a player ranked very high in round 1.
 
Their are also always a few first rd matches where WC/Q/LL play each other. This year their are 3 such matches, that make the whole if if your rank sucks you get a top player thought hold absolutely no water...
 
nobody in the history of tennis has gotten worse draws than Dimitrov. The guy would have been in the top 10 had he not drawn the number 1 seed for pretty much every single tournament last year. Tough to get your ranking up that way while you watch scrubs like Milos eat up jank to feed his bloated ranking
 
mellowyellow said:
I think that considerig the state of tennis in the US, it is plausible to get US faces in front of the viewer the only way thats definite. That would be in the first rd... Young, and Harrison have had their respective differences with the USTA. Young has played Fed, and now Harrison has played Nadal. In both instances the draw odds are the best at AVOIDING the first and second seeds. Is it coincidence that Scolville Jenkins got the 2nd seed on 04, and the 1st seed in 07?
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I have to admit, that's a lot of occasions when that happens in the last several years.
 
mellowyellow said:
I think that considerig the state of tennis in the US, it is plausible to get US faces in front of the viewer the only way thats definite. That would be in the first rd... Young, and Harrison have had their respective differences with the USTA. Young has played Fed, and now Harrison has played Nadal. In both instances the draw odds are the best at AVOIDING the first and second seeds. Is it coincidence that Scolville Jenkins got the 2nd seed on 04, and the 1st seed in 07?
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1) A player always has a better chance of drawing the other 126 players. That's just math.
2) Check out Harrison's GS draws for the last 3 years. Do you think the USTA has also bribed the other federations to give him god awful draws regularly?
 
mellowyellow said:
TE=NEW_BORN;7694599]Draws would only ever be rigged for the high profile players for financial incentives, not some lowly ranked nobody like Harrison even if he was born under the stars and stripes

wrong, you only look at the end result, your not looking at getting Americans on TV for an American tourney. Its been proven that viewership increases when an Countryman is playing their home tourney, simple economics.
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Whenever someone says it's "simple economics", it usually becomes clear that they understand nothing about economics.
 
mellowyellow said:
Speaking on Harrisons draw? That got me to thinking, how many times do US players "draw" a high profile player in the first rd on American soil? I know he played him early at IW, didnt the Young have string of bad draws? Hasnt Russel and Levine played Fed and Nadal in first rds? Anyone notice this anomoly in other tourney or slams with respective countries players? Thoughts...
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I haven't read the thread so sure someone else has mentioned this but:

If the US players were good enough to be seeded, this wouldn't happen.
 
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