Did anyone notice Rafael checking with Toni?

[OTMPut]

In the second set.
He was down a set and Stan was serving out of his mind.

Rafael looks at Toni. Toni's says something and gestures with hand. The camera quickly cuts away.
Then they showed a replay of Rafael actually gesturing to Toni.

Isn't this plain embarrassing?
He may have all the titles. That doesn't mean he is GOAT.

 

[zacinnc78]

hopefully someone will upload this clip ...if anybody finds it please post it here

 

[Tenez101]

Didn't catch this, but if it's real I'd like to see it. Just plain embarrassing for me as a Rafa fan if what you're hinting at is actually the case. :-?

 

[Russeljones]

What did you think it meant at the time? I missed it.

 

[Talker]

In the second set.
He was down a set and Stan was serving out of his mind.

Rafael looks at Toni. Toni's says something and gestures with hand. The camera quickly cuts away.
Then they showed a replay of Rafael actually gesturing to Toni.

Isn't this plain embarrassing?
He may have all the titles. That doesn't mean he is GOAT.

Yeah, I saw it. And he's still tier two BTW.

 

[checkmilu]

I saw it but I didn't record the match. Toni signaled Nadal to take MTO when Nadal told him he is hurt...as their body language and expression,,, I don't understand Spanish so not sure 100% what they said

 

[Bartelby]

Time violation, fake injury and coaching - the unholy trinity.

 

[zacinnc78]

Time violation, fake injury and coaching - the unholy trinity.

theres still more to the puzzle too lol

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Time violation, fake injury and coaching - the unholy trinity.

amen !

 

[tennisaddict]

They showed on Espn. Toni responded as well.

 

[namelessone]

In the second set.
He was down a set and Stan was serving out of his mind.

Rafael looks at Toni. Toni's says something and gestures with hand. The camera quickly cuts away.
Then they showed a replay of Rafael actually gesturing to Toni.

Isn't this plain embarrassing?
He may have all the titles. That doesn't mean he is GOAT.

And?

What is the point of your post?

Toni was actually telling(not signalling) Rafa to quit while he was still in the first set with Ferrer in 2011. Here, probably gestured to Rafa that he should take a timeout to get his back sorted. He was probably worried about his nephew's condition.

And anyway, if this is all a ploy to cool off Wawrinka with a strategic MTO and Nadal's injury was fake, shouldn't Nadal know the routine by now? Does he need Tony to signal the MTO every time? I mean, how hard can it be, when you are losing, take a MTO before your opponent's serve.

The Nadal are the mafia of the ATP world, they can slow down surfaces and rig draws but simple things such as these elude them.

 

[SLD76]

And?

What is the point of your post?

Toni was actually telling(not signalling) Rafa to quit while he was still in the first set with Ferrer in 2011. Here, probably gestured to Rafa that he should take a timeout to get his back sorted. He was probably worried about his nephew's condition.

And anyway, if this is all a ploy to cool off Wawrinka with a strategic MTO and Nadal's injury was fake, shouldn't Nadal know the routine by now? Does he need Tony to signal the MTO every time? I mean, how hard can it be, when you are losing, take a MTO before your opponent's serve.

The Nadal are the mafia of the ATP world, they can slow down surfaces and rig draws but simple things such as these elude them.

lol..defending unto death. Sigh, I havent missed this place at all.

 

[Forehand Of Doom]

He was communicating about the injury.

 

[Steve0904]

lol..defending unto death. Sigh, I havent missed this place at all.

No, it's hard to miss it. Nice to have you back though.

 

[Steve0904]

He was communicating about the injury.

That was my thought too.

 

[chjtennis]

A player shouldn't communicate with his coach during a match, should he? I don't want to label Rafa as a cheater, but rule is a rule. He better follow it in the future.

 

[SLD76]

No, it's hard to miss it. Nice to have you back though.

thanks,bro

10kotters.

 

[dudeski]

In the second set.
He was down a set and Stan was serving out of his mind.

Rafael looks at Toni. Toni's says something and gestures with hand. The camera quickly cuts away.
Then they showed a replay of Rafael actually gesturing to Toni.

Isn't this plain embarrassing?
He may have all the titles. That doesn't mean he is GOAT.

He is a GOAT at two things: cheating and OCDs.

 

[Manus Domini]

And?

What is the point of your post?

Toni was actually telling(not signalling) Rafa to quit while he was still in the first set with Ferrer in 2011. Here, probably gestured to Rafa that he should take a timeout to get his back sorted. He was probably worried about his nephew's condition.

And anyway, if this is all a ploy to cool off Wawrinka with a strategic MTO and Nadal's injury was fake, shouldn't Nadal know the routine by now? Does he need Tony to signal the MTO every time? I mean, how hard can it be, when you are losing, take a MTO before your opponent's serve.

The Nadal are the mafia of the ATP world, they can slow down surfaces and rig draws but simple things such as these elude them.

Right, condition. :roll:

Diagnosed as ********itis.

 

[Omega_7000]

Not surprising but interesting...any link to a video?

 

[cronus]

He was communicating about the injury.

like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLVy77i7hxw

 

[Rozroz]

no link??? -----

 

[Gimmick]

He was communicating about the injury.

Is it within the rules to communicate with your coach during the match?

 

[Gonzalito17]

Looked like this communication triggered the back grimace and medical timeout.

 

[Gonzalito17]

They first said the injury happened in warm up. Why was there no communication by Rafa to Toni about an "injury" when the score was 0-0?

 

[SteveI]

Is it within the rules to communicate with your coach during the match?

There is no coaching.. unless you are Rafa and Toni

 

[Gonzalito17]

I have never once seen Federer being coached or talked to by anyone from his box. Federer is a class sportsman. Plays by the rules.

 

[rommil]

Fed was coached on court all the time between 2003 to 06

 

[Sentinel]

Time violation, fake injury and coaching - the unholy trinity.

That is balanced out by the holy rituals he performs with his undergarments between points.

 

[NatF]

Fed was coached on court all the time between 2003 to 06

Because he coached himself?

 

[bullfan]

A player shouldn't communicate with his coach during a match, should he? I don't want to label Rafa as a cheater, but rule is a rule. He better follow it in the future.

Players are allowed to talk to their box, the box is not allowed to talk back.

 

[borg number one]

Nadal felt twinges in the week before the final, but per Toni Nadal, they were not enough to cause a problem. It likely got worse while he was practicing between the SF and the final. In the SF, the blister had healed and the back was not enough to really bother him. Then, by the second set, he was suffering from back pain or back spasms, with perhaps a pulled muscle. The timing was unfortunate for him, but he'll be back at full strength most likely within a week. As far as his box, I think they knew it was a potential problem right from the outset and when they saw him really pull up in pain, they too realized that basically the match was over for Nadal.

 

[Rozroz]

can someone please look at the 2nd set and find it? i couldn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLTDSXZyLww

 

[ivan_the_terrible]

There have been so many times I've seen the camera showing Uncle Phony coaching and then quickly cut away. Why? Who are they protecting?

Anyway - I saw the clip - it was a millisecond or so. Funny thing is he always glances up at the TV screen and sneakily tugs his hat down low over his eyes..lol.

Guilty as charged - no coaching allowed.

 

[Rozroz]

There have been so many times I've seen the camera showing Uncle Phony coaching and then quickly cut away. Why? Who are they protecting?

Anyway - I saw the clip - it was a millisecond or so. Funny thing is he always glances up at the TV screen and sneakily tugs his hat down low over his eyes..lol.

Guilty as charged - no coaching allowed.

what clip? i looked carefully at the opening of the 2nd set till the MTO,
there was only one time when he was encouraging...
no signalling or anything illegal.

 

[TheF1Bob]

LOL I saw this too. Funny that they had camera on Toni throughout the match.

I wonder who put it there? He was clearly unaware of it. :lol:

 

[federrero]

I saw it as well while watching the recorded match on my PC. I can post it tomorrow if by that time nobody else does it.

 

[Boom-Boom]

I can post it tomorrow if by that time nobody else does it.

thanks that would be interesting

 

[Rozroz]

I saw it as well while watching the recorded match on my PC. I can post it tomorrow if by that time nobody else does it.

couldn't you just tell the exact moment in the match? i'll look for it on YT.

 

[Fed_Djoker_Fan]

In the second set.
He was down a set and Stan was serving out of his mind.

Rafael looks at Toni. Toni's says something and gestures with hand. The camera quickly cuts away.
Then they showed a replay of Rafael actually gesturing to Toni.

Isn't this plain embarrassing?
He may have all the titles. That doesn't mean he is GOAT.

Because of these tactics, Federer lost 23-10...Its just coz cheating

 

[SteveI]

Because of these tactics, Federer lost 23-10...Its just coz cheating

Nothing to do with Rafa v Fed.

 

[TennisTalkingGirl]

Not sure why Nadal even needs to look up. He can win without Toni....can't he?

 

[Bartelby]

You've got it in one. Excellent post.

Because of these tactics, Federer lost 23-10...Its just coz cheating

 

[Forehand Of Doom]

He was communicating with Toni about the injury. As much as this may disappoint some of you, it wasn't coaching this time.

 

[Forehand Of Doom]

Is it within the rules to communicate with your coach during the match?

Yes. Just not to receive coaching.

 

[federrero]

Two way communication, is not it?

http://youtu.be/IlbDKAJjbbE

 

[Tenez101]

Not sure why Nadal even needs to look up. He can win without Toni....can't he?

Of course he can. He did it Montreal last year (in fact playing better there than at USO, imo).

 

[Bartelby]

Does not a coach provide advice about an injury if asked?

In fact, we know Uncle Toni gave him advice as he said he did.

He was communicating with Toni about the injury. As much as this may disappoint some of you, it wasn't coaching this time.

 

[urundai]

Two way communication, is not it?

http://youtu.be/IlbDKAJjbbE

Wow. I remember seeing it but the sequence of the TV shots (Toni first and then Nadal) kind of didn't latch on my brain. When I viewed what you posted, it was clear.

Maybe Nadal was telling his stroke didn't work and Toni was just re-affirming a pre-match strategy but still, makes you wonder. Wish every coach had the composure of Lendl & Edberg and not get animated during the game or shout.

 

[Bartelby]

Yes, well, they put the coaches close to the players because it makes good television, so the authorities could put them at the back of the stadium if they wanted an easy fix.