Did Bud Collins just say Federer is very weak on the clay in paris?

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I think so. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Federer the second best clay court player in the world? Hasn't he been in the last 3 finals?

They really need to step up their commentating game.
 
Bud Collins is 106 years old and doesnt know what he is saying anymore. He was probably also momentarily disoriented after looking down at his ridiculous shirt or pants.
 
haha its embarassing for the game of tennis to have bud collins as commentator. imagine a guy like him doing baseball, soccer, football?? wouldnt happen. c'mon ESPN wake up. Get rid of this old senile man who talks nonsense and knows nothing about tennis. He said maybe Federer is in his TOP 10 Ever. MORON he's number 1...clearly.
 
Shaolin said:
Bud Collins is 106 years old and doesnt know what he is saying anymore. He was probably also momentarily disoriented after looking down at his ridiculous shirt or pants.
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That guy is a COMPLETE FOOL. No wonder Fed refused to even talk to him not that long ago.

I call Alzeimher here.
 
Bud Collins is still holding that grudge when Federer completely ignored him after the French Open final and he has never liked him ever since. :neutral:
 
I find his ignorance amusing, but i can understand why he was let go from nbc, some people dont know when to just hang it up, i mean i cant blame him i would love to say dumb things and get paid while i watch tennis in australia
 
We regret to report that the brain of Bud Collins passed away tonight in Australia during the first set of the Federer-Berdych tennis match. While Bud's brain has been lying in a restful, dormant state for most of the past twenty years, it finally let go tonight. Collins states that he shall continue to provide brainless tennis commentary until such time as the rest of his body meets that great reward in the sky. Our prayers are with Bud's wardrobe collection and immediate family.
 
myservenow said:
We regret to report that the brain of Bud Collins passed away tonight in Australia during the first set of the Federer-Berdych tennis match. While Bud's brain has been lying in a restful, dormant state for most of the past twenty years, it finally let go tonight. Collins states that he shall continue to provide brainless tennis commentary until such time as the rest of his body meets that great reward in the sky. Our prayers are with Bud's wardrobe collection and immediate family.
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One of my favorite posts ever.
 
myservenow said:
We regret to report that the brain of Bud Collins passed away tonight in Australia during the first set of the Federer-Berdych tennis match. While Bud's brain has been lying in a restful, dormant state for most of the past twenty years, it finally let go tonight. Collins states that he shall continue to provide brainless tennis commentary until such time as the rest of his body meets that great reward in the sky. Our prayers are with Bud's wardrobe collection and immediate family.
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I bow to you. Fantasic post. Hope it will end up Mr. Bud blathering anywhere beyond.
 
Milan said:
haha its embarassing for the game of tennis to have bud collins as commentator. imagine a guy like him doing baseball, soccer, football?? wouldnt happen. c'mon ESPN wake up. Get rid of this old senile man who talks nonsense and knows nothing about tennis. He said maybe Federer is in his TOP 10 Ever. MORON he's number 1...clearly.
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How is he clearly number 1??? He hasn't accomplish the grand slam that Rod Laver was able to accomplish twice. He hasn't break the record of 14 grand slams by Pete Sampras. His domination streak as number 1 is only 4 years which is clearly not the longest. He has ZERO french open title, not to mention his loss to the King of Clay at WIMBLEDON..... Only a biased fan would find Federer at number 1 in the all-time great list.
 
I think the best thing for espn to do is get Flava Flav as Bud Collins new stylist, and run a disclaimer across the screen whenever he has something to say. :)
 
That guy is the biggest idiot! He was also asked yesterday where he would rank Federer in the all time list. Guess what he said?! "I'd say maybe top 10".

Like are you that stupid? Top 10? LOL

And this idiot was talking all this crap about Fish and Dent being possible suprirses here at AO. Slap this guy!
 
helloworld said:
How is he clearly number 1??? He hasn't accomplish the grand slam that Rod Laver was able to accomplish twice. He hasn't break the record of 14 grand slams by Pete Sampras. His domination streak as number 1 is only 4 years which is clearly not the longest. He has ZERO french open title, not to mention his loss to the King of Clay at WIMBLEDON..... Only a biased fan would find Federer at number 1 in the all-time great list.
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Nut-head, who cares if he is number 1 or not all time fact is he is easily top 3 all time. NOT "maybe top 10".
 
R_Federer said:
That guy is the biggest idiot! He was also asked yesterday where he would rank Federer in the all time list. Guess what he said?! "I'd say maybe top 10".

Like are you that stupid? Top 10? LOL

And this idiot was talking all this crap about Fish and Dent being possible suprirses here at AO. Slap this guy!
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Mr. "Braindead" Collins surely remembers well the day that Fed refused to give an interview. This is obviously his 'revenge'. :)
 
tennisguyak said:
I think so. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Federer the second best clay court player in the world? Hasn't he been in the last 3 finals?

They really need to step up their commentating game.
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Bud Collins continually puts his foot in his mouth. He means no harm he just has no clue. Plain and simple.
 
I lol'd when he said that. I find his senility amusing and humorous. I can always count on Bud for a laugh.
 
Justin said:
I lol'd when he said that. I find his senility amusing and humorous. I can always count on Bud for a laugh.
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I think Bud Collins is doing a great job as a commentator for ESPN. He's funny, humorous, entertaining, and knowledgeable. I think Bud Collins is great for the sport of Tennis and as you put it "you can always count on Bud for a laugh"
 
When NBC fired Bud Collins after Federer dissed him at the French Open in 2006 ESPN should have gotten the clue that the man's time on TV is over. ESPN has more than enough talking heads they didn't need to add Collins.
 
I remember hearing that and was like:

"What the heck did he just say?"

Even the other commentators were like... uh you're crazy.

That fired me up, I was going to make a topic about it.
 
I think yes, Bud is getting old, but he still (IMHO) gives the best interviews, IOW, ask good questions. When he interviewed ' King Fed" on the walkway he really had Roger opening up to his mindset, not his spitting out the usual cliches.
 
That remark about clay is true re Rafa, that comment about all time is pretty stupid. Top 3 is fair enough.
 
time to call it quits bud, plain and simple. for you to say Fed is in the top 10, is just too outrageous, even for his standard. I'd love to hear what's Bud's top 10 though. if he says fed is so terrible on clay that he is barely top 10, does that make pete a top 20 of all time?

"Answer the question, jerk!" :twisted:
 
tennisguyak said:
I think so. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Federer the second best clay court player in the world? Hasn't he been in the last 3 finals?

They really need to step up their commentating game.
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No. Djokovic was the 2nd best clay court player last season. Collins is right.

Fed fans are for sure sensitive for some reason these days.

Also it is not that far fetched to say Fed is "top 10" if you count in all those old guys, like Tilden, Budge, Lacoste, Fred Perry, ... that were playing when Bud was young :), while you guys know nothing about.
 
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urban said:
Its a honor, not a disgrace to be the top ten alltime.
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I would agree. Federer is top 10 all time, at least in my eyes. But I geuss to some here if your lips aren't firmly implanted on Roger's ass, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway Roger is not "weak" on clay, that was not the most intelligent assesment, but he's not one of the elite either. And if I'm not mistaken Bud went onto clarify his "weak" statemnt by saying Federer "has yet to win a title in Paris".... which conspicuously is the truth.
 
380pistol said:
I would agree. Federer is definitelly top 10 all time, at least in my eyes. But I geuss to some here if your lips aren't firmly implanted on Roger's ass, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway Roger is not "weak" on clay, that was not the most intelligent assesment, but he's not one of the elite either. And if I'm not mistaken Bud went onto clarify his "weak" statemnt by saying Federer "has yet to win a title in Paris".... which conspicuously is the truth.
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That makes him "weak", because he was unlucky enough to run into probably the best clay courter ever? While Federer ran through everybody else, even clay court specialists, in the meantime?

He'd have to call Pete Sampras "an embarrasing pile of garbage" if that's the case. Because he was horrible on clay!
 
gj011 said:
No. Djokovic was the 2nd best clay court player last season. Collins is right.

Fed fans are for sure sensitive for some reason these days.

Also it is not that far fetched to say Fed is "top 10" if you count in all those old guys, like Tilden, Budge, Lacoste, Fred Perry, ... that were playing when Bud was young :), while you guys know nothing about.
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Nope he isn't,regardless if Fed is top 10 or whatever(I can agree with that part with him)but saying that a guy who reached 3 FO finals(and lost to best claycourters since Borg in each one)is very weak(not even just weak but very weak)is complete nonsense.
 
LanceStern said:
I remember hearing that and was like:

"What the heck did he just say?"

Even the other commentators were like... uh you're crazy.

That fired me up, I was going to make a topic about it.
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Who??? Drysdale, who best of alltime changes like the weather. By 2015 Roger will not be the greatest he's ever seen, but somone else. Probably whoever's 31 then, that's who he'll be jocking. What was that Drysdale said about Rios being the most talented in ever??? Elephant's memorey I see.

Patrick McEnroe, his dumbass puts 2 and 2 together and gets 3. Ask him again how great Roddick is?? I'm sure he'll be quick to enlighten us!!!
 
380pistol said:
I would agree. Federer is top 10 all time, at least in my eyes. But I geuss to some here if your lips aren't firmly implanted on Roger's ass, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway Roger is not "weak" on clay, that was not the most intelligent assesment, but he's not one of the elite either. And if I'm not mistaken Bud went onto clarify his "weak" statemnt by saying Federer "has yet to win a title in Paris".... which conspicuously is the truth.
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There's a whole world of difference between kissing Fed's ass and saying that he's very weak on any surface,period.I don't have a problem with him saying Fed is in top 10 in history of tennis although I don't think Fed is probably there,I think he definitely is.
 
zagor said:
Nope he isn't,regardless if Fed is top 10 or whatever(I can agree with that part with him)but saying that a guy who reached 3 FO finals(and lost to best claycourters since Borg in each one)is very weak(not even just weak but very weak)is complete nonsense.
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But who has he beaten on clay?? He's not weak, but let's keep it perspective here.
 
380pistol said:
But who has he beaten on clay?? He's not weak, but let's keep it perspective here.
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That's all there is to it,I don't feel that clay competition is that much to speak of in this era(although it does have a gem called Nadal in it)but reaching 3 FO finals is not weak no matter the competition IMO.
 
gj011 said:
No. Djokovic was the 2nd best clay court player last season. Collins is right.

Fed fans are for sure sensitive for some reason these days.

Also it is not that far fetched to say Fed is "top 10" if you count in all those old guys, like Tilden, Budge, Lacoste, Fred Perry, ... that were playing when Bud was young :), while you guys know nothing about.
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I'm sorry who reached the finals of the French Open last year?.....oh wait it was Federer and NOT Djokovic

Now don't give me tht ATP series performance bull.....I dnt think Fed even cares tht much abt ATP Masters anymore
 
zagor said:
Nope he isn't,regardless if Fed is top 10 or whatever(I can agree with that part with him)but saying that a guy who reached 3 FO finals(and lost to best claycourters since Borg in each one)is very weak(not even just weak but very weak)is complete nonsense.
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Exactly. Not even to mention all the other finals (and in case Nadal wasn't there, titles) that 'very weak' fellow got on clay. If it weren't for one guy, Rafa - as you say, perhaps the best clay courter ever), he'd be regarded as a magician on the surface.
 
zagor said:
There's a whole world of difference between kissing Fed's ass and saying that he's very weak on any surface,period.I don't have a problem with him saying Fed is in top 10 in history of tennis although I don't think Fed is probably there,I think he definitely is.
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OK at what oint did I agree with Federer being "weak" on clay. As I didn't. What I said was "he isn't weak, but he isn't one of the elite". And I did clarify what many (incl. yourself) did not, that Collins went onto say that his reasoning was "Federer had not won in Paris". Last I checked Federer hadsn't won the Paris Masters much less the French Open.

Yes I have Federer in my top 10, and he had Roger in his top 10 if I'm not mistaken. They asked him if Roger was the greatest ever, and Bud said no, and had him in the top 10, and PMac with lips all over Roger barked (moreso squealed like a 12 year old girl) "just top 10" or something to that extent, if I'm not mistaken.

zagor said:
That's all there is to it,I don't feel that clay competition is that much to speak of in this era(although it does have a gem called Nadal in it)but reaching 3 FO finals is not weak no matter the competition IMO.
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Not really. Nadal is beast o clay. Maybe the greatest claycourter ever (borg has an arguement), but how well would others fair?? They may not beat Nadal (probably won't), but if they get a couple of French Open finals, what would that say about them??
 
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vtmike said:
I'm sorry who reached the finals of the French Open last year?.....oh wait it was Federer and NOT Djokovic

Now don't give me tht ATP series performance bull.....I dnt think Fed even cares tht much abt ATP Masters anymore
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Djokovic and Fed's levels were very close on clay last year.Even though Fed won their sole encounter on clay,Djokovic won Rome and gave tougher battle to Nadal in FO.Djokovic didn't reach the final because he played Nadal in semis,we don't know how match between him and Fed at the FO would have went.It doesn't matter that much who is second or third on clay anyway since the gap is so big between Nadal and everyone else.
 
vtmike said:
I'm sorry who reached the finals of the French Open last year?.....oh wait it was Federer and NOT Djokovic

Now don't give me tht ATP series performance bull.....I dnt think Fed even cares tht much abt ATP Masters anymore
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Zagor already replied. My point was that OP should not make blank statements that Fed is second best clay court player while that is not clear nor obvious.
 
380pistol said:
OK at what oint did I agree with Federer being "weak" on clay. As I didn't. What I said was "he isn't weak, but he isn't one of the elite". And I did clarify what many (incl. yourself) did not, that Collins went onto say that his reasoning was "Federer had not won in Paris". Last I checked Federer hadsn't won the Paris Masters much less the French Open.
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Yes but not winning FO doesn't equal being very weak on clay,very weak is constantly dumping out in early rounds(kind of like Roddick)so I disagree with Collins on that one.Federer is pretty consistant on clay,he just can't beat Nadal.

380pistol said:
Not really. Nadal is beast o clay. Maybe the greatest claycourter ever (borg has an arguement), but how well would others fair?? They may not beat Nadal (probably won't), but if they get a couple of French Open finals, what would that say about them??
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Everyone who can get to a couple of FO finals is very good on clay,not great until he wins a title but at the very least very good.
 
zagor said:
Djokovic and Fed's levels were very close on clay last year.Even though Fed won their sole encounter on clay,Djokovic won Rome and gave tougher battle to Nadal in FO.Djokovic didn't reach the final because he played Nadal in semis,we don't know how match between him and Fed at the FO would have went.It doesn't matter that much who is second or third on clay anyway since the gap is so big between Nadal and everyone else.
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You are right the gap is getting bigger.....

But please don't make excuses for Djokovic.....If Fed won their only encounter on clay, then what makes you think he could not have done the same thing again in the FO?
Everyone was saying the same thing abt Djokovic during the USO.....but Fed beat him even though he won Masters events before their matchup.....
 
vtmike said:
You are right the gap is getting bigger.....

But please don't make excuses for Djokovic.....If Fed won their only encounter on clay, then what makes you think he could not have done the same thing again in the FO?
Everyone was saying the same thing abt Djokovic during the USO.....but Fed beat him even though he won Masters events before their matchup.....
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I'm not making any excuses for Djokovic,I'm just saying you could make a case for both Fed and Djokovic being the 2nd best claycourter last year but that it doesn't matter anyway since neither of them could touch Nadal at the FO last year(netiher of them even took a set although as I said Djokovic gave Nadal a tougher match at FO).On clay,it's Nadal and then everybody else,that's the way things are at the moment.
 
380pistol said:
But who has he beaten on clay?? He's not weak, but let's keep it perspective here.
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Yet, Nadal is the greatest claycourter in the history of this game, with less titles than Bjorn Borg, huh? Anyways, Fed's beaten pretty much anyone on clay that's been active in the last few years, anyone that matters.. He beat Nalbandian among others, Djokovic is good clayplayer too.. Is all you wanna here that Sampras had more claycompetition? That he had munster, Kuerten, and everybody else? Fine, have it your way.. Federer is far from weak on the surface and much better than Pete Sampras.
 
gj011 said:
Zagor already replied. My point was that OP should not make blank statements that Fed is second best clay court player while that is not clear nor obvious.
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Agree, it wasn't obvious last year.. still stands the two years before that he was the second best, so he is of course far from weak. You still said Bud COllins was right (which is a stupid comment, regardless of the context in which Collins said ANYTHING, because he's NEVER right) and you shouldn't say things if you don't want to defend them and just say it to provoke '*******s'
 
I was watching ESPN live the other day and this guy Collins was sitting with another comntatr and was asked who his favorite is for the AU, he said I "Pick Murray". He must be very disappointed now and try to take a jab at Federer.
 
joeri888 said:
Agree, it wasn't obvious last year.. still stands the two years before that he was the second best, so he is of course far from weak. You still said Bud COllins was right (which is a stupid comment, regardless of the context in which Collins said ANYTHING, because he's NEVER right) and you shouldn't say things if you don't want to defend them and just say it to provoke '*******s'
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Ok, ok I stand corrected. Bud was not right to call Federer weak on clay since it is obviously not true, but also OP was wrong to assume with no doubt that Federer is the 2nd best clay court player.
 
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