Did I buy a real St. Vincent?

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Gabs011

Guest
First off, I apologize for another one of these 'is this real' threads. I recently bought a Pro Staff St Vincent from 'the famous auction site'. The seller (from China) put the racket on there with no reserve price, and a shipping cost of 75 USD. The item listing was for one day only so nobody else bid except for me. The winning price was basically nothing. So my total cost is $75.

Is this too good to be true? Surely he could have sold the racket which is in great condition for much more.

Please advise me on what I should do....

The item number is 6833854848

Thanks for all replies
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
probably not for real, but ...

New St. Vincent from China? hm, ...

do some searches on

"St. Vincent," read, see the characteristics and decide for yourself

for the time being, hope it's a good 6.0 85 from the real production line, even that would be fine ...
 

Richie Rich

Legend
i wouldn't wire transfer to anyone in China, especially a guy with no feedback.

do you really think a real St Vincent would sell for $1 even if it was only a 1 day auction? go ahead and send this guy $80 US and see what happens - you may get the racquet or maybe it will be an expensive lesson for you if this guy shafts you.
 

nViATi

Hall of Fame
1) He has no feedback
2) You have no protection with wire transfers or western union money transfers
3) You better start praying
 
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Gabs011

Guest
I have not payed yet so its alright. But he claims that he is new so he is selling at low prices quickly to build up his rating...
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Gabs011 said:
I have not payed yet so its alright. But he claims that he is new so he is selling at low prices quickly to build up his rating...
yeah, yeah.

and he finds St. Vincents in China everywhere:))
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
IF this is a genuine St. Vincent (which i have no reason NOT to believe it is) then you probably got the very very early version, as it appears it does not have a bumper guard. I find these less desirable than the bumpered versions. Also: I can't really tell by the pictures (none are very close up) but the primer looks to be gray, a sign indicating it is NOT a st. vincent. As i'm not super familiar with the oldest version of St. Vincents, i can't comment, but the labels looking pasted on in the throat area would tip me off to think it is a St. Vincent, although i've never seen one with a broad range of specs like that one.
 

nViATi

Hall of Fame
diredesire said:
although i've never seen one with a broad range of specs like that one.
My St. Vincent's sticker is just like that (the one with weight/oz and balance).
However, I wouldn't trust the seller for reasons stated above.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
nViATi said:
My St. Vincent's sticker is just like that (the one with weight/oz and balance).
However, I wouldn't trust the seller for reasons stated above.
Thanks for that verification.

I think although it is fishy, it doesn't make him a bad person. If you don't trust him, don't buy it. End of story. If you want to take a chance, go for it. I personally don't put too much of a premium on the St. Vincent name, but if i could get a good deal on one i'd definitely try and buy one.
 

La Bomba

Professional
Damn, that seller has actually used someone elses photos, as i saw another st.vincent advertised (i think it was a chicago just being advertised as vincent)about a week ago with excatly the same pics, so obviously the seller has copy and pasted another persons pictures and is making out its his pics, when its not. So its very suspicous.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Gabs011 said:
I have not payed yet so its alright. But he claims that he is new so he is selling at low prices quickly to build up his rating...
they might have just opened a production line to manufacture copycat St. Vincents in China and you are the lucky man:-[

asking $75 for S&H and $1 for the racquet is a good plan to start collecting money.
 
Gabs011 said:
First off, I apologize for another one of these 'is this real' threads. I recently bought a Pro Staff St Vincent from 'the famous auction site'. The seller (from China) put the racket on there with no reserve price, and a shipping cost of 75 USD. The item listing was for one day only so nobody else bid except for me. The winning price was basically nothing. So my total cost is $75.

Is this too good to be true? Surely he could have sold the racket which is in great condition for much more.

Please advise me on what I should do....

The item number is 6833854848

Thanks for all replies
That's crazy to trust that a frame purchased from E-bay is genuine. I would feel iffy to even use such a racquet, even if it seems to play well. It's just the uncertainty that wou;d personally drive me crazy. For a wall ornament, I guess it would be ok to have.
 

nViATi

Hall of Fame
MackSamuelHustovisics said:
Speakin of China, I often hear people praising the Asian Ncode. So what's special and different about the Asian version? I haven't tried them.
It's lighter and more maneuverable.
 

arnz

Professional
It might not be real or they may not have the racquet, and yes backing out maybe your only option because youre not sure. But let this be a lesson to you.

That auction site specifically states not to bid if you are not sure. It even confirms with you before you bid. It tells you all the pitfalls, including to check the persons feedback. And once you bid, youre in a binding contract.

Of course there aren't really going to be any big problems except you are gonna get a negative feedback. Next time you do bid on an item, and if I'm the seller, I would cancel your bid right away

So learn your lesson
 

thenewb

New User
instinct tells me this auction is iffy. a st. vincent in mint condition from someone using old pictures and a no feedback...

no/low feedback isn't necessarily a deal killer, as i bought a slazenger off a guy who had a rating of 4. :p i'm just saying... this is a well known discontinued racquet that scammers know they can make money off of... not a no namer. you have to pick your fights on ****.

and yes... you've placed a bid..thats a legal contract..... you committed yourself to paying...... you really should have thought about it before you placed a bid.

so in the end.. its you're choice. it is a legal binding contract. and it might be a real prostaff (though, if it is, i think it's probably a china prostaff) or you might lose 75 bucks. either way, it's a nice lesson for contractual obligations...

oh. and don't forget to read the fine print.... 5 dollars required insurance. thats 80 usd + .12 cents for bid
 
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Gabs011

Guest
alright cheers for the replies guys. What has really pissed me off is that he has used the pics from a previous auction (thanks LaBomba for pointing that out). I had a feeling this could be the case.....negative feedback here we go.
 

jonolau

Legend
MackSamuelHustovisics said:
That's crazy to trust that a frame purchased from E-bay is genuine. I would feel iffy to even use such a racquet, even if it seems to play well. It's just the uncertainty that wou;d personally drive me crazy. For a wall ornament, I guess it would be ok to have.
Well, not all sellers on E-Bay are bad. I bought my Head FXP Tour from a seller called RacketGuy based in Canada, and the genuine racquet promptly arrived Singapore within a week. I checked out his ratings first (more than 1,000 and all were sales).

However, I definitely view anything from China with two beady eyes, even though I'm Chinese myself!
 

La Bomba

Professional
La Bomba said:
Damn, that seller has actually used someone elses photos, as i saw another st.vincent advertised (i think it was a chicago just being advertised as vincent)about a week ago with excatly the same pics, so obviously the seller has copy and pasted another persons pictures and is making out its his pics, when its not. So its very suspicous.
Marius i already said he copied the pics :)
 

joe sch

Legend
Common e_bay overseas frauder :

1) copy another auctions picture
2) create auction for a _steal_
3) ask for untraceable payment (wire transfer, sometimes paypal)
4) collect weekly auction bids
5) remove account
6) create another account for next weeks suckers ... goto step 1)

Dont send money, you will never see the item !
Dont waist any more effort on this auction, this seller will dissapear soon !
 

Thaychua

Rookie
Hi All,
DO NOT SEND THE MONEY PERIOD!!!!!
That, is a real SV but the China seller copied my auction...so im 100% sure he doesn't have the SV..
The original auction with #7205795258 is my auction.. And i currently have the racket in my hands waiting to shipped to the winner of my auction...
Also, i am in no way associated with this seller in China..please dont assume..

Sorry i didn't spot the fake sv auction early or else i would report it to ebey...
 

La Bomba

Professional
I saw your auction, you got a fair bit of money for it. 280 bucks is pretty good. Thats 384 dollars in aussie money.
 

La Bomba

Professional
Yeah it works out to be pretty expensive, our dollar is 72 cents in the US. And 350 pounds is 831 aussie dollars, and our dollar in Great Britain is worth 42 cents.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Thaychua said:
Hi All,
DO NOT SEND THE MONEY PERIOD!!!!!
That, is a real SV but the China seller copied my auction...so im 100% sure he doesn't have the SV..
Isn't it possible to place a negative feedback on him?
I am not an auction site members, but some of you are.
need to ACT.
 

Thaychua

Rookie
Marius_Hancu said:
Isn't it possible to place a negative feedback on him?
I am not an auction site members, but some of you are.
need to ACT.
No, it's not possible for me to place a neg fedback on him because im not the winning buyer.. feedbacks can only be exchange through the seller and winning buyer...
All that i can do is report to ebey that he copied my pics and some of my descriptions and they will delete his auction and post a warning...
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Thaychua said:
No, it's not possible for me to place a neg fedback on him because im not the winning buyer.. feedbacks can only be exchange through the seller and winning buyer...

All that i can do is report to ebey that he copied my pics and some of my descriptions and they will delete his auction and post a warning...
That would be quite good.
Pls do that for the benefit of others.
 

arnz

Professional
Is it illegal to copy pics? Sometimes when I sell an item I don't have the time to take a pic, so I get a standard pic from a manufacturer website or something off the net to represent the item. I have to stop doing that if its illegal, but of course I'm not trying to rip anybody off like that guy seems to be
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
arnz said:
Is it illegal to copy pics? Sometimes when I sell an item I don't have the time to take a pic, so I get a standard pic from a manufacturer website or something off the net to represent the item. I have to stop doing that if its illegal, but of course I'm not trying to rip anybody off like that guy seems to be
I think you should place your own pics if you want to correctly describe the object sold.
 

nViATi

Hall of Fame
arnz said:
Is it illegal to copy pics? Sometimes when I sell an item I don't have the time to take a pic, so I get a standard pic from a manufacturer website or something off the net to represent the item. I have to stop doing that if its illegal, but of course I'm not trying to rip anybody off like that guy seems to be
It's only bad if you pretend that that is a picture of the one you are actually selling.
 

arnz

Professional
nViATi said:
It's only bad if you pretend that that is a picture of the one you are actually selling.
Youre right, I tell them in my ad that I put a stock picture that looks exactly like the item I have.

The seller from china seems to be pretending that those are pictures of his St. Vincent however, a deceitful practice
 
I wouldn't trust anyone one that auction site with no feedback, much less one from china, and I'm asian myself. A new st. vincent is rare as anything.... and coming from overseas, that's just too good...
 
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