Did I Say That?

[TheTruth]

I was surfing the net, reading articles and this article had me cracking up. Sometimes, we put our proverbial feet in our mouths and look crazy after it's all said and done.

I'm excerpting, because the article is too long. Feel free to post crazy predictions, from pros and pundits that you find amusing.

Goran on Nadal's chances to win Wimbledon, 2006:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/jun/18/tennis.wimbledon2006

"So for me, the number-one favourite this year is Roger Federer, and the number two, which will surprise some people, is Mario Ancic."

"Ivanisevic continues with his list of possible winners: 'Then you have David Nalbandian, Andy Roddick and Sebastien Grosjean - and I would put Tim in there also."

"How about Rafael Nadal, the world's best player on clay? 'No.'
Never?
'Maybe, but while Federer is alive, no. And I think Ancic is a much better player than him on a fast court.'

Goran on Andy Murray

Goran Ivanisevic believes Andy Murray is a more talented player than the world number two, Rafael Nadal, and says he could help the coachless young Scot prepare for this year's Wimbledon.

Ivanisevic has seen Murray play many times. He is impressed. 'I like the way he plays, I like his mentality.'

The idea that Nadal, 20, who retained the French Open title last Sunday, has set an example to other emerging players about the amount of training they should put in - the Spaniard is renowned for working extremely hard away from competition - is not one to which Ivanisevic subscribes.

He says: 'Nadal is Nadal; Murray has a different game. Murray's more talented, he has a better serve, he's different. Maybe someone needs one hour to do something that Nadal needs five hours to do. Not everyone practises the same. They have completely different games.

 

[vortex1]

What a clown. I bet he's feeling stupid now.

 

[Nadalfan89]

What does Goran know? He won 1 grandslam in his entire career.

 

[lonux]

What does Goran know? He won 1 grandslam in his entire career.

What do you know? You won no grand slam in your entire career.

If that's his opinion, fine. He got it a bit wrong, though.

 

[Nadalfan89]

What do you know? You won no grand slam in your entire career.

If that's his opinion, fine. He got it a bit wrong, though.

Ancic and Murray being much better players than Nadal?

Yes. Yes he did get it wrong.

 

[vortex1]

"I like Murray's mentality" - of course you do, Goran. Both of you are mental midgets.

 

[decades]

I wonder what stupid things you said in 2006 that never made it to print?

 

[lonux]

Talent is something you cannot underestimate, it's just that talent isn't always everything. Someone with talent can turn out to be a pretty bad player, someone with no talent can turn out to be better.

Nadal is just very fast, and since courts have been made much slower, he gets even more advantage.

Goran was wrong, but you can't blame him for saying that. And especially not because he only has one slam - then we all would tell nonsense here.

 

[Rippy]

What does Goran know? He won 1 grandslam in his entire career.

And you've won zero. I guess you must really know nothing then. :???:

It was his opinion, and he was wrong. Everyone gets things wrong.

 

[tennis_guru]

It was 2006 for godsakes, give him a break. Plus he did get it right that in 2006, while Federer was there, no way Nadal was going to win it. In 2006, no version of peak prime Nadal could touch Federer, except on clay.

 

[darthpwner]

Calm down guys, Nadal in 2006 had no grass court results. Goran made a wise statement AT THE TIME. Now, Nadal has surpassed Goran with 2 wimbledon titles.

 

[darthpwner]

And you've won zero. I guess you must really know nothing then. :???:

It was his opinion, and he was wrong. Everyone gets things wrong.

If this was the case, then only Federer's opinion matters.

 

[muzza123]

So goran's not the Oracle.

Big deal.

We all know there's only one Oracle, and she lives in the Matrix!

Next!

 

[Dutch-Guy]

Don't get riled up people.The [bleeping] article is 4 years old.

 

[LiamGallagher]

Staggering amount of disrespect for former pros by some Nadal fans.

 

[LiamGallagher]

What is the big deal to be honest? This article is from so long ago. I read articles about 8-9 yrs ago that claimed that Federer shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath as Sampras and will get nowhere close to his record. It is hard to tell.

 

[Blake_for_GOAT]

I was surfing the net, reading articles and this article had me cracking up. Sometimes, we put our proverbial feet in our mouths and look crazy after it's all said and done.

I'm excerpting, because the article is too long. Feel free to post crazy predictions, from pros and pundits that you find amusing.

Goran on Nadal's chances to win Wimbledon, 2006:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/jun/18/tennis.wimbledon2006

"So for me, the number-one favourite this year is Roger Federer, and the number two, which will surprise some people, is Mario Ancic."

"Ivanisevic continues with his list of possible winners: 'Then you have David Nalbandian, Andy Roddick and Sebastien Grosjean - and I would put Tim in there also."

"How about Rafael Nadal, the world's best player on clay? 'No.'
Never?
'Maybe, but while Federer is alive, no. And I think Ancic is a much better player than him on a fast court.'

Goran on Andy Murray

Goran Ivanisevic believes Andy Murray is a more talented player than the world number two, Rafael Nadal, and says he could help the coachless young Scot prepare for this year's Wimbledon.

Ivanisevic has seen Murray play many times. He is impressed. 'I like the way he plays, I like his mentality.'

The idea that Nadal, 20, who retained the French Open title last Sunday, has set an example to other emerging players about the amount of training they should put in - the Spaniard is renowned for working extremely hard away from competition - is not one to which Ivanisevic subscribes.

He says: 'Nadal is Nadal; Murray has a different game. Murray's more talented, he has a better serve, he's different. Maybe someone needs one hour to do something that Nadal needs five hours to do. Not everyone practises the same. They have completely different games.

y are you reading articles that are old ?


goran was obviously smokin' some high grade obviously.ancic was never 2 favourite.maybe in his world but not in anyone elses.

 

[TMF]

If Goran is stupid, guess all players are stupid too since they make wrong prediction at one time or another.

 

[srinrajesh]

maybe he was saying ancic becos he is from the same country and at that time Ancic was pretty good S & V player
Unfortunate that he was injured...

Cant read too much into goran comments ... every one gets something wrong at some time ..

 

[aphex]

the second opinion is correct.

Murray is more talented than Nadal.

 

[samboy01]

What is "that"? Shouldn't the thread be titled "Did I Say This"?

 

[Cesc Fabregas]

the second opinion is correct.

Murray is more talented than Nadal.

I'd love to know how you worked that out?

 

[aphex]

I'd love to know how you worked that out?

with my eyes.

Nadal is superior to Murray in many departments, but innate talent is not one of them.

 

[Nadalfan89]

the second opinion is correct.

Murray is more talented than Nadal.

You're right. Murray and Nadal both have comparable careers.

Oh wait, Murray doesn't have a single grand slam, no olympic medals, hardly any masters wins and has only made two finals.

He sucks.

 

[muzza123]

You're right. Murray and Nadal both have comparable careers.

Oh wait, Murray doesn't have a single Major, no olympic medals, hardly any masters wins and has only made two finals.

He sucks.

Fixed for you

 

[Deleted member 21996]

You're right. Murray and Nadal both have comparable careers.

Oh wait, Murray doesn't have a single grand slam, no olympic medals, hardly any masters wins and has only made two finals.

He sucks.

good points made there

 

[Omega_7000]

The claim that a player who has no majors is better than a player who has 8 of them is just so illogical, that it doesn't deserve a respectful response.

You want civil discourse from me? You first.

Murray will win the calendar slam next year and you will have to eat your words.

 

[Nadalfan89]

Murray will win the calendar slam next year and you will have to eat your words.

Oh he definitely will! Especially the FO which he's so good at!

 

[lonux]

The claim that a player who has no majors is better than a player who has 8 of them is just so illogical, that it doesn't deserve a respectful response.

You want civil discourse from me? You first.

Did I say I agree with the one saying Murray has more talent? I actually do, but that's not the point.

You keep saying some tennis players suck because they didn't achieve what Nadal did.

See my point?

 

[Nadalfan89]

Did I say I agree with the one saying Murray has more talent? I actually do, but that's not the point.

You keep saying some tennis players suck because they didn't achieve what Nadal did.

See my point?

Not at all. It's not about slight differences in achievments. Even if Nadal gets more majors than Borg, I wouldn't say that he's a better player than Borg.

The massive glaring differences between Murray and Nadal's achievements is so great that I don't think the two should be in the same sentence at all. The guy should win AT LEAST ONE MEASLY MAJOR before being considered more "talented" than anyone.

 

[lonux]

Not at all. It's not about slight differences in achievments. Even if Nadal gets more majors than Borg, I wouldn't say that he's a better player than Borg.

The massive glaring differences between Murray and Nadal's achievements is so great that I don't think the two should be in the same sentence at all. The guy should win AT LEAST ONE MEASLY MAJOR before being considered more "talented" than anyone.

You don't understand the word "talent". So be it, I'm not going to discuss about that - it's a bit personal anyway.

 

[TheTruth]

y are you reading articles that are old ?


goran was obviously smokin' some high grade obviously.ancic was never 2 favourite.maybe in his world but not in anyone elses.

It's tongue in cheek. The things we say and may end up regretting it being put in print if we were famous.

I thought it was funny finding old predictions.

 

[TheTruth]

What is "that"? Shouldn't the thread be titled "Did I Say This"?

True, I was a little tired and my mind wasn't that clear. I did keep saying that to myself, and obviously opted for the wrong one.

I bow to your superior intellect, but don't know if I can change it.

 

[TheTruth]

The thread was created as something to have fun with, but some of the language in here is getting out of control.

I thought we could find funny things celebrities say and "bump" them like we do on TT, that's all.

 

[TheTruth]

Dire,

Same poster, getting filthy in a thread. This poster is constantly provoking un uninitiated attacks and using crude language.

It's simply getting old.

 

[Nadalfan89]

Dire,

Same poster, getting filthy in a thread. This poster is constantly provoking un uninitiated attacks and using crude language.

It's simply getting old.

I agree. This place needs a clean up. It's a pity that we can't have a discussion like mature adults.

 

[TheTruth]

I agree. This place needs a clean up. It's a pity that we can't have a discussion like mature adults.

I'm reporting them from now on. People coming out of nowhere attacking for others for no reason. You can't have an opinion.

No more.

 

[Kevin T]

Goran was just saying what everyone else was thinking at the time. We've been waiting on Murray to break through forever. Ancic has a game made for grass but never realized his potential. No one thought Nadal or any of the Spaniards could translate their games to grass at that point in time. No more hating on Goran...he's the man!

Just saw an older Tennis Channel special on Agassi last night. Nick Bollettieri was talking about the Wimby final when Andre upset Goran and made the comment that Goran got kicked out of the academy for "having 3 girls in his room at the same time". Apparently this happened quite often. God, I miss Goran.

 

[TheTruth]

Goran was just saying what everyone else was thinking at the time. We've been waiting on Murray to break through forever. Ancic has a game made for grass but never realized his potential. No one thought Nadal or any of the Spaniards could translate their games to grass at that point in time. No more hating on Goran...he's the man!

Just saw an older Tennis Channel special on Agassi last night. Nick Bollettieri was talking about the Wimby final when Andre upset Goran and made the comment that Goran got kicked out of the academy for "having 3 girls in his room at the same time". Apparently this happened quite often. God, I miss Goran.

No hate, Goran is hilarious. He didn't hold back did he? Just put it out there and didn't care what people thought. It was a real struggle when he and Rafter played that Wimbledon final. I didn't know who I wanted to win, but I guess Goran, since Patrick had two. What a character, and what a funny story. I suppose it's true, though.

 

[veroniquem]

You don't understand the word "talent". So be it, I'm not going to discuss about that - it's a bit personal anyway.

Rafa has answered himself about the notion of talent: talent is not just a devastating forehand or well executed volley, it's coordination, movement, strategic skills, mental resilience, all of this is talent. The ability to be aggressive and accurate on BP is talent. The ability to anticipate what the opponent is gonna do is talent and no Murray (a very talented player) in not more talented than Nadal in any shape or form.
That being said, I think Goran was mainly referring to the serve (the one part of his own game that stood out!) He probably meant Murray has more facility on the serve than Rafa. As we can all observe though, that is not enough to make Murray a better player than Rafa.

 

[aphex]

Dire,

Same poster, getting filthy in a thread. This poster is constantly provoking un uninitiated attacks and using crude language.

It's simply getting old.

I'm reporting you for offensive language.

You should get banned really...

 

[veroniquem]

Fed fans should really calm down and stop jumping at Nadal's fans' throats for no good reason. It's noone 's fault that Nadal has come back strong. Maybe Fed will as well. In the meantime, they should put a damper on their fury.

 

[Rippy]

Fed fans should really calm down and stop jumping at Nadal's fans' throats for no good reason. It's noone 's fault that Nadal has come back strong. Maybe Fed will as well. In the meantime, they should put a damper on their fury.

You must have missed the Nadal fans insulting Goran on page 1 of the thread.

Surprisingly, Nadal fans insult people too! It's OK, the world is not united in some conspiracy against the Nadal fans, despite what you might think.

 

[LiamGallagher]

You must have missed the Nadal fans insulting Goran on page 1 of the thread.

Surprisingly, Nadal fans insult people too! It's OK, the world is not united in some conspiracy against the Nadal fans, despite what you might think.

Agreed. A few Nadal fans I have encountered on this forum are ridiclous. Any player being compared to Nadal gets put down. In another thread, many Nadal fans went as far to say that Wilander isnt in Nadals league as a tennis player.

 

[aphex]

Agreed. A few Nadal fans I have encountered on this forum are ridiclous. Any player being compared to Nadal gets put down. In another thread, many Nadal fans went as far to say that Wilander isnt in Nadals league as a tennis player.

what do you expect?

******* demographic:

49.5% : 12 year-old antisocial kiddies
49.5% : sex-crazed middle-aged ladies

1% : normal people

 

[tennis_guru]

what do you expect?

******* demographic:

49.5% : 12 year-old antisocial kiddies
49.5% : sex-crazed middle-aged ladies

1% : normal people

I guess being sex-crazed implies they are unattractive, no?

 

[Tennis_Monk]

the second opinion is correct.

Murray is more talented than Nadal.

And most TW forum posters are more talented than Murray.

 

[The-Champ]

Ancic played Rafa at wimbledon, when Nads was 17 I think.

 

[Mustard]

Ancic played Rafa at wimbledon, when Nads was 17 I think.

He did. It was Nadal's first Wimbledon in 2003 in the first round. Nadal was making his return to action after he had fractured his elbow a few days before the French Open started in a freak accident where Nadal fell over the net while mucking about with his mates.

At the time of the Nadal vs. Ancic match at 2003 Wimbledon, Nadal was ranked at 76 in the world while Ancic was at 68. Nadal won the match 6-3, 6-4, 4-6, 6-4.