Did Nadal Dominate at the USO in the '10s?

[Bertie B]

In the 90s it was said Pete Sampras dominated both Wimbledon AND the USO.

From 1990 - 1999 Sampras played the USO nine times, winning four titles in four finals. He was the winningest player at that tournament in that decade. For this he was said to dominate.

From 2010 - 2019 Rafa Nadal player the USO eight times, winning four titles, in five finals. This makes him the winningest player at that tournament during that decade. Can we deduce, a la Sampras, that Rafa Nadal dominated both Roland Garros and Flushing Meadows in the decade spanning 2010 to 2019?

 

[Fedalfan]

Haha! Yes, you could say that. I find it so interesting - USO was Rafa's least comfy surface in the early years of his career. He used to be so spent by the time he arrived in New York and that was the time when Roger had 3 "home" grounds - Wimbledon, USO and AO. Somehow I never thought that USO is where Rafa would get closer to Roger's wins.

But yes, Rafa has dominated two surfaces in the last decade - FO & USO!

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

Nadal's a f%$&## cheater!!!!

bwaaaa!

 

[Bertie B]

I find it so interesting - USO was Rafa's least comfy surface in the early years of his career. He used to be so spent by the time he arrived in New York

Looking back I think he's always had challenges at the AO. Before 12, 14, & 17, remember those heartbreakers in 04 & 05? Whatever is in the air down there is absent in NY which allowed him to dominate this past decade.

 

[malbaker86]

Haha! Yes, you could say that. I find it so interesting - USO was Rafa's least comfy surface in the early years of his career. He used to be so spent by the time he arrived in New York and that was the time when Roger had 3 "home" grounds - Wimbledon, USO and AO. Somehow I never thought that USO is where Rafa would get closer to Roger's wins.

But yes, Rafa has dominated two surfaces in the last decade - FO & USO!

Nadal winning 4 USO titles in a decade and Novak winning 5 Wimbledon titles this decade was NOT something I envisioned 10 years ago lol

 

[Fedalfan]

Also, the talk about his dominance on clay and weakness on other surfaces always gets thrown around, and it's not even a debate. 12 vs 7 is definitely a very skewed ratio. But basically, he just has a superior conversion rate on clay compared to other surfaces when it comes to the win/final ratio.
Clay - 12/12
Hard - 5/10
Grass - 2/5

But his finals appearances are 12:15 in clay : other surfaces.

 

[Bertie B]

12 claycourt finals vs 10 hardcourt finals. Looks pretty even.

 

[SonicNirvana]

Nah he’s just a cheater obviously. Didn’t earn a single win!!!

 

[trenzterra]

Makes it funnier when you realise the US open has become more elusive for fed than the French open in the past ten years. The last time he won USO he hadn't even won the French.

 

[Halba]

cos..the us open is blue clay > 2010.. court speed slowed, balls bigger and bounce higher.
AO's the 2nd fastest slam, with Wimbledon the fastest.

 

[weakera]

He has won 4 of the last 8 times he has participated.

 

[Incognito]

Nadal's a f%$&## cheater!!!!

bwaaaa!

Unlike my favorite male tennis idol

 

[DSH]

Bertie, can Nadal match Graf's 22 Majors?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

4 titles to 3, nope.

 

[TripleATeam]

Well, this is the 90s:
Sampras: 4
Edberg, Agassi, Rafter: 2

This is the 10s:
Nadal: 4
Djokovic: 3
Murray, Cilic, Wawrinka: 1

I wouldn't call either domination, but it's quite clear that Nadal didn't dominate Djokovic at the US Open this decade. Djokodal dominated the rest of the tour, sure, but I wouldn't say Nadal dominated everyone else.

Especially when you consider the fact that Nadal won 4 times, reached 1 extra final and 1 semi. Djokovic, on the other hand, won 3 times, reached 4 extra finals, and 1 semi, which shows a higher degree of consistency than the guy that's supposed to have dominated him.

 

[icedevil0289]

Nadal's a f%$&## cheater!!!!

bwaaaa!

rafa fans are seriously the most insufferable. people say fed fans whine, but literally y'all can't handle a simple mentioning of facts

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

rafa fans are seriously the most insufferable. people say fed fans whine, but literally y'all can't handle a simple mentioning of facts

I ain't "y'all" as I like 'em all (Fed, Rafa & Gumby) ....... and from this peanut gallery observer, as obnoxious as each fanboy clique can be, I gotta give the edge to the fedttards in the insufferable dept. fwiw

 

[victorcruz]

rafa fans are seriously the most insufferable. people say fed fans whine, but literally y'all can't handle a simple mentioning of facts

 

[moonballs]

Does the 2017 win count the same as others?

Also in both 2010 and 2011 Nadal enjoyed the good fortune of facing the survivor of two grueling SF between his two main rivals Fed and Djokovic (don’t even ask why random draws almost always resulted in Fed Djoker SF in those days). Not able to win both times says a lot about his prime level is still below the best we have seen at the Open.

 

[aldeayeah]

2011 cheat mode Djesus doesn't count

 

[NaomiKonjuhPotapova]

Due to the fact Novak win 3 so I wouldn't say dominate.

 

[Zebrev]

Its not exactly difficult to dominate when you never have to play Federer Djokovic or Zverev even once.

 

[weakera]

Well, this is the 90s:
Sampras: 4
Edberg, Agassi, Rafter: 2

This is the 10s:
Nadal: 4
Djokovic: 3
Murray, Cilic, Wawrinka: 1

I wouldn't call either domination, but it's quite clear that Nadal didn't dominate Djokovic at the US Open this decade. Djokodal dominated the rest of the tour, sure, but I wouldn't say Nadal dominated everyone else.

Especially when you consider the fact that Nadal won 4 times, reached 1 extra final and 1 semi. Djokovic, on the other hand, won 3 times, reached 4 extra finals, and 1 semi, which shows a higher degree of consistency than the guy that's supposed to have dominated him.

But Nadal only entered it 8 times. 50% win rate in the decade.

 

[TripleATeam]

But Nadal only entered it 8 times. 50% win rate in the decade.

Djokovic entered 9 times, as did Sampras, plus I wouldn't say that exactly matters. Not being present is almost the same as losing it. Sure, maybe you weren't there, but that just means you weren't able to express your dominance.

Say I entered the US Open 4 times and won every time. Then I stay out for the next 6 years, during which there is 2 guys who win the remaining 8 titles, entering every event this decade.

Me: 4/4 = 100% with 4 wins and nothing else.
Player A = 3/10 = 30% with 3 wins, 5 finals, 2 semis.
Player B = 3/10 = 30% with 3 wins, 5 finals, 2 semis.

Personally, I would not say I dominated these other two players at all.

 

[weakera]

Djokovic entered 9 times, as did Sampras, plus I wouldn't say that exactly matters.

Lol. It clearly matters.

 

[TripleATeam]

Lol. It clearly matters.

I just outlined why I thought it didn't. If Nadal can't play, he can't dominate. I wouldn't give Nadal any more props if he entered only in 2010, 2013, 2018, and 2019 - he still only won 4 titles compared to Djokovic's 3, with only a 2-1 H2H. That isn't dominance.

Care to explain why it does matter?

 

[weakera]

I just outlined why I thought it didn't. If Nadal can't play, he can't dominate. I wouldn't give Nadal any more props if he entered only in 2010, 2013, 2018, and 2019 - he still only won 4 titles compared to Djokovic's 3, with only a 2-1 H2H. That isn't dominance.

Care to explain why it does matter?

A 50% win rate is Bull's true win rate at the USO this past decade. He won 50% of the time he participated. If anything the 2015-16 period was a bizarre aberration that even inhibits this statistic.

 

[zvelf]

Nadal was 44-4 (91.7%) at the U.S. Open from 2010-2019 with 4 wins and 1 final. Djokovic was 53-6 (89.8%) during the same time period with 3 wins and 4 finals. If Nadal dominated during this time, then Djokovic did too. But if two people dominating one tournament is an oxymoron, then neither dominated. So it depends on your perspective.

 

[tennis_pro]

Dominated the Youzhnys and Berrettinis, that's what he did.

The fact that Nadal is a 4-time USO champion is the 3rd biggest tragedy in tennis history after the Seles stabbing and Halep's surgery.

 

[StrongRule]

Dominated the Youzhnys and Berrettinis, that's what he did.

The fact that Nadal is a 4-time USO champion is the 3rd biggest tragedy in tennis history after the Seles stabbing and Halep's surgery.

The fact that you are still not banned is the first biggest tragedy on this forum.

 

[beast of mallorca]

Dominated the Youzhnys and Berrettinis, that's what he did.

The fact that Nadal is a 4-time USO champion is the 3rd biggest tragedy in tennis history after the Seles stabbing and Halep's surgery.

And the fact that Rafa makes you cry like a baby girl is an added bonus to the 19th. That's what you get

 

[StrongRule]

And the fact that Rafa makes you cry like a baby girl is an added bonus to the 19th. That's what you get

Some Federer fans are even more angry than they were after Wimbledon final. Says a lot about them.

 

[tennis_pro]

And the fact that Rafa makes you cry like a baby girl is an added bonus to the 19th. That's what you get

WTF it's you fans of the peasant king who have been rubbing it like there's no tomorrow for 2 months+ Can't even celebrate a Slam win without s**ting on everyone else

 

[beast of mallorca]

WTF it's you fans of the peasant king who have been rubbing it like there's no tomorrow for 2 months+ Can't even celebrate a Slam win without s**ting on everyone else

You deserve all that sh***ing.
Karma is a ***** alright. And It's all over your face . Just sayin'

 

[tennis_pro]

You deserve all that sh***ing.
Karma is a ***** alright. And It's all over your face . Just sayin'

yeah karma works both ways so the more you bend the string the more s**t you're gonna get later on, just sayin

 

[beast of mallorca]

yeah karma works both ways so the more you bend the string the more s**t you're gonna get later on, just sayin

That is swell indeed, because I never denigrate on Federer . Karma is back on you.

40-15 and 19 will always be on your face. What a good day indeed

 

[tennis_pro]

That is swell indeed, because I never denigrate on Federer . Karma is back on you.

40-15 and 19 will always be on your face. What a good day indeed

If the memory of"40-15" is still the best thing that has happened during your day 2 months after the fact then enjoy the rest of your boring life

 

[beast of mallorca]

If "40-15" is still the best thing that has happened during your day 2 months after the fact then enjoy the rest of your boring life

Haha, cry some more, baby girl

 

[steelcity32]

If the memory of"40-15" is still the best thing that has happened during your day 2 months after the fact then enjoy the rest of your boring life

It's honestly one of the best things that's ever happened in tennis history. Classic moment of a current era GOAT overcoming overwhelming odds to take down a previous era GOAT.

 

[tennis_pro]

It's honestly one of the best things that's ever happened in tennis history. Classic moment of a current era GOAT overcoming overwhelming odds to take down a previous era GOAT.

Reread what I wrote.

 

[Ladron]

rafa fans are seriously the most insufferable. people say fed fans whine, but literally y'all can't handle a simple mentioning of facts

It's a fact that Rafa cheats? How so?
Stupid post.

Plenty of good Federer fans giving Nadal credit. Unfortunately,there is rotten fruit among every fanbase and people like you give Federer fans a bad name. Silly, stupid post.

 

[Ladron]

Dominated the Youzhnys and Berrettinis, that's what he did.

The fact that Nadal is a 4-time USO champion is the 3rd biggest tragedy in tennis history after the Seles stabbing and Halep's surgery.

You can only face what it in front of you? We cannot penalize Rafa for beating whoever was there. Federer lost prematurely. Djokovic got destroyed by Wawrinka.

How is it Rafa's fault that some of the seeds were upset? Do we penalize Federer for not facing Nadal in the AO 2019 final?

 

[icedevil0289]

It's a fact that Rafa cheats? How so?
Stupid post.

Plenty of good Federer fans giving Nadal credit. Unfortunately,there is rotten fruit among every fanbase and people like you give Federer fans a bad name. Silly, stupid post.

i can give credit and say nadal is an amazing talent but also criticize him for his oncourt behavior/gamesmanship and if you think he doesnt bend the rules to his liking than idk what to tell you.

 

[Ladron]

i can give credit and say nadal is an amazing talent but also criticize him for his oncourt behavior/gamesmanship and if you think he doesnt bend the rules to his liking than idk what to tell you.

I think there is a difference between taking advantage of lax implementation of specific rules , such as time between points, and cheating.

I think you can agree with this.

 

[icedevil0289]

I think there is a difference between taking advantage of lax implementation of specific rules , such as time between points, and cheating.

I think you can agree with this.

taking time between points is already an issue but i find it disrepectful how he also held up medvedev's serve and people can go on with the bs about hte crowd, but rafa also has a habit of doing that despite the rule saying play to the server. he did that against nick at acapulco and pretty sure nick hit what would have been an ace and yet after that match people talked more about nick's antics. i wouldn't mind if rafa didnt have this narrative of a humble warrior and people can call out his bs when it happens.

 

[Ladron]

taking time between points is already an issue but i find it disrepectful how he also held up medvedev's serve and people can go on with the bs about hte crowd, but rafa also has a habit of doing that despite the rule saying play to the server. he did that against nick at acapulco and pretty sure nick hit what would have been an ace and yet after that match people talked more about nick's antics. i wouldn't mind if rafa didnt have this narrative of a humble warrior and people can call out his bs when it happens.

But we disagree on what constitutes cheating. Humility has nothing to do with trying to win a match. Every top player does what he does to try to win. What that has to do with humility, I don't quite get.

As long as they are not cheating, that's fine. Players sometimes take medical breaks to get their heads right before big moments. Federer did that in the A0 2017 final. Find me the Nadal fans who called him a cheat. There is no problem. Maybe he was hurt and maybe not but even if he wasn't and needed a moment to regroup,I personally have no problem. And he won the match.

Do we then say that Federer' timing was suspicious because he lost the 4th set and was reeling? No. I think the same standard has to be applied to everyone.

Calling someone a cheat is a big claim. Unless Rafa gets caught testing positive for a PED, I don't see how the term cheat applies anywhere.

 

[tennis_pro]

You can only face what it in front of you? We cannot penalize Rafa for beating whoever was there. Federer lost prematurely. Djokovic got destroyed by Wawrinka.

How is it Rafa's fault that some of the seeds were upset? Do we penalize Federer for not facing Nadal in the AO 2019 final?

Oh I take everything back, then. His win against Berrettini was epic.

 

[Ladron]

Oh I take everything back, then. His win against Berrettini was epic.

I didn't say that it was epic. But neither is winning a straight set match against Phillaposis. You can only face what is in front of you.

 

[tennis_pro]

I didn't say that it was epic. But neither is winning a straight set match against Phillaposis. You can only face what is in front of you.

Who's Philaposis?

 

[Ladron]

Whoever Federer faced in 2003 Wimbledon. That Australian.