Did Nadal play his best today?

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I didn't watch the whole match, fell asleep but what i did see was some amazing defense and speed by nadal today. I would have to say it is the best i have ever seen him play. Soderling couldn't do anything. I think you have to be a idiot to think soderling just did not play well. Federer has nowhere near the defense and speed and the quality of shots in comparison to nadal when he is on the run. Of course soderling is going to play better against federer. The people that think nadal winning and claiming soderling did not play well
or did not show up today are truely butthurt and clueless. Imho.
 
Nadal didn't play his best, however, Sod played much worse (Nadal's game had something to do with that).
 
Al, I wish you had been my teacher and professor. With such gentle grading (Sod B+) I would have brought a pillow to class.

45 UEs (22 in the 1st set) by Sod meant Rafa just needed to stay steady and he was going to win.
 
Nadal shut him down from what I saw. Totally different match from 2009 since Nadal was moving well and keeping the ball deeper. I don't know if Nadal played his best, I saw him play better matches in other clay tournaments this season...but he played well enough to run the clay court table, which has never been done before so... :)
 
Shut him down is close. But the way nadal seemed to be moving and playing defense was to me amazing. I wanted to see soderling play like he can just hit winners at will and blow nadal away, it was like trying to watch the impossible happen especially when nadal seemed so up to the challenge. He looked fresh as a daisy the way he was moving out there. To a big hitter who likes to dominate with power like soderling it's like playing the biggest pusher of all time and the most frustrating type a player to play against especially when them shots are comming back with something on them.
 
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No way. His best would have been his spanking of Fed in 2008 of 6-1, 6-3, 6-0.


But federer did not even test nadal in that match. Soderling tested nadal better than anybody i have ever seen besides federer as far as how great of defense he can play.
 
I didn't watch the whole match, fell asleep but what i did see was some amazing defense and speed by nadal today. I would have to say it is the best i have ever seen him play. Soderling couldn't do anything. I think you have to be a idiot to think soderling just did not play well. Federer has nowhere near the defense and speed and the quality of shots in comparison to nadal when he is on the run. Of course soderling is going to play better against federer. The people that think nadal winning and claiming soderling did not play well
or did not show up today are truely butthurt and clueless. Imho.

No, it definitely wasn't his best but he was much better than in Madrid. Maybe at 70-80% in this match. Soderling was at about 30-40%.
 
Not even close! look at FO 08 or MC this year, he played at much higher level. That Nadal would probably bagel and breadstick Soderling.
 
Nadal definitely played his best, but Soderling was far from his best, hence the result. If both played their best, Nadal would still win probably, but the score would be closer.
 
anyone that says that soderling played poorly isn't taking into account that that's what rafa's game does to players. sod had to try to go or more shots & bigger shots if he wanted to stand a chance, and that results in more UEs.
 
Nadal did what he was supposed to do.

soderling was always the aggressor in this match. So nadal just retrieved and waited for the chance to counterpunch.
 
yes nadal played really well. the stats on his side show its his best match of the tournament. nearly 80% serves in, and nearly double winners UEs. he also caused many UEs from soderling, and was a demon on BPs. look at how he defends.

so yes extremely well played
 
I didn't watch the whole match, fell asleep but what i did see was some amazing defense and speed by nadal today. I would have to say it is the best i have ever seen him play. Soderling couldn't do anything. I think you have to be a idiot to think soderling just did not play well. Federer has nowhere near the defense and speed and the quality of shots in comparison to nadal when he is on the run. Of course soderling is going to play better against federer. The people that think nadal winning and claiming soderling did not play well
or did not show up today are truely butthurt and clueless. Imho.
Sure, that's why Soderling was 0-12 versus Federer. Speaking of "clueless"?
 
Federer did not show any fight in that match. I dont know how you think nadal played so well against fed in 08 compared to how he played today against a guy that was making him work incredibly hard.
It's kind of hard to show any fight when you're weakened with mono. :???:
 
Nadal often plays as good as he needs to beat his opponents. That's why the matches against great players like Federer are such a joy.
 
I don't think Nadal played as well as he absolutely could, but definitely still played great and got the job done. Still, he hit many short balls.
 
I think Nadal played extremely well. It was jaw-dropping to me. Sod was hitting the crap out of that ball. He was hitting what would have been four or five times in a point. I have never seen that much power on court with someone getting it back. Sod has nothing to hang his head for, I'd like to see someone else win that match against him. In addition to wearing him down physically, I think Nadal wore him down mentally.


I also don't agree about the he was tired thing. Sod was crushing people throughout the tournament sparing very few games. The only tough match he had was Berdych and that was two days prior, plenty of time to rest.

It was a great match. I couldn't believe those gets Rafa was getting and sending back.
 
I just read an interview with uncle Toni who though Rafa was at his best.

It's pretty amazing when you beat/equal an opponent on his own weapons.
 
Some of the best tennis I've ever seen. Insane tennis. Hitting aces out wide, getting EVERY ball and driving Soderling absolutely nuts, picking up short balls and WHACKING them into the corners, even laying down some sweet volleys at the net. As a Fed fan, I had to admit, Nadal is playing a level above Fed right now, way above. He is playing MUCH better than any player in the ATP at the moment on clay.
 
Nadal is the best player on clay in tennis history. People underestimate what that actually means.

However on hard courts, it's another bussiness. I was just watching the tournament in Halle and boy oh boy does that ball fly over that grass court...
 
I was lucky enough to have attended the Nadal vs Soderling final yesterday (initially we were only going to the women's final, but by a pure stroke of luck we got last-minute tickets for the men's final as well :)) and I was simply amazed by the shots and recoveries that Nadal was able to pull off. Definitely a great performance by Rafa IMO. In fact both Rafa and Uncle Toni were apparently saying how it was among the best matches Nadal has ever played.

I don't think Soderling played badly. As others have said it's very difficult if you have to hit the equivalent of 2 or 3 winners to win a point against Nadal (UE rate is clearly going to rise, and furthermore it is bound to be very physically and mentally draining).

I wouldn't have been too pleased had Soderling capitulated like Federer did in the second half of the brief 2008 final, but at the end of the day Soderling gave his all and managed to push Rafa hard for quite some time (2:15). And did you see the way Rafa saved one of the eight breakpoints? Simply amazing! [And if anything I'm more of a Federer fan]

So I look forward to attending next year if I can :) I like the other Grand Slams and try to go to at least one other in a given year, but Roland Garros is the only truly compulsory one on my calendar!
 
I was lucky enough to have attended the Nadal vs Soderling final yesterday (initially we were only going to the women's final, but by a pure stroke of luck we got last-minute tickets for the men's final as well :)) and I was simply amazed by the shots and recoveries that Nadal was able to pull off. Definitely a great performance by Rafa IMO. In fact both Rafa and Uncle Toni were apparently saying how it was among the best matches Nadal has ever played.

Wow. Very nice. It must have been amazing to see some of those recoveries in real life indeed.

I would have loved to see some of those Soderling canonballs getting returned time after time.
 
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Cult members been busting out big time since yesterday. Worshipping players that are laughing their asses off @ u behind your back. LOL. They dont give a crap about us but u all sure do. Slave/Master mentality.

Exactly what was said. Hard 2 judge when one player was peaked out and played flat. LOL. Shut him down? Soderling killed himself early on. He peaks in the 4th and QF of slams. Nadal did what he had 2 do and the better man won. LOL on all the sordid drawn out BS with streaming video explanations.
 
I think Nadal played extremely well. It was jaw-dropping to me. Sod was hitting the crap out of that ball. He was hitting what would have been four or five times in a point. I have never seen that much power on court with someone getting it back. Sod has nothing to hang his head for, I'd like to see someone else win that match against him. In addition to wearing him down physically, I think Nadal wore him down mentally.


I also don't agree about the he was tired thing. Sod was crushing people throughout the tournament sparing very few games. The only tough match he had was Berdych and that was two days prior, plenty of time to rest.

It was a great match. I couldn't believe those gets Rafa was getting and sending back.

Yes. As someone pointed out in another thread, Nadal's insane defensive skills turned Soderling's 50+ winners into "only" 32. Against another player, Soderling would have looked rather terrific. It's often the case that you play and look only as good as your oponent lets you.

That said, I still don't think he was quite at the level of his 2008 RG. Then again, he didn't have to be at that level to sweep the clay seasons from 2005 through 2007.

In the 2008 RG, Nadal played at such phenomenal level that it makes it impossible to evaluate the performance of his opponents. As Wilander once said about Lendl, "sometimes he makes you look like you're playing badly, but that's only because he is playing perfect." Consider this: In the 2008 RG, Nadal broke his opponents' serve about 65% of the time on average, and I believe he had above 50% breaking percentages in all his matches except in the semifinal. What this means, in theory, is that he would have won all those matches by simply returning serve in every game, never having to serve a single point, which is something to think about. For perspective, the average breaking percentage at RG is about 24%, or once every 4 returning games. Nadal broke his opponents in nearly 2 out of 3 returning games on average, and in some matches it was as high as 3 out of 4. With this in mind, it's easy to understand it would be impossible for almost anyone who had the misfortune of playing him to look good in his match against him during that tournament.
 
It's hardly mentioned but i think it was Nadal's mental focus that won the match. He was very focused on what he needed to do at the important points. To stay focused on every shot for 2 or 3 hours is what differentiates Rafa from the rest of the pack right now. Try staying focused for every shot in a 2 hour rally practice to find out for yourself.
 
It's hardly mentioned but i think it was Nadal's mental focus that won the match. He was very focused on what he needed to do at the important points. To stay focused on every shot for 2 or 3 hours is what differentiates Rafa from the rest of the pack right now. Try staying focused for every shot in a 2 hour rally practice to find out for yourself.

Bingo! And even more so, many can not keep it 2gether mentally and physically for 7 matches. That is why Federer and Nadal r separated from the pack.
 
Yes. As someone pointed out in another thread, Nadal's insane defensive skills turned Soderling's 50+ winners into "only" 32. Against another player, Soderling would have looked rather terrific. It's often the case that you play and look only as good as your oponent lets you.

That said, I still don't think he was quite at the level of his 2008 RG. Then again, he didn't have to be at that level to sweep the clay seasons from 2005 through 2007.

In the 2008 RG, Nadal played at such phenomenal level that it makes it impossible to evaluate the performance of his opponents. As Wilander once said about Lendl, "sometimes he makes you look like you're playing badly, but that's only because he is playing perfect." Consider this: In the 2008 RG, Nadal broke his opponents' serve about 65% of the time on average, and I believe he had above 50% breaking percentages in all his matches except in the semifinal. What this means, in theory, is that he would have won all those matches by simply returning serve in every game, never having to serve a single point, which is something to think about. For perspective, the average breaking percentage at RG is about 24%, or once every 4 returning games. Nadal broke his opponents in nearly 2 out of 3 returning games on average, and in some matches it was as high as 3 out of 4. With this in mind, it's easy to understand it would be impossible for almost anyone who had the misfortune of playing him to look good in his match against him during that tournament.

Great points.

The RG2008 was phenomenal, but in that match Fed didn't fight back. Rafa came in with a game plan that he executed, but met with little resistance. I'm sure at some point he thought Fed would start fighting so he didn't want to take his foot off the pedal. So Nadal playing at an insane level against someone who isn't playing back looked even more masterful. But, in this case Soderling was throwing everything he could at Nadal, remember Soderling thought he had figured out who Nadal was, and could hit him off the court. I have never seen power like that on a tennis court, nevertheless seeing it returned with interest. Nadal was retrieving 4-5 shots that would have been winners consistently during a point and many times turning offense into defense.

That is the best match I've ever seen Nadal play against all odds. With Fed, they both know each other's game and are comfortable with it. In this match Rafa had to play at an insane level against something he's supposedly not the best at, power! And I can't gauge who's power is greater, Sod's or Del Potro's, but Sunday Nadal turned the page on his naysayer's and can only gain tremendous confidence going forward.
 
That is the best match I've ever seen Nadal play against all odds. With Fed, they both know each other's game and are comfortable with it. In this match Rafa had to play at an insane level against something he's supposedly not the best at, power! And I can't gauge who's power is greater, Sod's or Del Potro's, but Sunday Nadal turned the page on his naysayer's and can only gain tremendous confidence going forward.


I have never seen nadal move so great and play defense as well as against soderling.

Delpo hits a harder forehand than soderling when he wants to, soderling hits harder more consistently.
 
I have never seen nadal move so great and play defense as well as against soderling.

Delpo hits a harder forehand than soderling when he wants to, soderling hits harder more consistently.


Nadal's defense in 2005-2006 was even better I think, but he moved great in this match as well.
 
Nadal played a very solid match.His defense was excellent+serving was also very good, but i would not say it was his best.
 
Bingo! And even more so, many can not keep it 2gether mentally and physically for 7 matches. That is why Federer and Nadal r separated from the pack.

Agreed as well, Nadal didn't necessarily play as best as he could throughout the match, but he focused and rose when it mattered.
 
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