Did Novak Djokovic mostly major in minors?

[Gary Duane]

To be honest, I don't know Gary. I can recall who won the CYGS and CGS but not which ones won 4 in a row although I'm certainly not knocking that achievement. Maybe that's just me or maybe it tells us something?

Not sure. I thought for most people it was clear that Laver did it, and that no one since has done it. Fed was denied several times, Nadal at least once. Sampras probably was denied, McEnroe too, I believe, probably Lendl.

For the same reason that majors on all surfaces is necessary today to win a CGS, it is also necessary to do the same thing in a row with four, and to me that is a MUCH bigger accomplishment.

You know I'm not a fan of Novak (not against him either), but I think his accomplishment was huge and if anything was hugely underrated.

The guy really doesn't get enough respect. I know, I sound like Chico.

And, for the record, what he did has never been done before, because in Laver's time it was impossible. There were only two surfaces.

For me personally the only thing that might compare with four in a row would be something like two CGSs or what Roger did, three triples. Three in one calendar year, three times, is freaking amazing, and there was another time he got 3 out of 4, not in a year.

 

[FudgeControl]

Some people don't know what they're talking about

Nole has defeated Federer in the last 3 slam finals they played against each other

Nole leads 3-1 in slam finals overall against the "GOAT"

Fed is literal garbage. Just saying..

 

[1477aces]

Some people don't know what they're talking about

Nole has defeated Federer in the last 3 slam finals they played against each other

Nole leads 3-1 in slam finals overall against the "GOAT"

By dumb Djokovic fan's logic, Federer would have been better off if he retired after 2012 with 17 majors and a 1-0 record against Djoker in slam finals (6-5 in slams).

 

[cc0509]

I disagree a bit. Who else has won four slams in a row on the men's side in the Open era?

Unless I have lost my mind, only Laver, right? That's pretty damned hard to do and thus very special!

Laver won the CYGS twice, not the NCYGS. There's a difference.

Again, the NCYGS is an excellent achievement and a rare one but there's a reason the media didn't focus heavily on it, i.e. it's not the gold standard CYGS!

You, Novak's parents and some people in Serbia can salivate about the achievement but most other people don't care.

 

[Noelan]

Laver won the CYGS twice, not the NCYGS. There's a difference.

Again, the NCYGS is an excellent achievement and a rare one but there's a reason the media didn't focus heavily on it, i.e. it's not the gold standard CYGS!

You, Novak's parents and some people in Serbia can salivate about the achievement but most other people don't care.

Still Novaks name will remain written in ITF (tennis governing body in case that you didn't know what it is) history books. For now neither of your idols aren't there
http://itf.uberflip.com/i/775083-2017-itf-constitution-english/62?

 

[cc0509]

Still Novaks name will remain written in ITF (tennis governing body in case that you didn't know what it is) history books. For now neither of your idols aren't there
http://itf.uberflip.com/i/775083-2017-itf-constitution-english/62?

Whoop-de-doo! So you and Novak's 20 other fans can go celebrate that illustrious achievement!

 

[Noelan]

Whoop-de-doo! So you and Novak's 20 other fans can go celebrate that illustrious achievement!

Man, you really need to attend some anger management classes before posting

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

You, Novak's parents and some people in Serbia can salivate about the achievement but most other people don't care.

Whoop-de-doo! So you and Novak's 20 other fans can go celebrate that illustrious achievement!

It's one of the greatest achievements ever. The ultimate 12 months goal is to hold all Slams and that's something only Laver and Djokovic did in the Open Era. No four consecutive Majors combination is harder than the other as they all bring a lot of pressure and require the same number of wins in a row. We'd have tons of non-calendar achievements if they were less difficult but instead we had to wait almost half a century for any kind of 4 in a row to happen again.

 

[VexlanderPrime]

You, Novak's parents and some people in Serbia can salivate about the achievement but most other people don't care.

When ur calling one of the better posters on TTW a Djoker fanboy despite the fact that it's well established he doesn't even really like Djoker... maybe that's the sign you need to reevaluate your position... just MAAAAAYBE...

The NCYS is a notch behind the CYS, no more, no less - for all the reasons already addressed by @Gary Duane

 

[KINGROGER]

I class Nole as having won 3/4 slams in 2015 and 2/4 in 2016 so 5/8.

No player has 4/4 since Laver.

 

[Gary Duane]

Laver won the CYGS twice, not the NCYGS. There's a difference.

Again, the NCYGS is an excellent achievement and a rare one but there's a reason the media didn't focus heavily on it, i.e. it's not the gold standard CYGS!

He won it the first time as an amateur.

I was talking about what has been done in the Open era. If you want to go before 1969 then there is Budge, right?

You, Novak's parents and some people in Serbia can salivate about the achievement but most other people don't care.

Way to turn a discussion into a hate post against Serbians.

I'm not salivating over any player, and I'm clearly not a fan of Djokovic, which I've said many times. But you just sound like a bitter jerk.

 

[Noelan]

You went back and forward with cc09 so many times for the same thing. Firm in hatred ,xenophobic poor thing and is not banned yet.

 

[cc0509]

It's one of the greatest achievements ever. The ultimate 12 months goal is to hold all Slams and that's something only Laver and Djokovic did in the Open Era. No four consecutive Majors combination is harder than the other as they all bring a lot of pressure and require the same number of wins in a row. We'd have tons of non-calendar achievements if they were less difficult but instead we had to wait almost half a century for any kind of 4 in a row to happen again.

When ur calling one of the better posters on TTW a Djoker fanboy despite the fact that it's well established he doesn't even really like Djoker... maybe that's the sign you need to reevaluate your position... just MAAAAAYBE...

The NCYS is a notch behind the CYS, no more, no less - for all the reasons already addressed by @Gary Duane

I never said Djokovic's NCYGS wasn't an excellent achievement, I said it's not the same thing in terms of prestige as the CYGS(which Laver and Graf have achieved) and obviously the media agrees with me because how much attention did Djokovic's NCYGS receive? Look at how much press and attention Serena received for almost completing the CYGS until she lost at the USO.

 

[JMR]

No four consecutive Majors combination is harder than the other as they all bring a lot of pressure and require the same number of wins in a row.

First, I'm not sure that's true. As I believe someone already has pointed out in this thread, most combinations require the French Open and Wimbledon to be won back-to-back, but Djokovic's combination did not. That difference is at least worth considering. Also, the NCYGS always includes an off-season, which may affect the player's ability to recover and cope with pressure. No off-season in the CYGS.

Second, even if any particular NCYGS combo is no easier than the CYGS, the NCYGS in general theoretically should be much easier because there are four times as many ways to achieve it. Any slam victory can be the starting point. With the CYGS, if you don't win the AO, your quest is over until the next year. Now, in reality, we obviously haven't had four times as many NCYGS winners, or even close to that, but we have had more male players win any three slams in a row than win the particular AO-FO-Wim combination. In other words, while several players since Laver have had a chance to win the NCYGS -- even Sampras came into the 1994 FO with the NCYGS on the line -- no man since Laver has come into the USO with three slams already under his belt for that year.

 

[cc0509]

He won it the first time as an amateur.

I was talking about what has been done in the Open era. If you want to go before 1969 then there is Budge, right?

Way to turn a discussion into a hate post against Serbians.

I'm not salivating over any player, and I'm clearly not a fan of Djokovic, which I've said many times. But you just sound like a bitter jerk.

My comment in no way was a hateful comment against Serbians! All I said was that Novak's parents and some people in Serbia (as that's where Novak is from and many of his fans come from) can salivate over the NCYGS but the actual press didn't seem that excited about it as it's not the same feat as a CYGS no matter how many people want to spin that it is.

 

[Gary Duane]

I never said Djokovic's NCYGS wasn't an excellent achievement, I said it's not the same thing in terms of prestige as the CYGS(which Laver and Graf have achieved) and obviously the media agrees with me because how much attention did Djokovic's NCYGS receive? Look at how much press and attention Serena received for almost completing the CYGS until she lost at the USO.

How much media attention does Djokovic ever get?

You are confusing achievement with popularity. If Federer had done the same thing the world would be at his feet. And probably much the same for Nadal.

If Novak had won the CYGS, he would have gotten reluctant respect. He has not been a popular champion, which you know very well.

It's mostly about image and star-power, and people in general are both fickle and pretty stupid.

 

[RF-18]

I never said Djokovic's NCYGS wasn't an excellent achievement, I said it's not the same thing in terms of prestige as the CYGS(which Laver and Graf have achieved) and obviously the media agrees with me because how much attention did Djokovic's NCYGS receive? Look at how much press and attention Serena received for almost completing the CYGS until she lost at the USO.

There was major attention about djoko winning 4 in a row before he won the FO. You just want to hear stuff you want to hear. Stop making stuff up. Even Murray addressed it in the ceremony speech.

Even ITF has noted it, and they rarely do that if it's not historical and special.

 

[Gary Duane]

My comment in no way was a hateful comment against Serbians! All I said was that Novak's parents and some people in Serbia (as that's where Novak is from and many of his fans come from) can salivate over the NCYGS but the actual press didn't seem that excited about it as it's not the same feat as a CYGS no matter how many people want to spin that it is.

You could pick something more "palatable" than "salivate", and you're a smart enough guy to get that.

I'll repeat what I just said elsewhere: if Fed had done it, it would have been hyped from here to Mars. Novak has never been a crowd favorite. He never got the kind of rock-star status that guys like Nadal got, and I put that downt to image - or maybe just his style of game.

 

[Mr.Lob]

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[Gary Duane]

There was major attention about djoko winning 4 in a row before he won the FO. You just want to hear stuff you want to hear. Stop making stuff up. Even Murray addressed it in the ceremony speech.

Even ITF has noted it, and they rarely do that if it's not historical and special.

CC is in major dick mood today and is trying to walk it back. We all can hear the "dog whistle" being blown when we see words like "Serbians salivating".

I'm not buying his walk-back, which is John Spicer like.

 

[cc0509]

You went back and forward with cc09 so many times for the same thing. Firm in hatred ,xenophobic poor thing and is not banned yet.

Would you get lost! My comment wasn't meant to be hateful in any way against Serbians. Novak is from Serbia and a lot of his fans are from there and I was trying to paint the picture that Novak's fans may be over-inflating the value of a NCYGS but the tennis world sure didn't make much of a fuss about it and if it was the CYGS he achieved instead it would have been a BIG story.

Learn how to read and comprehend English instead of attacking me and any poster who doesn't worship at the altar of Novak Djokovic.

 

[RF-18]

First, I'm not sure that's true. As I believe someone already has pointed out in this thread, most combinations require the French Open and Wimbledon to be won back-to-back, but Djokovic's combination did not. That difference is at least worth considering. Also, the NCYGS always includes an off-season, which may affect the player's ability to recover and cope with pressure. No off-season in the CYGS.

Second, even if any particular NCYGS combo is no easier than the CYGS, the NCYGS in general theoretically should be much easier because there are four times as many ways to achieve it. Any slam victory can be the starting point. With the CYGS, if you don't win the AO, your quest is over until the next year. Now, in reality, we obviously haven't had four times as many NCYGS winners, or even close to that, but we have had more male players win any three slams in a row than win the particular AO-FO-Wim combination. In other words, while several players since Laver have had a chance to win the NCYGS -- even Sampras came into the 1994 FO with the NCYGS on the line -- no man since Laver has come into the USO with three slams already under his belt for that year.

Well no one has won NCYGS before in the men's game, off season or not, no one has been capable of doing it. That should tell what a tough and historical achievement it is.

 

[cc0509]

CC is in major dick mood today and is trying to walk it back. We all can hear the "dog whistle" being blown when we see words like "Serbians salivating".

I'm not buying his walk-back, which is John Spicer like.

I'm not walking anything back. My comment took a dig at the popularity of Djokovic or the lack of it and the number of fans he has and not at Serbians!

 

[Noelan]

Would you get lost! My comment wasn't meant to be hateful in any way against Serbians. Novak is from Serbia and a lot of his fans are from there and I was trying to paint the picture that Novak's fans may be over-inflating the value of a NCYGS but the tennis world sure didn't make much of a fuss about it and if it was the CYGS he achieved instead it would have been a BIG story.

Learn how to read and comprehend English instead of attacking me and any poster who doesn't worship at the altar of Novak Djokovic.

Trying to contol damage
I'm not that kind of a poster to dig old treads but in your case someone should do it.

 

[cc0509]

There was major attention about djoko winning 4 in a row before he won the FO. You just want to hear stuff you want to hear. Stop making stuff up. Even Murray addressed it in the ceremony speech.

Even ITF has noted it, and they rarely do that if it's not historical and special.

There was virtually no press attached to Novak's NCYGS and that wouldn't have been the case if he achieved the CYGS and you know it.

 

[cc0509]

Trying to contol damage
I'm not that kind of a poster to dig old treads but in your case someone should do it.

Go ahead and dig. You won't find any direct hateful comments against Serbians, only comments about Djokovic's lack of popularity and thus many(not all obviously) of his fans are in fact Serbian. I've taken many digs about Djokovic's lack of popularity and to my knowledge that isn't against the forum rules.

Now truly, go away and stop attacking posters if they don't adore your hero.

 

[Noelan]

I told you I'm not that kind. But you should be more careful in way of expressing your butthurt over Djokovic and his career.
I guess you know that he has fans from all over the World from South Africa, Japan, US to Norway but you still dig on serbians just because he is Serbian. It makes you pathetic even more.

Anyway I'm done here with you.

 

[cc0509]

You could pick something more "palatable" than "salivate", and you're a smart enough guy to get that.

I'll repeat what I just said elsewhere: if Fed had done it, it would have been hyped from here to Mars. Novak has never been a crowd favorite. He never got the kind of rock-star status that guys like Nadal got, and I put that downt to image - or maybe just his style of game.

My comment wasn't meant to be palatable. I was trying to convey that Novak has 20 fans globally and 18 are from Serbia

If Federer had completed the NCYGS, he wouldn't have received that much attention about it in the press either. Obviously anything he does is given more attention because he's the most beloved tennis player of all time but seriously, what he did at 35 by winning slam number 18 was given a lot more press attention than if he had achieved a NCYGS.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Sounds to me like a certain poster is still bitter about Djokovic achieving something his beloved Federer and supposed other favourite weren't able to, even though he's had nearly a year to come to terms with it. You see that's one of the things that made June 5 2016 such a special day. He and so many other Fedal fans who hate Novak would've been praying for him to fail but instead he killed two birds with one stone - completing the Career Grand Slam and achieving the NCYGS to boot! Always brings a smile to my face when I think about how gutted they must've been at the time (and apparently still are).

 

[RF-18]

There was virtually no press attached to Novak's NCYGS and that wouldn't have been the case if he achieved the CYGS and you know it.

Okey. This is not attention? I can probably find more were the tennis community recognizes his feat and the media.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/reactions-djokovic-roland-garros-2016-final

How can you insist stuff when it is not true?

Even ITF has listed Djokovics name in the roll of honour list for winning 4 in a row. Only him and Serena are mentioned in there from the "modern" era if we can call it like that.If you don't understand how big that is, then im sorry. I don't think they have Federers name In there for winning the most slams.

So it's not about attention, he got his attention, but I'd say as Gary did it has alot to do with popularity aswell. Don't confuse popularity with the actual achievement. What Djokovic did was something legendary and he has gotten recognized for it.

 

[cc0509]

I told you I'm not that kind. But you should be more careful in way of expressing your butthurt over Djokovic and his career.
I guess you know that he has fans from all over the World from South Africa, Japan, USO to Norway but you still dig on serbians just because he is Serbian. It makes you pathetic even more.

Anyway I'm done here with you.

LOL @ you of all posters telling me what I need to be careful about how I express myself. You get bent out of shape if somebody mentions that Djokovic has a hair out of place and you are one of the most bitter Federer haters on this forum.

I'm not butthurt about Djokovic and his career. I respect his achievements and give him his due. I've recently defended him and posted that people need to give him more time as he may make a comeback on the clay whereas others are writing him off completely. I'm not a Djokovic fan so excuse me if I don't make flowery posts about him to appease fans like you.

As for you being done with me I say, "finally!" Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

 

[Pagoo]

LOL @ you of all posters telling me what I need to be careful about how I express myself. You get bent out of shape if somebody mentions that Djokovic has a hair out of place and you are one of the most bitter Federer haters on this forum.

I'm not butthurt about Djokovic and his career. I respect his achievements and give him his due. I've recently defended him and posted that people need to give him more time as he may make a comeback on the clay whereas others are writing him off completely. I'm not a Djokovic fan so excuse me if I don't make flowery posts about him to appease fans like you.

As for you being done with me I say, "finally!" Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

It's amazing how some people lack self awareness. Who knew people could be such hypocrites? This clown enters every thread whining, calling Federer fans cultists and fan boys every single day. Yet, she's the same person that ask why people aren't banned. The funniest thing I read was when she told tennispro she had better values than him. I almost fell down laughing.

I used to think she was just trolling. However, I think she actually believes in her self-righteousness.It's sad.

 

[cc0509]

It's amazing how some people lack self awareness. Who knew people could be such hypocrites? This clown enters every thread whining, calling Federer fans cultists and fan boys every single day. Yet, she's the same person that ask why people aren't banned. The funniest thing I read was when she told tennispro she had better values than him. I almost fell down laughing.

I used to think she was just trolling. However, I think she actually believes in her self-righteousness.It's sad.

You hit the nail on the head. You just have to shake your head and laugh.

 

[Noelan]

It's amazing how some people lack self awareness. Who knew people could be such hypocrites? This clown enters every thread whining, calling Federer fans cultists and fan boys every single day. Yet, she's the same person that ask why people aren't banned. The funniest thing I read was when she told tennispro she had better values than him. I almost fell down laughing.

I used to think she was just trolling. However, I think she actually believes in her self-righteousness.It's sad.

Well I'm fed up with such and you sir find yourself in it.
Clown???

 

[Pagoo]

Well I'm fed up with such and you sir find yourself in it.
Clown???

Bugger off!

Yes, you're so fed up you spend your whole life here. That's right. "Ima spend all my time on a forum whining and hating because I'm fed up."

Sounds legit!

 

[JMR]

Well no one has won NCYGS before in the men's game, off season or not, no one has been capable of doing it. That should tell what a tough and historical achievement it is.

Sure, it's plainly extremely difficult, rare, and deserving of accolades. But those traits don't necessarily warrant the conclusion that the NCYGS is exactly the same as the CYGS. That's the only issue here.

 

[Noelan]

Bugger off!

See what kind of stuff I'm talking about here

 

[Pagoo]

See what kind of stuff I'm talking about here

Nobody is buying your smileys. You're truly a special case. Anyway I'm done here. I could say a lot worse, but I guess I have better values after all.

Ciao!

 

[Noelan]

Bugger off!

Yes, you're so fed up you spend your whole life here. That's right. "Ima spend all my time on a forum whining and hating because I'm fed up."

Sounds legit!

Should look about your time (number of posts and date of registration) here, before

 

[Pagoo]

Should look about your time (number of posts and date of registration) here, before

Na na na na na na.

 

[Steve0904]

Fed is literal garbage. Just saying..

Banned I see.

 

[swordtennis]

Yeah banned yet far far far worse terms have been used labeling players by a certain fan base.
Hypocrisy101.

 

[RF-18]

Yeah banned yet far far far worse terms have been used labeling players by a certain fan base.
Hypocrisy101.

Surely there must have been something else he got banned for

Otherwise they'd have to close this site if that was the reason he got banned

 

[Steve0904]

Yeah banned yet far far far worse terms have been used labeling players by a certain fan base.
Hypocrisy101.

I'm sure that comment is not what he was banned for. It's not a great comment, but far worse have been said.

The avatar he had though, was classless. If you could get banned for distasteful avatars he'd be first on my list.

 

[swordtennis]

I'm sure that comment is not what he was banned for. It's not a great comment, but far worse have been said.

The avatar he had though, was classless. If you could get banned for distasteful avatars he'd be first on my list.

Ok I did not see the avatar so I can not comment on that.

 

[Noelan]

Surely there must have been something else he got banned for

Otherwise they'd have to close this site if that was the reason he got banned

I always thought that xenophobic reference is banable offence. I guess I was wrong..
As for avatars there where one (singer who openly pleaded for fascism) can't remember that poster was banned

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

First, I'm not sure that's true. As I believe someone already has pointed out in this thread, most combinations require the French Open and Wimbledon to be won back-to-back, but Djokovic's combination did not. That difference is at least worth considering. Also, the NCYGS always includes an off-season, which may affect the player's ability to recover and cope with pressure. No off-season in the CYGS.

Second, even if any particular NCYGS combo is no easier than the CYGS, the NCYGS in general theoretically should be much easier because there are four times as many ways to achieve it. Any slam victory can be the starting point. With the CYGS, if you don't win the AO, your quest is over until the next year. Now, in reality, we obviously haven't had four times as many NCYGS winners, or even close to that, but we have had more male players win any three slams in a row than win the particular AO-FO-Wim combination. In other words, while several players since Laver have had a chance to win the NCYGS -- even Sampras came into the 1994 FO with the NCYGS on the line -- no man since Laver has come into the USO with three slams already under his belt for that year.

Two require the Channel Slam, two don't. Btw, that one isn't the rarest double. I get the point though. I'd totally understand the off-season argument if all four Slams were squeezed in next to each other at some point during the season, but they are well spread across the calendar and those are the tournaments the players should always concentrate on the most, maybe even take a break and skip less important events if they need to be fully rested for the four Majors.

Yes, we had a lot of players going for the NCYGS at some particular tournament but on only one of six occasions the player won that fourth in a row. Maybe that indicates all combinations bring pressure, not just the CYGS? And while CYGS can only start in Australia, you still need to be unbeaten in BO5 for a whole year to achieve any kind of combination. That's why I think the significance of NCYGS shouldn't be questioned even if considered a bit less impressive than the CYGS.

 

[Gary Duane]

Sounds to me like a certain poster is still bitter about Djokovic achieving something his beloved Federer and supposed other favourite weren't able to, even though he's had nearly a year to come to terms with it. You see that's one of the things that made June 5 2016 such a special day. He and so many other Fedal fans who hate Novak would've been praying for him to fail but instead he killed two birds with one stone - completing the Career Grand Slam and achieving the NCYGS to boot! Always brings a smile to my face when I think about how gutted they must've been at the time (and apparently still are).

Hmm, who are talking about. Not BB, not DD, must be...

 

[Gary Duane]

Two require the Channel Slam, two don't. Btw, that one isn't the rarest double. I get the point though. I'd totally understand the off-season argument if all four Slams were squeezed in next to each other at some point during the season, but they are well spread across the calendar and those are the tournaments the players should always concentrate on the most, maybe even take a break and skip less important events if they need to be fully rested for the four Majors.

Yes, we had a lot of players going for the NCYGS at some particular tournament but on only one of six occasions the player won that fourth in a row. Maybe that indicates all combinations bring pressure, not just the CYGS? And while CYGS can only start in Australia, you still need to be unbeaten in BO5 for a whole year to achieve any kind of combination. That's why I think the significance of NCYGS shouldn't be questioned even if considered a bit less impressive than the CYGS.

Fully agree. I would go further. I think 5 in a row should beat a CYGS.

Will someone finally do it again?!?

 

[DerekNoleFam1]

On the OP, I remember the poster who used to say this statement.
She disappeared once she was left with egg on her face.
Novak could have converted more, not denying that, esp at the USO (2/7 at finals is unflattering, as was the semi loss to Nishikori in 2014).
In saying that he is better on slow-medium hard courts, which is why he is better at the AO-IW-Miami time of the year.
Also did better at the clay Masters than at the French, but always ran into a rampant Nadal, or a once-a-year Stanimal at RG 2015 when it looked like all the hard work had already been done.