Did Sinner win the match or did Djokovic lose it?

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What was the more necessary element of the match outcome, the elevation of Sinner's game or the struggles of Djokovic?

I see a lot of well deserved congratulations for Sinner but it sounds like he was barely facing an opponent in the first two sets.

Would he have overcome a well-playing Djokovic today?
 
Regardless Sinner had a game plan that he stuck to and it obviously worked.

I knew he was dangerous and everyone tried shrugging it off like he wasn’t.

Looks like Novak took it for granted as well and is unlikely to have a chance for a slam until Wim or USO

Playing like this he’s no threat to Nadal at the FO
 
jackson vile said:
Regardless Sinner had a game plan that he stuck to and it obviously worked.

I knew he was dangerous and everyone tried shrugging it off like he wasn’t.

Looks like Novak took it for granted as well and is unlikely to have a chance for a slam until Wim or USO

Playing like this he’s no threat to Nadal at the FO
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To me it seemed like everyone and their mothers was hyping Sinner up to win the whole thing.

On second thought maybe that was just all dking
 
The one constant in the match was Sinner’s level imo.

At different stages of the match Djokovic’s level was down (which helped Sinner) and then at other stages his level was up but Sinner always had an answer.

The biggest thing for me is that Djokovic is so good at parachuting out of trouble with his serve, and there were so many times that he almost did that again today, but Sinner’s returning was out of this world.

Sinner is not talking about it but either he or Darren Cahill have discovered a “tell” that Djokovic has on serve because Sinner was reading it like a book all match.
 
Rafa4GOAT said:
To me it seemed like everyone and their mothers was hyping Sinner up to win the whole thing.

On second thought maybe that was just all dking
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I 100% shrugged it off like he wasn't, but I didn't imagine Djokovic laying a goose egg in a semi on Laver Arena. I bought into the Djokovic AO hype too much and forgot it has been a long time since he had to overcome a great player there.
 
I think it was more so Djokovic playing badly because Sinner made it look easy. He wasn't necessarily playing amazing but tactically he played perfectly.

He was mostly just hitting up the middle, staying patient, using his wheels to extend the points and not giving Djokovic any angles to work with, which is the exact opposite of what he tried to do at Wimbledon last year where he pulled the trigger on everything.
 
If I had to be perfectly honest, I’d lean more towards the latter. Djokovic was god awful the first two sets, I mean really terrible, could barely keep a ball in play, had no composure, couldn’t find a return to save his life. The UE count was in the 50s.

Sinner was very good and I’m overjoyed that he won, but the story for me will be how bad Djokovic was. That’s the more surprising of the two performances, for sure. That said, I think Sinner played at a level that would’ve been very difficult for Djokovic to handle in any form.
 
Subway Tennis said:
The one constant in the match was Sinner’s level imo.

At different stages of the match Djokovic’s level was down (which helped Sinner) and then at other stages his level was up but Sinner always had an answer.

The biggest thing for me is that Djokovic is so good at parachuting out of trouble with his serve, and there were so many times that he almost did that again today, but Sinner’s returning was out of this world.

Sinner is not talking about it but either he or Darren Cahill have discovered a “tell” that Djokovic has on serve because Sinner was reading it like a book all match.
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the turning point is sinner won the point of dropshot and five consecutive points to break djoker
no way back for djoker since then
 
Kralingen said:
If I had to be perfectly honest, I’d lean more towards the latter. Djokovic was god awful the first two sets, I mean really terrible, could barely keep a ball in play, had no composure, couldn’t find a return to save his life.

Sinner was very good and I’m overjoyed that he won, but the story for me will be how bad Djokovic was. That’s the more surprising of the two performances, for sure.
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If I was in Charlotte, I’d go to cookout and get a chili dog, bbq sandwich, and banana pudding milkshake :D
 
darthrafa said:
the turning point is sinner won the point of dropshot and five consecutive points to break djoker
no way back for djoker since then
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Agree. How the hell did he get to that dropshot? One of those turning point moments in his career that he will remember for ever.
 
weakera said:
What was the more necessary element of the match outcome, the elevation of Sinner's game or the struggles of Djokovic?

I see a lot of well deserved congratulations for Sinner but it sounds like he was barely facing an opponent in the first two sets.

Would he have overcome a well-playing Djokovic today?
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Was the same when he lost to Djoker at W, no?

Djoker made a career out of comebacks. Why asterisk Sinners win now?
 
weakera said:
I 100% shrugged it off like he wasn't, but I didn't imagine Djokovic laying a goose egg in a semi on Laver Arena. I bought into the Djokovic AO hype too much and forgot it has been a long time since he had to overcome a great player there.
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I’ve been a Sinner hype man at this AO, but I don’t think it was off-base for you to think Djokovic was a good chance in this. He has the runs on the board in past performances, and physically this is the best he has looked at AO since 2019 imo.
 
weakera said:
I 100% shrugged it off like he wasn't, but I didn't imagine Djokovic laying a goose egg in a semi on Laver Arena. I bought into the Djokovic AO hype too much and forgot it has been a long time since he had to overcome a great player there.
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Sinner is a great player, not a weak era????

Or is it anytime Novak loses then the era is strong, but if he wins they’re weak again

I can tell you’re definitely not burdened by any deep thoughts :-D

Congrats to Sinner and congrats to the haters as well
 
jackson vile said:
Sinner is a great player, not a weak era????

Or is it anytime Novak loses then the era is strong, but if he wins they’re weak again

I can tell you’re definitely not burdened by any deep thoughts :-D

Congrats to Sinner and congrats to the haters as well
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Great is a relative term, obviously Sinner is nowhere near (not within 20 miles of) a great playing big three. But in the context of the modern Australian Open, tell me, when is the last time Djokovic faced an opponent playing as well as Sinner today? You would have to go back to the Thiem final which featured plenty of choking from Thiem despite his high level.

So in some sense, yes, it has been a long time since Djokovic has faced a moderate challenge at AO. Tommy Paul, Karatsev and Wheelchair Fed are laughable slam semi opponents.
 
Subway Tennis said:
What is the Banana Pudding milkshake? Do you drink it or more like a dessert? Is it healthy?
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Its pretty thick, has real bananas, wafer pieces etc. Its so good it’s ridiculous. Cookout has a ton of milkshakes, but the BP has my heart.

shakes.jpg
 
weakera said:
Great is a relative term, obviously Sinner is nowhere near (not within 20 miles of) a great playing big three. But in the context of the modern Australian Open, tell me, when is the last time Djokovic faced an opponent playing as well as Sinner today? You would have to go back to the Thiem final which featured plenty of choking from Thiem despite his high level.

So in some sense, yes, it has been a long time since Djokovic has faced a moderate challenge at AO. Tommy Paul, Karatsev and Wheelchair Fed are laughable slam semi opponents.
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Haters back tracking and double speaking as usual :-D , I’m not surprised! SMH
 
darthrafa said:
given that in majority of matches, players against djoker lost them, it can be regarded as sinner won it by dealing with the pressure, esp at AO against djoker
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There wasn't a lot of pressure since Djokovic was playimg way worse than we've seen at a slam than any last year... extremely bad tournament for him struggling with low ranked players too
 
Aestheticsaboveallelse said:
There wasn't a lot of pressure since Djokovic was playimg way worse than we've seen at a slam than any last year... extremely bad tournament for him struggling with low ranked players too
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the pressure does not come from djoker
it comes from any self mistakes would make him lose the match
it also comes from whether he can win the 5th set, if any, given his lack of experience
it comes from everywhere
 
Subway Tennis said:
@weakera what are your thoughts on the final? Who do you think Sinner’s opponent will be and what is your expectation of the level?
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Hard to say, I was wrong about Alcaraz and I was wrong about Djokovic's level maintaining from previous years. So I am 0-2. With that being said, I would say Zverev will win if he serves really well. Medvedev actually lost in total points to Hurkacz and lost by a lot in receiving points. Zverev is better and he is less likely to choke against a rival from his gen than a big three. And then I would say Sinner is in the drivers seat in the Final no matter who the opponent is.
 
jackson vile said:
Sinner is a great player, not a weak era????

Or is it anytime Novak loses then the era is strong, but if he wins they’re weak again

I can tell you’re definitely not burdened by any deep thoughts :-D

Congrats to Sinner and congrats to the haters as well
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Your analysis is flawed.

The era is still weak in general. That Djokovic played a semi considering his level all tournament proves that beyond doubt. Objective fact.

Sinner is a break spot in a meh cohort at the moment. That Djok lost in that way at the AO of all places will be a psychological boost for all top 10 players. Any aura he still had is crumbling fast.
 
Guys you probably know how i hated Sinner, but this time, for the first time in my life i am geniuenly impressed by Sinner. Congrats for this performance. Absolutely amazing display. Sinner totally deserved this win, he played amazing. Finally he is showing signs of greatness at BO5, not only at BO3 :)
 
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That's two consecutive years where Novak has lost in his favorite slams to two players of a different calibre than Ruud, Berrettini, NK and Tsitsipas. And father time is undefeated. Novak has a good shot at Wimbledon this year. But that's about it.
 
Krish0608 said:
That's two consecutive years where Novak has lost in his favorite slams to two players of a different calibre than Ruud, Berrettini, NK and Tsitsipas. And father time is undefeated. Novak has a good shot at Wimbledon this year. But that's about it.
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I agree.
Last chance for Djokovic to play the 7 matches of a Major tournament.
Afterwards, he will be very vulnerable on the hard court against this young crop of players.
:)
 
Djokovic actually won most of the longer rallies but he could just not get into Sinner's service game tonight. It is no surprise that he needed a well-played tie to break Sinners dominance.

So after a bit of analysis I'm convinced that Novak could do really well still in 2024. His margins is thinner than in the past which makes matches much more dicey, but I would not be surprised to see him winning a slam or a gold medal or even more.
 
Rovesciarete said:
Djokovic actually won most of the longer rallies but he could just not get into Sinner's service game tonight. It is no surprise that he needed a well-played tie to break Sinners dominance.

So after a bit of analysis I'm convinced that Novak could do really well still in 2024. His margins is thinner than in the past which makes matches much more dicey, but I would not be surprised to see him winning a slam or a gold medal or even more.
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It's not just about the level. These losses plant doubts in your head that could make him tentative in the tight moments. Happens to everybody. Novak is only human and is no spring chicken.
 
Krish0608 said:
That's two consecutive years where Novak has lost in his favorite slams to two players of a different calibre than Ruud, Berrettini, NK and Tsitsipas. And father time is undefeated. Novak has a good shot at Wimbledon this year. But that's about it.
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Well to be fair, Novak did beat Sinner in consecutive years at Wimbledon, and Alcaraz at RG
 
given djoker's dominance in recent years, he fully believes that it may be just a bad day among so many (which can be reflected from his interview just now)
but if he played badly again in fo, it would hit him hard
 
Federer remains the oldest tennis player to win a Major tournament in the Open era with 128 participants.
Djokovic in this edition of the 2024 Australian Open had the opportunity to overcome it but age weighs heavily as these athletes approach 40s.
8-B
 
Tennis_Freak99 said:
Well to be fair, Novak did beat Sinner in consecutive years at Wimbledon, and Alcaraz at RG
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Sinner's not the same player. Last year, he lost to Tsitsipas and Altmaier in slams as well. It's very very obvious that he has hit another level since the indoor season last year. Won 3 out of the last 4 matches against Novak now. He's a different beast now. With respect to Novak beating Crampcaraz at RG, there couldn't have been a more luckier break for Novak.
 
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