Did the Davis Cup tie against the U.S. in 1987 wreck Becker for the rest of the year (and maybe more)?

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Legend
In 1986, Becker won Wimbledon for the second year in a row, this time with a much more dominant performance. He followed up on this by bettering his fourth round result at the 1985 U.S. Open, this time making the semifinal and losing a close five setter to Mečíř. Then, after a loss in Hamburg, Becker reeled off 19 straight wins, taking the titles in Sydney, Tokyo, and Paris before making the Masters final and losing to Lendl. By the end of the year, he was firmly ensconced as the second best player in the world.

Early 1987 featured Becker's first title at Indian Wells, followed soon thereafter by a win in Milan. At the French Open, Becker reached the semifinals for the first time before turning to grass and winning Queen's Club. After that, there was the shock loss at Wimbledon to Doohan in the second round. On the one hand, you could say that this match showed that Becker was already starting to enter a semi-slump. On the other hand, you could say this was simply a fluke.

In any event, after Wimbledon, West Germany and Becker played a Davis Cup tie against the United States in Hartford, Connecticut. On the first day, Becker beat McEnroe in maybe the greatest Davis Cup match in history, 4-6, 15-13, 8-10, 6-2, 6-2. The match lasted six hours and twenty-one minutes. Two days later, with the tie in the balance, Becker had to play Mayotte in the decisive rubber. Becker started off well enough, winning the first two sets, 6-2, 6-3. But, in the third set, the crowd and McEnroe (who tossed a ball at Becker) got to the German, helping Mayotte fight back to win the next two sets, 7-5, 6-4. In the final set, both players seemed visibly tired (Mayotte himself has played a five setter a couple days ago). But Becker dug deeper, taking the tie a the final set, triumphantly throwing his racquet into the stands and striking an elderly woman.

The question I ask is what toll this took on Boris. After the Davis Cup tie in 1987, he:

-lost to Gilbert in D.C., with a bagel in the third set;​
-got smoked by Edberg back-to-back in Canada in Cincinnati;​
-blew a two set lead to Gilbert at the U.S. Open;​
-lost to Cash in Sydney;​
-retired down 3-0 in the third set to "Boba" Živojinović in Tokyo;​
-failed to make the Masters SF after again losing to Gilbert (the only year he didn't make the SF other than 1991, when he still went 2-1 in the RR stage).​

Even after this, 1988 was just an okay year for Becker until he hit another gear to win the Masters, setting up his two Major year in 1989.

So my question is whether you think that 1987 Davis Cup tie had lingering effects for a year or more for Becker. I can't even imagine playing six hours and twenty-one minutes and then having to come back two days later and play an emotionally and physically draining five setter, especially in Davis Cup, which Boris took so seriously. Was Becker going to play poorly for the rest of the year regardless, or did those two matches take too much out of him, lowering his level for the rest of the year and maybe even into 1988?
 
If you are asking about potential effects in the long term, troughout his career, i would rule this out. Becker was a very early bloomer and i feel like he was never going to have a ton of longevity, which is something often times seen with these guys.
 
If you are asking about potential effects in the long term, troughout his career, i would rule this out. Becker was a very early bloomer and i feel like he was never going to have a ton of longevity, which is something often times seen with these guys.
No, I'm not saying long term effects, just short term effects for the rest of 1987 and possibly into some of 1988.
 
His loss against Doohan messed with his 1987 season and career much more than the DC.

IMO he would have won 5-7 Wimbledons without the Doohan upset.
 
His loss against Doohan messed with his 1987 season and career much more than the DC.

IMO he would have won 5-7 Wimbledons without the Doohan upset.

Do you really think the Doohan loss affected him that badly? After all, he made the finals of the next 4 Wimbledons! True, he won only 1 of them but in the other 3 he was just outplayed on the day by Edberg and fellow countryman, Stich.
 
Don't think the Doohan loss or the Davis Cup match affected his future play at all in the long term. At most, he might have been tired after the Davis Cup and could have been tired if he had a tournament immediately following. Not sure if he even did.
Btw- If I remember correctly, this was not even a regular Davis Cup tie. both teams had already lost in the first round. The loser of the tie would not be eligible for the " word Group" (or whatever they called it) the next year. i.e the winning team could win the Cup in 1988, but the losing team could not.

I always remember something about that Davis Cup match against McEnroe. I remember watching the first set. They just started the 2nd set and I left to go to a movie with some friends. When I got back, I turned on the TV to see if the match was over yet or not. They were still in the same set!
 
I always remember something about that Davis Cup match against McEnroe. I remember watching the first set. They just started the 2nd set and I left to go to a movie with some friends. When I got back, I turned on the TV to see if the match was over yet or not. They were still in the same set!
The Davis Cup didn't have any tiebreaks at all until 1989, in any set. So Becker beat McEnroe in their 1987 Davis Cup tie by the score of 4-6, 15-13, 8-10, 6-2, 6-2. The match lasted 6 hours and 20 minutes.
 
No effect. DC was a high point in an otherwise uneven year. I think it was more inconsistency at coaching with breakup with Bosch early in year then working with Tiriac and others most of the year. Finally got settled with Bob Brett by end of 1987, which led to good run from 88-91.
 
No effect. DC was a high point in an otherwise uneven year. I think it was more inconsistency at coaching with breakup with Bosch early in year then working with Tiriac and others most of the year. Finally got settled with Bob Brett by end of 1987, which led to good run from 88-91.
The DC thing IMO had no effect, but the same cannot be said with the Doohan loss.
Do you really think the Doohan loss affected him that badly? After all, he made the finals of the next 4 Wimbledons! True, he won only 1 of them but in the other 3 he was just outplayed on the day by Edberg and fellow countryman, Stich.
IMO, the impact was largely psychological/mental.

It did impact his 1988 run. Becker IRL did share that he had some motivational issue after beating Cash and Lendl to reach the final.

As for long-term impact? Well, if Becker entered the 1990/1991 final as a five-time defending champion, his opponents would have been much more pressured - I mean, the same way many upstarters feel when facing the Big 3 in major finals for the first time.
 
So if Becker beats Doohan in 1987, not only would he have won the tournament in 1987, he would have won it 1988 and 1990 as well? Find that very hard to believe. And then maybe more because the other players would have felt more pressured? That seems like quite a reach.
 
The DC thing IMO had no effect, but the same cannot be said with the Doohan loss.

IMO, the impact was largely psychological/mental.
I will cut BB some slack on the Doohan loss. He did make 6 finals in 7 years and 9 SFs in 11 years. Just a bad day at the office against one of those Aussie grass court specialists.
 
Cash vs. Becker in the 1987 Wimbledon semi final would have been interesting. It would have been a very different dynamic to what their 1988 Wimbledon quarter final was.

1988 was basically Becker thinking "I'm not Wimbledon champion anymore, and that annoys me. Cash has my title, and I will beat him". 1987 would have been more pressure on Becker, and Cash was playing at peak level at the time.
 
Cash vs. Becker in the 1987 Wimbledon semi final would have been interesting. It would have been a very different dynamic to what their 1988 Wimbledon quarter final was.

1988 was basically Becker thinking "I'm not Wimbledon champion anymore, and that annoys me. Cash has my title, and I will beat him". 1987 would have been more pressure on Becker, and Cash was playing at peak level at the time.
Becker OTOH would have asked very different questions than Cash’s IRL 2nd week opponents (all of whom were natural baseliners).

Plus Becker vs Connors in QF. The question mark is whether Becker would play better, worse or about the same as their Queens final match if he gets to QF. The good news for Becker is that Connors peaked too early in the grass season and clearly was not as in-form as at Queens (like Lendl 1990).
 
In 1986, Becker won Wimbledon for the second year in a row, this time with a much more dominant performance. He followed up on this by bettering his fourth round result at the 1985 U.S. Open, this time making the semifinal and losing a close five setter to Mečíř. Then, after a loss in Hamburg, Becker reeled off 19 straight wins, taking the titles in Sydney, Tokyo, and Paris before making the Masters final and losing to Lendl. By the end of the year, he was firmly ensconced as the second best player in the world.

Early 1987 featured Becker's first title at Indian Wells, followed soon thereafter by a win in Milan. At the French Open, Becker reached the semifinals for the first time before turning to grass and winning Queen's Club. After that, there was the shock loss at Wimbledon to Doohan in the second round. On the one hand, you could say that this match showed that Becker was already starting to enter a semi-slump. On the other hand, you could say this was simply a fluke.

In any event, after Wimbledon, West Germany and Becker played a Davis Cup tie against the United States in Hartford, Connecticut. On the first day, Becker beat McEnroe in maybe the greatest Davis Cup match in history, 4-6, 15-13, 8-10, 6-2, 6-2. The match lasted six hours and twenty-one minutes. Two days later, with the tie in the balance, Becker had to play Mayotte in the decisive rubber. Becker started off well enough, winning the first two sets, 6-2, 6-3. But, in the third set, the crowd and McEnroe (who tossed a ball at Becker) got to the German, helping Mayotte fight back to win the next two sets, 7-5, 6-4. In the final set, both players seemed visibly tired (Mayotte himself has played a five setter a couple days ago). But Becker dug deeper, taking the tie a the final set, triumphantly throwing his racquet into the stands and striking an elderly woman.

The question I ask is what toll this took on Boris. After the Davis Cup tie in 1987, he:

-lost to Gilbert in D.C., with a bagel in the third set;​
-got smoked by Edberg back-to-back in Canada in Cincinnati;​
-blew a two set lead to Gilbert at the U.S. Open;​
-lost to Cash in Sydney;​
-retired down 3-0 in the third set to "Boba" Živojinović in Tokyo;​
-failed to make the Masters SF after again losing to Gilbert (the only year he didn't make the SF other than 1991, when he still went 2-1 in the RR stage).​

Even after this, 1988 was just an okay year for Becker until he hit another gear to win the Masters, setting up his two Major year in 1989.

So my question is whether you think that 1987 Davis Cup tie had lingering effects for a year or more for Becker. I can't even imagine playing six hours and twenty-one minutes and then having to come back two days later and play an emotionally and physically draining five setter, especially in Davis Cup, which Boris took so seriously. Was Becker going to play poorly for the rest of the year regardless, or did those two matches take too much out of him, lowering his level for the rest of the year and maybe even into 1988?
no he was just too busy bonking
 
Very interesting here. I might be 'the Becker Fan' on this forum, but also his sharpest critique! 1987 was a very interesting season for Boris. Very much a coming of age season. I saw all the matches talked about here.
Boris had lost his teenage sensation status, but also was only 19yrs old (!). He was experimenting with his play. Ie mich more baseline oriented, which resulted in his first rgsf straight setting Connors, losing to Wilander after a break point for a double break lead in the first set.
Queens he dominated with power, but was already on the brink of defeat vs Connors/Mayotte. He had beaten Doohan in that tourney!
The Wimbledon shock loss was a result of Becker playing stubborn, which is quite normal for a teenager and on of many times that his opponent playing the Match of his life. Just like Leconte (88), Agassi multiple times, Reneberg (94), Ivanisevic (90), Edberg (RG 89) Haarhuis (91) ao.
The DC was a display of sheer willpower, but poor tactics in my eyes. McEnroe and Mayotte could rush the net much too often, Becker staying back trying to beat them in Lendl fashion. What worked vs Mac, Mayotte, Connors or Jarryd didnt work vs Edberg, Cash and Gilbert. 87 was the only year, when Edberg really dominated Becker.
For the rest of the year Becker seemed tired, with no motivation.
So theres truth in the thesis, combined with the baseline tactics it resulted in the first Becker slump.
In 88 Boris returned fresh and Brett gave him a better rounded more net oriented allcourt tactics. Becker could beat Edberg, Lendl or Cash for a good season.
 
Very interesting here. I might be 'the Becker Fan' on this forum, but also his sharpest critique! 1987 was a very interesting season for Boris. Very much a coming of age season. I saw all the matches talked about here.
Boris had lost his teenage sensation status, but also was only 19yrs old (!). He was experimenting with his play. Ie mich more baseline oriented, which resulted in his first rgsf straight setting Connors, losing to Wilander after a break point for a double break lead in the first set.
Queens he dominated with power, but was already on the brink of defeat vs Connors/Mayotte. He had beaten Doohan in that tourney!
The Wimbledon shock loss was a result of Becker playing stubborn, which is quite normal for a teenager and on of many times that his opponent playing the Match of his life. Just like Leconte (88), Agassi multiple times, Reneberg (94), Ivanisevic (90), Edberg (RG 89) Haarhuis (91) ao.
The DC was a display of sheer willpower, but poor tactics in my eyes. McEnroe and Mayotte could rush the net much too often, Becker staying back trying to beat them in Lendl fashion. What worked vs Mac, Mayotte, Connors or Jarryd didnt work vs Edberg, Cash and Gilbert. 87 was the only year, when Edberg really dominated Becker.
For the rest of the year Becker seemed tired, with no motivation.
So theres truth in the thesis, combined with the baseline tactics it resulted in the first Becker slump.
In 88 Boris returned fresh and Brett gave him a better rounded more net oriented allcourt tactics. Becker could beat Edberg, Lendl or Cash for a good season.
Thanks for all the great insights!
 
Very interesting here. I might be 'the Becker Fan' on this forum, but also his sharpest critique! 1987 was a very interesting season for Boris. Very much a coming of age season. I saw all the matches talked about here.
Boris had lost his teenage sensation status, but also was only 19yrs old (!). He was experimenting with his play. Ie mich more baseline oriented, which resulted in his first rgsf straight setting Connors, losing to Wilander after a break point for a double break lead in the first set.
Queens he dominated with power, but was already on the brink of defeat vs Connors/Mayotte. He had beaten Doohan in that tourney!
The Wimbledon shock loss was a result of Becker playing stubborn, which is quite normal for a teenager and on of many times that his opponent playing the Match of his life. Just like Leconte (88), Agassi multiple times, Reneberg (94), Ivanisevic (90), Edberg (RG 89) Haarhuis (91) ao.
The DC was a display of sheer willpower, but poor tactics in my eyes. McEnroe and Mayotte could rush the net much too often, Becker staying back trying to beat them in Lendl fashion. What worked vs Mac, Mayotte, Connors or Jarryd didnt work vs Edberg, Cash and Gilbert. 87 was the only year, when Edberg really dominated Becker.
For the rest of the year Becker seemed tired, with no motivation.
So theres truth in the thesis, combined with the baseline tactics it resulted in the first Becker slump.
In 88 Boris returned fresh and Brett gave him a better rounded more net oriented allcourt tactics. Becker could beat Edberg, Lendl or Cash for a good season.
I would have loved to see 1980s Becker playing his own 1995-1996 game plan: serve big (I mean, truly big, trying to serve every serve as an ace), charging to the net most of the time and no more ****ing around from the baseline, with baseline tennis only playing a secondary role. IMO he would have won 3-4 more Slams playing like that.
 
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