nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Lol untrue
Raz has many a times said he is not as good as djokovic.
Sinner has said in the past he is not as Good as djokovic raz
Since when is telling the truth a defeatist attitude
Did the ship finally sail on Zverev?
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Raz has many a times said he is not as good as djokovic.
Sinner has said in the past he is not as Good as djokovic raz
Since when is telling the truth a defeatist attitude
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
The best opportunity for Zverev could have been the 2022 US Open without the injury in the 2022 Paris semifinal against Nadal.
Without Djokovic, with a Medvedev still in an existential crisis after the disappointment of the Australian Open final, a Nadal increasingly tormented by physical problems, that was the slam with the lowest level at least in the last 10 years.
It is no coincidence that it was won by a teenager Alcaraz who subsequently demonstrated serious limitations on hard.
Without Djokovic, with a Medvedev still in an existential crisis after the disappointment of the Australian Open final, a Nadal increasingly tormented by physical problems, that was the slam with the lowest level at least in the last 10 years.
It is no coincidence that it was won by a teenager Alcaraz who subsequently demonstrated serious limitations on hard.
Daniel Andrade
Legend
Unfortunately it hasn't sailed.
And please don't let it happen.
And please don't let it happen.
NYTennisfan
Hall of Fame
Show me examples. Maybe they said they weren't as good in that particular match but they never said that the opponent is better at everything else. No great player would ever admit that out loud and even if they thought it, they'd work really hard at improving those weaknesses. A true competitor of the highest order will never admit that they just aren't good enough.
You can deny it all you want but it's pretty clear that Zverev lacks the drive and competitiveness of the very top players.
Zverev is a great player by any standard (and contrary to what some people say here, he's well-spoken and humble in his press conferences and interviews ). He's clearly a hard worker as his fitness shows, and he did well to recover to from after a pretty nasty injury. He also seems like he's well-liked among his peers.
The allegations have been a dark cloud over him, and I generally believe women as a rule, but he seems to be moving forward in the sense he's competing well. I think some fans have been willing to give him a second chance, though I'm still personally troubled from what I've read about the allegations.
All that aside, it seems like his forehand is an issue. His backhand has always been great and his serve has gotten so much better, but his forehand doesn't have the consistent sting of an Alcaraz or Djokovic, and that hurts him. He obviously doesn't have great hands, but I feel like he could get over the finish line without that attribute. Mentally? There have been some letdowns as in the U.S. Open Final, but I'm a believer that by and large, players are limited by their physical games. There were a lot of posters here who harped about how Murray needed to be more aggressive during his last years and not grind, as if he could just magically start ripping winners like Federer! It's not that easy....I think if Zverev keeps working and competing, he could win a slam with the right draw. He has to keep putting himself in that position. Maybe work with Federer for a couple of weeks. The return game has got to become a bit more aggressive.
The allegations have been a dark cloud over him, and I generally believe women as a rule, but he seems to be moving forward in the sense he's competing well. I think some fans have been willing to give him a second chance, though I'm still personally troubled from what I've read about the allegations.
All that aside, it seems like his forehand is an issue. His backhand has always been great and his serve has gotten so much better, but his forehand doesn't have the consistent sting of an Alcaraz or Djokovic, and that hurts him. He obviously doesn't have great hands, but I feel like he could get over the finish line without that attribute. Mentally? There have been some letdowns as in the U.S. Open Final, but I'm a believer that by and large, players are limited by their physical games. There were a lot of posters here who harped about how Murray needed to be more aggressive during his last years and not grind, as if he could just magically start ripping winners like Federer! It's not that easy....I think if Zverev keeps working and competing, he could win a slam with the right draw. He has to keep putting himself in that position. Maybe work with Federer for a couple of weeks. The return game has got to become a bit more aggressive.
kangaroo1973
Hall of Fame
Lets be honest. He has every tool to win a slam and ship has not sailed on him yet. I think that his best shot is in France on clay, he has proven that he can challenge almost anyone on clay, where players like Sinner ( their strenghts) are mitigated to a certain extent. I think that Zed will snatch a FO in a nearby future, provided he wont choke. As always
kangaroo1973
Hall of Fame
Jeez I wanna be a clown like Tiafoe. Would retire after 10 years on tour, worth tens of millions of dollars and spending rest of my life traveling and banging beautiful women in Bahamas
kangaroo1973
Hall of Fame
Id prefer Hurkacz s serve over Zeds
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
Stats wise I think Zod's is way more dangerous
kangaroo1973
Hall of Fame
Hurkacz s serve is far more accurate imo. Zed s is less accurate but more consistent with higher in %
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
He better win
DSH
Bionic Poster
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
He's playing the best tennis of his life right now and he has become tougher mentally as well. Staying at no. 2 and playing more finals will give him more confidence in himself, which might be exactly what he needs. He should believe he can beat anyone and win slams first. I'm sure if he stay at this level and ranking for another 6 months, that belief will be concrete and may bring him a slam or two. He probably has about 3 years of peak from now, so I hope he wins some in that time.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
There's no point in hiding your head in the sand.
One might wonder why Zverev only burst into tears yesterday and not on the previous two occasions when he lost the other two slam finals.
Well the reason is very simple, because yesterday he finally understood that his chances of winning a slam have drastically reduced.
He understood firsthand how much of a gap there is between him and Sinner.
The problem is that between the two the younger one is Sinner.
Zverev has already reached his peak and now he can only maintain it at most, while Sinner can still have margins.
Then I agree that on clay the difference between the two is reduced compared to hard, but reducing it does not necessarily mean that it is reversed.
Apart from the fact that on clay the current reference player of the circuit on the surface also comes into play, which is Alcaraz, so double stumbling block for the German.
Last year Sinner, net of hip problems, already had a higher level than Zverev on clay.
Obviously in tennis there is no transitive property, the fact remains that both in Monte Carlo and in Paris, Sinner put the future winners of the respective tournaments (Tsitsipas and Alcaraz) in much more difficulty than Zverev did.
But above all the history between the two even in the period in which Sinner was not yet the player he is today, tells us that the Italian suffered the matchup with Zverev more on hard than on clay.
On clay against Zverev he boasts a clear victory at the Roland Garros autumn version 2020 (even if the German had the flu), but also a thrilling match lost by the Italian only in the tiebreak of the third decisive set in Monte Carlo 2022.
Sinner is too big an obstacle for Zverev, he knows it, Sinner knows it, I know it, you know it, and everyone knows it except those who try to convince themselves that it is not so.
And there was no need for yesterday's demolition which was a normal consequence of the current trend.
1H-Backhand
Rookie
By the law of averages, if he keeps getting to finals (which he probably will, especially if he stays top 4) he might just do it...
Musterrific
Hall of Fame
After RG last year, Zverev had one of the GOATS, Federer, call him out for playing too passively in big matches, and he still didn't learn and make the adjustment. That tells me all I need to know about his future prospects.
Mark-Touch
G.O.A.T.
I don't know how anyone can feel sorry for a guy who is 5th on the all-time prize money
list with$50M. Combine that with endorsements and his earnings will be well over $100M.
Whether he ever wins an ATP slam or not, love him or hate him, he has already established himself as a very 'decent' player.
And let's never forget he has won a slam already. The 2014 A.O. Juniors title.
I won't be shedding any tears for Zed and I don't think he'll have too many sleepless nights worrying about it.
He's a very level-headed guy and knows his place in history.
list with$50M. Combine that with endorsements and his earnings will be well over $100M.
Whether he ever wins an ATP slam or not, love him or hate him, he has already established himself as a very 'decent' player.
And let's never forget he has won a slam already. The 2014 A.O. Juniors title.
I won't be shedding any tears for Zed and I don't think he'll have too many sleepless nights worrying about it.
He's a very level-headed guy and knows his place in history.
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, I think it has.
Sure, he still has a shot at this year's RG, but getting over the hump gets harder after repeated failures, not easier.
Sure, he still has a shot at this year's RG, but getting over the hump gets harder after repeated failures, not easier.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
agreedI don't know how anyone can feel sorry for a guy who is 5th on the all-time prize money
list with$50M. Combine that with endorsements and his earnings will be well over $100M.
Whether he ever wins an ATP slam or not, love him or hate him, he has already established himself as a very 'decent' player.
And let's never forget he has won a slam already. The 2014 A.O. Juniors title.
I won't be shedding any tears for Zed and I don't think he'll have too many sleepless nights worrying about it.
He's a very level-headed guy and knows his place in history.
Passive game
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
I guess he will have a chance at RG. It’s his best chance probably. Unless sinner and djoker play of course
It's also just such a funny comment overall, brother you are not serving better than him when you're 15% behind on first-serve point wins even with twice as many aces. I know the stats say otherwise but I don't think Zverev is really that great a server.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
While I do agree Sincaraz will generally win in the encounters they will have with Zverev in the future, I also cannot rule out the possibility that Zverev may take odd one or two wins. Zverev has the game to trouble anyone on his day, it's just how he can put everything together and get the most out of it. I'm sure he'll win one or two slams before he calls it quits.
About the crying, I think Zverev knew he was not quite there yet in the previous times, but this time he believed he might have a chance and thus losing hurt him more. He thought he was ready but Sinner beat him easily, so he seemed very disappointed. He said it himself very clearly: "I am just not good enough", that's what he said during the ceremony.
B
Bride of Alcaraz
Guest
Sinner will never have the physicality or variety to match Alcaraz in best-of-5-sets.
And once the new stars develop, Sinner will be DONE winning slams, because all he's got is hardcourts, and the up-and-comers are mostly hardcourters...
Meanwhile Alcaraz cruises to 10 Wimbledon titles and whole lot of French Opens too!
We're probably about 3 or 4 years away from Alcaraz fully learning how to play on grass.
Sephiroth
Hall of Fame
Ship never even docked.
Lmao what a response
Fabresque
Legend
If Djok didn’t have an injury he would’ve beaten Z in the semifinals. Zverev was playing uber-passive vs Nole when he should’ve been kicking him to the curb, he let one legged Novak nearly take a set off him.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Alexander Zverev:
“I don't want to end my career as the best player of all time to never win a Grand Slam, that's for sure. I'll keep doing everything I can to lift one of those trophies.”
Is he overestimating himself? Is he correct?
Is Zverev even the “best player of all time” to never win a slam? Hmmm.
Rios?
Mecir?
Tom Okker?
Others?
“I don't want to end my career as the best player of all time to never win a Grand Slam, that's for sure. I'll keep doing everything I can to lift one of those trophies.”
Is he overestimating himself? Is he correct?
Is Zverev even the “best player of all time” to never win a slam? Hmmm.
Rios?
Mecir?
Tom Okker?
Others?
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
He's the most accomplished
yourtennisfit
Professional
He was in three finals, beat every player of the top 3
He has an Olympic gold metal and many Masters titles to his name + ATP finals
easily a valid claim, even at 27
Fabresque
Legend
He’s got a point, he’s very successful outside the slams.
23 titles, 7 Masters 1000’s, 2 ATP Final wins, Olympic Singles Gold, and over $50m in prize money which is 5th all-time. His resume is brick solid.
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