Did you play no ad in sectionals?

[J011yroger]

Eastern did no ad this year for apparently no reason.

Weather was fine, plenty of courts.

We asked what their thought process was and they said they had to be homogeneous with all the other sections.

Is nationals no ad?

J

 

[atatu]

I only did sectionals in mixed, and it was regular scoring.

 

[schmke]

I just played a Mixed Sectionals and we played it out. Last year at 40++ Adult Sectionals we played it out too, and last year at Nationals we did as well. Only in the regular season and local playoffs did we play no-ad.

 

[nyta2]

Eastern did no ad this year for apparently no reason.

Weather was fine, plenty of courts.

We asked what their thought process was and they said "i'm not paid enough to stay longer"

Is nationals no ad?

J

FTFY

 

[Lord Of The Strings]

Played regular scoring at Spring/Mixed Sectionals, but did no-ad for Combo Sectionals. All Southern Section.

 

[am1899]

Eastern did no ad this year for apparently no reason.

Weather was fine, plenty of courts.

We asked what their thought process was and they said they had to be homogeneous with all the other sections.

Is nationals no ad?

J

Yup, drove 6 hours one way to 18+ 8.0M Eastern sectionals a couple weeks ago to play no ad. Perfect weather. What a joke.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Yup, drove 6 hours one way to 18+ 8.0M Eastern sectionals a couple weeks ago to play no ad. Perfect weather. What a joke.

Eastern did no ad this year for apparently no reason.

This is shocking to hear.
Assuming that this is the first year that No Ad scoring has been used for normal Male events. (Don't know nor care what happens at Mixed Events).
Playing the entire season with regular scoring and then switching to No Ad scoring in the post-season?!
No Ad scoring changes the entire dynamic.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

up next, Fast FOUR!

 

[am1899]

up next, Fast FOUR!

Yup.

 

[mpnv1990]

I just played a Mixed Sectionals and we played it out. Last year at 40++ Adult Sectionals we played it out too, and last year at Nationals we did as well. Only in the regular season and local playoffs did we play no-ad.

Districts and sections can play no-ad in national advancing leagues?

 

[drivophd]

NorCal will modify the sectionals format to no-ad or fast four if weather delays force their hand, otherwise standard scoring is used.

The only exception being that they will use fast four if the temperature is exceptionally hot.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

I just played a Mixed Sectionals and we played it out. Last year at 40++ Adult Sectionals we played it out too, and last year at Nationals we did as well. Only in the regular season and local playoffs did we play no-ad.

The OP claims that he played No Ad Eastern sectionals and was told by officials that other sectionals were also playing No Ad scoring.
So which is it? Regular scoring? Or No Ad scoring?
Can somebody set the record straight?

 

[Rattler]

The OP claims that he played No Ad Eastern sectionals and was told by officials that other sectionals were also playing No Ad scoring.
So which is it? Regular scoring? Or No Ad scoring?
Can somebody set the record straight?

Yeah the “official” who answered him thinks fast on their feet and gave a plausible response to make him go away.

In other words they were full of it

 

[HBK4life]

Mixed and men’s were regular scoring.

 

[McLovin]

Yup, drove 6 hours one way, in 6ft of snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, to 18+ 8.0M Eastern sectionals a couple weeks ago to play no ad. Perfect weather. What a joke.

Fixed it for you

 

[HBK4life]

I remember that nfl season where all the teams played 4 quarters but in the playoffs they played 5. And the field was lengthened by 386 yards. In the Super Bowl it was flag football 7 on 7. That was the year the USTA ran the nfl.

 

[J011yroger]

Should I complain to national?

I don't even know who to talk to.

J

 

[HBK4life]

Should I complain to national?

I don't even know who to talk to.

J

I’m sorry to say but your complaints will fall upon deaf ears. This is the organization that has allowed a game kids played in PE to gain ground on them.

 

[am1899]

Should I complain to national?

I don't even know who to talk to.

J

Waste of time IMO. National won’t do anything. And for the most part the people running Eastern are the worst.

 

[TennisOTM]

Wow I have never played any USTA match that required no ad scoring. Not even in meaningless non-rated local leagues where it could make sense to use it (like indoor season timed matches).

 

[tdhawks]

When we made Nationals a few years back in AZ it rained, go figure. We had to play 2 matches fast 4 with no ad to catch up on scheduling. It was awful.

 

[schmke]

Should I complain to national?

I don't even know who to talk to.

J

I don't think National has any real influence over how a section runs their leagues. Or at least the most National does is give guidelines or approved options for how scoring is done in leagues and each section can elect how they want to do it locally. Right or wrong, the USTA gives sections a fair amount of leeway, and no-ad scoring is a valid/approved scoring method.

 

[am1899]

When we made Nationals a few years back in AZ it rained, go figure. We had to play 2 matches fast 4 with no ad to catch up on scheduling. It was awful.

Same (although we were in Alabama, not AZ).

Some friends of mine actually played one fast four set, no ad scoring at nationals, for at least one of their matches. Granted it had rained for two days straight. But by the sounds of it the tournament had no indoor contingency plan, so they were scrambling to find indoor courts. Good times.

 

[travlerajm]

They don’t even play ad scoring or full third sets in atp tour doubles matches anymore, aside from slams.

And I haven’t played ad scoring in usta league, tourney, or sectional play in decades. This is simply the outlier holdouts catching up to the overall trend in tennis.

 

[schmke]

They don’t even play ad scoring or full third sets in atp tour doubles matches anymore, aside from slams.

And I haven’t played ad scoring in usta league, tourney, or sectional play in decades. This is simply the outlier holdouts catching up to the overall trend in tennis.

In some sections the norm is not no-ad like ours though. I believe PNW (and perhaps other northern sections) use of no-ad primarily due to using indoor courts with 75-90 minute court times and not wanting to have a lot of incomplete timed matches. Particularly in doubles, with no-ad, we generally complete our matches in the allotted time.

 

[J011yroger]

Waste of time IMO. National won’t do anything. And for the most part the people running Eastern are the worst.

Well asking them not to be schmucks hasn't worked out well for me in the past.

I'd like to know what they tell the officials that their job is also.

J

 

[Rattler]

Should I complain to national?

I don't even know who to talk to.

J

Theoretically you could complain to the Sectional Director for Competitive Tennis (don’t know if each section uses the same job titles).

It won‘t change anything, but maybe they’ll do better next year.

If!, and it’s a big IF, they remember.

Sorry my opinion of the USTA is pretty low at the moment

 

[am1899]

Well asking them not to be schmucks hasn't worked out well for me in the past.

I'd like to know what they tell the officials that their job is also.

J

Me neither.

Doubtful the tournament directors nor staff tell the referees anything. That’s on the head official assigned to the tournament.

 

[am1899]

Just as another example, albeit not scoring related...

Two years ago myself and the other captain were told 2 weeks before sectionals that the schedule was changed. Instead of playing 1 match Friday and 2 each on Saturday and Sunday, we were advised we would have to field for 1 match on Thursday, 2 Friday, and 2 Saturday (nothing on Sunday). When I asked my LLC for clarification, I was advised the schedule change was because of Yom Kippur. In my reply I asked if other sections were not playing that Sunday because of the holiday. No response. When I (politely) pointed out that Yom Kippur didn't actually start until sundown that Sunday, and that the late schedule change was risking our ability to participate in the tournament, essentially I was told to pound sand. We eventually did field, but we were very thin because of the schedule change. Of course, technically it's the same for everyone. But I would contend, why hold a tournament at all that weekend then? All I can guess is that someone scheduled it not realizing the holiday conflict. Once they realized the error of their ways it was too late to move the tournament to another weekend.

Unfortunately, IME all par for the course with Eastern and with USTA adult league in general. All the more reason I don't captain anymore, and I'm scaling back on playing, too.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

They don’t even play ad scoring or full third sets in atp tour doubles matches anymore, aside from slams.

And I haven’t played ad scoring in usta league, tourney, or sectional play in decades. This is simply the outlier holdouts catching up to the overall trend in tennis.

Gentle readers may not be aware that colleges play No Ad scoring.
No Ad scoring was officially adopted by the NCAA for all matches in 2016 to shorten match times and make college tennis more engaging for fans.

If it is working well for college tennis (have heard no complaints) it is something that the ATP will be looking into.

 

[mpnv1990]

I don't think National has any real influence over how a section runs their leagues. Or at least the most National does is give guidelines or approved options for how scoring is done in leagues and each section can elect how they want to do it locally. Right or wrong, the USTA gives sections a fair amount of leeway, and no-ad scoring is a valid/approved scoring method.

They don’t allow sections to mandate that D1 has to have at-level players, S1, etc.

 

[HBK4life]

I was not kind on the post sectionals survey. Like it matters. As useful as surveys employers ask their employees to fill out.

 

[am1899]

I was not kind on the post sectionals survey. Like it matters. As useful as surveys employers ask their employees to fill out.

Lol at least you received one. Eastern doesn’t even bother.

 

[am1899]

Gentle readers may not be aware that colleges play No Ad scoring.
No Ad scoring was officially adopted by the NCAA for all matches in 2016 to shorten match times and make college tennis more engaging for fans.

If it is working well for college tennis (have heard no complaints) it is something that the ATP will be looking into.

Yes. Thing is, at least collegiate tennis is consistent in that respect - it’s no ad all the time, not some of the time. USTA isn’t consistent with hardly anything - surface, scoring format, varying local rules, application of the rules, etc. Of course, collegiate tennis > league tennis. But IMHO USTA could do a better job with uniformity and consistency. (I won’t hold my breath).

 

[HBK4life]

USTA has given their pickleball equivalent the blueprint. Do everything we do the exact opposite.

 

[J011yroger]

Gentle readers may not be aware that colleges play No Ad scoring.
No Ad scoring was officially adopted by the NCAA for all matches in 2016 to shorten match times and make college tennis more engaging for fans.

If it is working well for college tennis (have heard no complaints) it is something that the ATP will be looking into.

At least they play singles and doubles.

If I played an 8 game pro set of dubs before my singles match it would make sense.

J

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

USTA isn’t consistent with hardly anything - surface, scoring format

If the USTA did not clearly publish the scoring format of Sectionals beforehand, it is an indication that they reserve the right to change the scoring format. There are dozens of teams traveling long distances for Sectionals. The USTA is often under severe time pressure to complete matches in a few days.

I would think twice about traveling to Sectionals (and possibly playing No Ad) after playing a full season with regular scoring.

 

[am1899]

If the USTA did not clearly publish the scoring format of Sectionals beforehand, it is an indication that they wish to reserve the right to change the scoring format. There are dozens of teams traveling long distances for Sectionals. The USTA is often under severe time pressure to complete matches in a few days.

USTA can reserve the right all they want. If there is a legitimate reason to shorten the format I take no issue. But I think we all know that on some level, “being homogeneous with other sections” is BS.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

USTA can reserve the right all they want. If there is a legitimate reason to shorten the format I take no issue. But I think we all know that on some level, “being homogeneous with other sections” is BS.

The "homogenous with other Sectionals" explanation makes no sense, but if the implication is that there was an illegitimate reason, what other reason would USTA Sectional officials have for shortening the format, aside from a legitimate reason such as scheduling?
These Sectional matches have no chair umpires and practically run themselves. Although there is typically a roving umpire.
Highly doubt that these Sectional officials care one way or the other about the scoring system used.
Are some suggesting corruption? e.g., pressure from some Team Captains to change the scoring format?

 

[J011yroger]

The "homogenous with other Sectionals" explanation makes no sense, but if the implication is that there was an illegitimate reason, what other reason would USTA Sectional officials have for shortening the format, aside from a legitimate reason such as scheduling?
These Sectional matches have no chair umpires and practically run themselves. Although there is typically a roving umpire.
Highly doubt that these Sectional officials care one way or the other about the scoring system used.
Are some suggesting corruption? e.g., pressure from some Team Captains to change the scoring format?

No, they just want to go home early.

J

 

[am1899]

No, they just want to go home early.

J

Correct.

 

[Moon Shooter]

******* sectionals were all regular ad games. Sounds like someone wanted to get the whole “sectional thing” wrapped up and go home.