Difference between Federer's era 04-07 and Djokovic's 2018-2021

[NoleIsBoat]

From every objective viewpoint these last 3 years have definitely been weaker than 03-07. And I would just say 2017-present. Because Novak, Murray, Wawrinka were largely absent in Fed & Rafa's resurgence.

This would be like if Pete, Rafter & Andre remained on tour and were winning all the Slams in 03-07. And guys like Roddick, Hewitt, Safin were only winning Masters.

You can put Hewitt, Safin, Roddick into 2018-2021 and they all win 0 slams with Djokovic blocking them at every turn.

 

[Thriller]

You can put Hewitt, Safin, Roddick into 2018-2021 and they all win 0 slams with Djokovic blocking them at every turn.

TBH with their 04 - 07 level, they would need to be having a very lucky week if Djokovic was their problem. I don't see any of that three taking sets off Berrettini, Rublev, Shapo, Alliassime, let alone old Nadal, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev or Djokovic.

 

[Sunny014]

Worst number 1 ever, became rank 1 by beating a weak 6 years ranked 1 champ in 98

 

[Thriller]

Worst number 1 ever, became rank 1 by beating a weak 6 years ranked 1 champ in 98

Didn't play the ATP Tour 04-07 or 18-21. Please stay on topic there's a good boy.

 

[Sunny014]

You can put Hewitt, Safin, Roddick into 2018-2021 and they all win 0 slams with Djokovic blocking them at every turn.

Put Stan and Mooorey in Fed's era and they win 0 slams
Novak in that era won't win Wimbledons (not even 1) because Fed, Roddick and peak Nadal would be too much for him
Novak won't the US open too, courts would be too fast for him.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

TBH with their 04 - 07 level, they would need to be having a very lucky week if Djokovic was their problem. I don't see any of that three taking sets off Berrettini, Rublev, Shapo, Alliassime, let alone old Nadal, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev or Djokovic.

I agree with most of this! FAA is a complete mug though I’d fancy them to win there.

The top guys now are next level though. Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas are all future ATGs in making and are above above your Roddicks and Hewitts.

 

[BGod]

You can put Hewitt, Safin, Roddick into 2018-2021 and they all win 0 slams with Djokovic blocking them at every turn.

TBH with their 04 - 07 level, they would need to be having a very lucky week if Djokovic was their problem. I don't see any of that three taking sets off Berrettini, Rublev, Shapo, Alliassime, let alone old Nadal, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev or Djokovic.

Okay and you guys based this on what exactly? The meager H2H records we DO have certainly don't support your arguments. Unless this is all sarcasm.

But in case this isn't sarcasm, just a touch.

03-05 Roddick absolutely beats 18-21 Novak on grass at least once if not all three times. 2005 Safin at the AO easily beats Novak last two years there while 2019 is debatable (Nadal was crap). And 2004-05 Hewitt at the USO beats Novak, well because Novak just hasn't blocked much of anyone there.

And I am a fan of Novak, for a long time, been putting him as GOAT after 2019. But facts are facts younglings.

 

[Thriller]

I agree with most of this! FAA is a complete mug though I’d fancy them to win there.
The top guys now are next level though. Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas are all future ATGs in making and are way above above your Roddicks and Hewitts.

Agreed. I still back him to come out on top vs the 04-07 shower.

 

[Thriller]

...... 03-05 Roddick absolutely beats 18-21 Novak on grass ......

And I am a fan of Novak, for a long time, been putting him as GOAT after 2019. But facts are facts younglings.

Did you watch this year's Wimbledon final? Berrettini is basically an upgraded, much better player than Andy Roddick ever was and look what Djokovic did to him.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Did you watch this year's Wimbledon final? Berrettini is basically an upgraded, much better player than Andy Roddick ever was and look what Djokovic did to him.

Spot on.

Roddick was a big serve + FH with weak BH and kamikaze net approaches. Berrerini does the FH/BH/net better and his serve is getting close.

 

[Sunny014]

Did you watch this year's Wimbledon final? Berrettini is basically an upgraded, much better player than Andy Roddick ever was and look what Djokovic did to him.

Only delusional fellows like you believe that berretini is an upgraded version of Roddick.
No wonder you are known for posting hate for Fed and other players in the 00s

 

[Sunny014]

Djokovic wins 0 wimbledons in the 00s = PERIOD

Roddick/Federer/Nadal would have crushed him.

 

[Kralingen]

Berrerini does the FH/BH/net better

 

[NoleIsBoat]

 

[Kralingen]

This is baiting me to post the Berrettini gif but I’m not even gonna do it.

There is a strong argument that Berrettini's BH is the worst single stroke of any slam finalist in the last 20 years. Djokovic's OH is orders of magnitude more effective of a shot than Matteo's BH.

Roddick's BH was actually pretty decent. Certainly capable of hitting a topspin BH and passing someone, oh and he didn't dump it into the net every other point.

Net game for Roddick was basically only bad vs. Federer, he used it well to get to the finals. Suicidal tactically maybe so Berrettini has better stats probably but his volleying/net coverage is awful for being 6'5"...

 

[FeroBango]

It is what it is. Absolutely no one but the most serious Tennis nerds consider who Laver won against for his 19 odd total slams.

 

[Kralingen]

Roddick's BH was actually pretty decent. Certainly capable of hitting a topspin BH and passing someone, oh and he didn't dump it into the net every other point.

Net game for Roddick was basically only bad vs. Federer, he used it well to get to the finals. Suicidal tactically maybe so Berrettini has better stats probably but his volleying/net coverage is awful for being 6'5"...

Jesus no Roddick’s backhand wasn’t “actually pretty decent” by any serious standard.

Just in the context of being compared to Berrettini’s it was pretty decent.

Sometimes I cringe at my old posts.

 

[RS]

Jesus no Roddick’s backhand wasn’t “actually pretty decent” by any serious standard.

Just in the context of being compared to Berrettini’s it was pretty decent.

Sometimes I cringe at my old posts.

A good way to look at strength of a BH is clay because that's were you have to hit it the most.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

A good way to look at strength of a BH is clay because that's were you have to hit it the most.

Berrettini > Roddick on clay => Berrettin (BH) > Roddick (BH) ?

 

[RS]

Berrettini > Roddick on clay => Berrettin (BH) > Roddick (BH) ?

That could be argued. Clay is a shorter part the season which is something as a decent counter but still.

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

Jesus no Roddick’s backhand wasn’t “actually pretty decent” by any serious standard.

Just in the context of being compared to Berrettini’s it was pretty decent.

Sometimes I cringe at my old posts.

Well at least you're honest enough to admit it. Something I doubt 99% of this forum would do.