Difference between retail and federer shoes

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Look back about 8-10 months

Many threads with shoes he wore vs shoes sold retail

You'll find every single difference
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
Also - the tongue on Fed's shoes is longer than on retail shoes. They're also noticeably wider than the retail shoes across the forefoot.
 

Federette33

New User
Look back about 8-10 months

Many threads with shoes he wore vs shoes sold retail

You'll find every single difference

OK thanks i have not seen

Also - the tongue on Fed's shoes is longer than on retail shoes. They're also noticeably wider than the retail shoes across the forefoot.
Yes I find that the shape of sole looks more like vapor zoom 6 and 8 retails.I don't understand why nike doesn't keep the same shape...



 
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TMCW140

Hall of Fame
Probably ranted about this in previous threads, but will reiterate here - people claim they want Fed spec shoes, but I still believe they'd be borderline unusable.
As you can see by the pics at the top, Federer's shoes are deceptively different but all these changed are there to cater for a personal preference of his (and as you can see in all top athletes, these are down to minute details and preferences), and to make them as effective as possible. These shoes are probably custom moulded and designed to cater for individual needs and to offer optimum performance, rather than practicality or longevity. They probably last a ridiculously short amount of time and the other differences offered would have no effect unless you live in them day in, day out and have the ability of Federer himself.
Long story short; people would buy them, then complain that they lasted 20 minutes and that they're uncomfortable
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Probably ranted about this in previous threads, but will reiterate here - people claim they want Fed spec shoes, but I still believe they'd be borderline unusable.
As you can see by the pics at the top, Federer's shoes are deceptively different but all these changed are there to cater for a personal preference of his (and as you can see in all top athletes, these are down to minute details and preferences), and to make them as effective as possible. These shoes are probably custom moulded and designed to cater for individual needs and to offer optimum performance, rather than practicality or longevity. They probably last a ridiculously short amount of time and the other differences offered would have no effect unless you live in them day in, day out and have the ability of Federer himself.
Long story short; people would buy them, then complain that they lasted 20 minutes and that they're uncomfortable
He also has a crazy wide foot
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Probably ranted about this in previous threads, but will reiterate here - people claim they want Fed spec shoes, but I still believe they'd be borderline unusable.
As you can see by the pics at the top, Federer's shoes are deceptively different but all these changed are there to cater for a personal preference of his (and as you can see in all top athletes, these are down to minute details and preferences), and to make them as effective as possible. These shoes are probably custom moulded and designed to cater for individual needs and to offer optimum performance, rather than practicality or longevity. They probably last a ridiculously short amount of time and the other differences offered would have no effect unless you live in them day in, day out and have the ability of Federer himself.
Long story short; people would buy them, then complain that they lasted 20 minutes and that they're uncomfortable
Great post.

And I agree - I wouldn't be shocked if the top pros have less rubber on the bottoms or a softer variant - they don't care if the shoes last 3 practices (to break in) and 1 match. If people bought those they'd be filing lawsuits.

My favorite is their obsession with the fake carbon fiber shank. That's not fixing Skippy's 3.5 FH.
 

TMCW140

Hall of Fame
Great post.

And I agree - I wouldn't be shocked if the top pros have less rubber on the bottoms or a softer variant - they don't care if the shoes last 3 practices (to break in) and 1 match. If people bought those they'd be filing lawsuits.

My favorite is their obsession with the fake carbon fiber shank. That's not fixing Skippy's 3.5 FH.
Cheers man, glad someone agrees.
I imagine it's a bit like racing tires - not going to last, but going to give maximum grip for that brief time. Useless for retail, but perfect for professionals
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Cheers man, glad someone agrees.
I imagine it's a bit like racing tires - not going to last, but going to give maximum grip for that brief time. Useless for retail, but perfect for professionals
The pros don't use the Xdr either

I've held a pro shoe and it feels like a school eraser but a bit tougher


Crazy amounts of stickiness in that rubber, super soft compound to make it
 

ruripi

Rookie
fed's one wont last, especially at hard court. its not suitable for common people who doesnt have sponsor or money like fed.

but, all we want is same design! enbroided rf logos n trophy! like air jordans!
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
The pros don't use the Xdr either

I've held a pro shoe and it feels like a school eraser but a bit tougher


Crazy amounts of stickiness in that rubber, super soft compound to make it
Good info. Thanks.

but, all we want is same design! enbroided rf logos n trophy! like air jordans!
Jordan just didn't think to have PE's and customizations or he would have. It's not going to happen. Move on. Or like @kimguroo and others, learn how to re-create them.
 

WildVolley

Legend
He also has a crazy wide foot
In an old article on TW, which I'm not sure is still available, a Nike designer admitted that Federer wears custom-lasted shoes that are very wide. Those who have purchased Federer's actual shoes noted that he has a wide shoe at the ball of the foot but not a particularly wide toe-box.

Top level pros can probably get their shoe sponsors to make them custom lasted shoes these days if needed. The cost is trivial compared to the benefit of better play and therefore more exposure for the brand. Also, from what I've seen, Federer doesn't care at all about durability. In a video interview of Federer in Australia, he shows a line of new shoes he was given for the single tournament. There appeared to be more than one new pair for each potential match.
 
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Dave1982

Professional
fed's one wont last, especially at hard court. its not suitable for common people who doesnt have sponsor or money like fed.

but, all we want is same design! enbroided rf logos n trophy! like air jordans!
Embroidered logos cost more money and Nike will always try to keep the cost to manufacture to a minimum (sometimes in more questionable ways than others).

The cost to mass produce Fed's PE shoes would simply not stack up for Nike in a retail/commercial capacity.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
In an old article on TW, which I'm not sure is still available, a Nike designer admitted that Federer wears custom-lasted shoes that are very wide. Those who have purchased Federer's actual shoes noted that he has a wide shoe at the ball of the foot but not a particularly wide toe-box.
He probably has bunions and/or tailor's bunions.
 

gusgrand

Rookie
I don't know if you guys considered that he wears two pairs of socks and an ankle support/blister avoiding bandage from his forefoot to his ankle while wearing his extra wide Vapors!
 

gusgrand

Rookie
I would like Federer to wear a pair of his Vapors but, retail version during an off season practice block and honestly review them.........he'd prolly say they were crap, but looked almost like the real thing!
 

Van Nostrand

New User
Good info. Thanks.

Jordan just didn't think to have PE's and customizations or he would have. It's not going to happen. Move on. Or like @kimguroo and others, learn how to re-create them.
Jordan wore PE's back in the day. Nike stitched the #23 on the black/metallic and white/fire red (silver 3M tongue) Air Jordan V for his pairs, but you couldn't get that detail yourself at the time. Later, when they released a different white/fire red pair (black tongue) they added the 23 for the public just like MJ wore.
 

oodelally

Rookie
Why the hell did Nike release the horrible Teal/Emerald/Lava colorway that nobody can match to anything in their wardrobe besides the $100 shirt and the $75 shorts instead of this super clean White/Lava version that would match at least a dozen outfits from the last several majors?
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Jordan wore PE's back in the day. Nike stitched the #23 on the black/metallic and white/fire red (silver 3M tongue) Air Jordan V for his pairs, but you couldn't get that detail yourself at the time. Later, when they released a different white/fire red pair (black tongue) they added the 23 for the public just like MJ wore.
Interesting info - thanks. My boss is a Air Jordan collector and thought they were all the same. Was this every release or just some?

Why the hell did Nike release the horrible Teal/Emerald/Lava colorway that nobody can match to anything in their wardrobe besides the $100 shirt and the $75 shorts instead of this super clean White/Lava version that would match at least a dozen outfits from the last several majors?
I was thinking the same thing. The only reason to get those emerald shoes would be to take them to a tournament and hope you could get The Man to sign them.
 

oodelally

Rookie
I was thinking the same thing. The only reason to get those emerald shoes would be to take them to a tournament and hope you could get The Man to sign them.
Yet they sold out completely. It doesn't help Nike that people are so fanatical that anything Nike makes, it sells, and likely sells out, even if it's crap. If only they would listen to the fan bases and what we want.

Maybe do some twitter poll, "Hey, Fed fans, which of these two pairs of shoes would you rather buy, Emerald or White?" or "What colors should be the focal point for this upcoming season?"

I don't know why they don't just release everything from each tournament. It's just more money for them. Give us all the wristbands and headbands, give us all the socks, give us all the shoes.

I understand player exclusives but hell the pro shoes and shorts and shoes are all wayyy nicer than the commercial stuff, and I doubt Federer or Nadal care if the fans can buy everything they wear, they only wear any given outfit/kit for a few weeks and then they get a whole new one!
 

Ihatetennis

Hall of Fame
Yet they sold out completely. It doesn't help Nike that people are so fanatical that anything Nike makes, it sells, and likely sells out, even if it's crap. If only they would listen to the fan bases and what we want.

Maybe do some twitter poll, "Hey, Fed fans, which of these two pairs of shoes would you rather buy, Emerald or White?" or "What colors should be the focal point for this upcoming season?"

I don't know why they don't just release everything from each tournament. It's just more money for them. Give us all the wristbands and headbands, give us all the socks, give us all the shoes.

I understand player exclusives but hell the pro shoes and shorts and shoes are all wayyy nicer than the commercial stuff, and I doubt Federer or Nadal care if the fans can buy everything they wear, they only wear any given outfit/kit for a few weeks and then they get a whole new one!
They were recalled not sold out
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
OK thanks i have not seen



Yes I find that the shape of sole looks more like vapor zoom 6 and 8 retails.I don't understand why nike doesn't keep the same shape...



Hello Federette33

Is the white and green shoe a Vapor? If so which model? I can't recall ever having seen that version of a Vapor.

Thanks
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Yet they sold out completely. It doesn't help Nike that people are so fanatical that anything Nike makes, it sells, and likely sells out, even if it's crap. If only they would listen to the fan bases and what we want.

Maybe do some twitter poll, "Hey, Fed fans, which of these two pairs of shoes would you rather buy, Emerald or White?" or "What colors should be the focal point for this upcoming season?"

I don't know why they don't just release everything from each tournament. It's just more money for them. Give us all the wristbands and headbands, give us all the socks, give us all the shoes.

I understand player exclusives but hell the pro shoes and shorts and shoes are all wayyy nicer than the commercial stuff, and I doubt Federer or Nadal care if the fans can buy everything they wear, they only wear any given outfit/kit for a few weeks and then they get a whole new one!
Nike likes the buzz. Free advertising when there are stories about lines outside stores when some new Limited Edition drops. Just like Apple making sure they always sell out of iPhones. I'm w you.

And while @Ihatetennis is correct the emeralds would have sold out.
 

Van Nostrand

New User
Interesting info - thanks. My boss is a Air Jordan collector and thought they were all the same. Was this every release or just some?
It was just some, in fact very few. Most of the time Jordan was wearing the same pair as retail, at least from the looks department. Maybe there were some modifications made to his pairs that you couldn't see from the outside but since I don't own any of MJ's personal pairs I'm not much help there. :)

The Air Jordan 5 had some of the PE stitching with the #23, and then when he came back from retirement the first time he had a Jordan 11 with a #45 on the back that was never available at retail. Other than that I can't think of any off the top of my head.
 

PaulFCB

Semi-Pro
Consider Nike only started selling Authentic Football shirts in the last years, I think they hardly sell anything that isn't just replica made too look alike. Many people had no idea the replicas were totally different then the so called "Code 7" shirts which were only available if a store got some leftovers, I think the shoes are even at a bigger difference between pro and retail.
While retail are usually made in Thailand, China etc, the pro's are made in places like Romania, Czech Republic even UK or Spain for example.
Even the authentics they sell now for over 100$ a piece have some differences to what players actually wear ( the size system they used isn't from S to XL but in numbers, like from 1 to 7 )
I actually wonder if the Nike shirts they sell with RF and Nadal are just replicas too or just modified version of the authentic.
 

isherlock

New User
Consider Nike only started selling Authentic Football shirts in the last years, I think they hardly sell anything that isn't just replica made too look alike. Many people had no idea the replicas were totally different then the so called "Code 7" shirts which were only available if a store got some leftovers, I think the shoes are even at a bigger difference between pro and retail.
While retail are usually made in Thailand, China etc, the pro's are made in places like Romania, Czech Republic even UK or Spain for example.
Even the authentics they sell now for over 100$ a piece have some differences to what players actually wear ( the size system they used isn't from S to XL but in numbers, like from 1 to 7 )
I actually wonder if the Nike shirts they sell with RF and Nadal are just replicas too or just modified version of the authentic.
Just minor differences from the retail ones. I own a couple federer match wore apparel and several more "custom athlete" RF clothing. Have not had chance to get a pair of match wore shoes yet
 
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