Difference between Roddick and Nadal...?

Someone should start a thread titled "Difference between Nadal Fans and General Tennis Followers".
 
The differences have been highlighted quite a bit. I do however want to put down my $0.02 on Roddick. I really like the guy, but as have been discussed at length elsewhere on the forum, his game has changed over the last couple of years.

He used to have a monster server and a huge forehand that could dictate play. Lately he kept the serve, but started with some sort of defensive spinny forehand. I heard it is the one thing that his new coaching staff will try to address. If he can get back to the old all-aggressive play, I think he will be in his happy place.
 
GameSampras said:
When did I ever say Nadal is guilty of doping?? Did I say that? I said I have my suspicions. Thats what I said. Another guy putting words into my mouth.
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My bad, i've edited my post already. Nevertheless, its still ridiculous to suspect Nadal for doping just because no one on here can prove that he is innocent.
 
This topic really got side-tracked. I never asked who has a better forehand/backhand/mentality. I wanted to know how two big guys are completely opposite in their moment...
 
Nadal_Freak said:
Agreed. Roddick is all serve. Yes it can get him some big victories against top players on fast surfaces but he still wouldn't be considered better on fast surfaces. Dubai came out of nowhere considering all the losses he had before that to top players.
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Again with the "Roddick only has a serve" thing. If all you needed was a big serve to be in the top ten for 7 years then where is Karlovic huh?
 
GameSampras said:
Care to copy and paste that? Because thats not what I mean if I even did say that.
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GameSampras said:
LOL... OH my... You can say what you want.. Like i said about the doping issue.. The only one either one of us has are our suspicions at the end of the day. I never went out a limb to try and PROVE Nadal dopes. I said I have my SUSPICIONS. Until you have prevented facts, undeniably you have no more credibility than I. What.. I cant give my opinions on matters at hand?

Anyways.. This is circular arguing. Im done talking to u. Its like peeing in the wind and hoping I dont get wet. It can go on all day

And Nadal would be caught by now? You do know there are new masking agents virutally every day being created right? How do u think Wrestlers, Baseball players etc have slipped through the cracks all these years.. Like I said.. When you are making millions u can afford great masking agents. Even olympians do roids. Carl Lewis? The one who was handed the gold medal after Ben was caught doping. There have been many people on the olympic that covered by Lewis' testings and many said he was POSITIVE in the doping tests and it was buried
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Except, I have far more credibility than you do because I have proven you wrong on multiple occasions.


A. You tried to brand Canas is a doper, when the very definition of a doper is someone who takes performance enhancing drugs. Canas was found to have accidentally taken a masking agent that was administered by an ATP doctor.

B. Guillermo Coria was found guilty of having nanodrelne in his system, except this was because of a vitamin supplement that did not state that it had nanodrelne. On appeal, the Court found that Coria was not guilty of purposefully taking a performance enhancing drug and drastically reduced his sentence.

C. Puerta was cleared on both counts, as the first time was due to a doctor's mistake, and the 2nd time, he did not take a sufficient amount of the drug to have an impact on his performance. His sentence was reduced and he has returned to the professional tour.

D. Chela was only fined for the use of a performance drug Methyltestosterone, however he proved in court that he unknowingly took it, and the amount was insignificant.

E. You try to use a biased French News paper, an article which the authors did not even put their names on in order to support your position that there is a possibility that Nadal dopes. Anyone with a brain would know if the author does not put their name on the newspaper, than it is a bad article.



Care to keep on going?
 
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GameSampras said:
Rafa's name was allegedly on the list of Fuentes' clients. Several European newspapers who have seen names on the list say Nadal's name is on there.

Fuentes himself admitted to working with all sorts of athletes - cycling, track and field, soccer, and tennis. He is upset that only the cyclists seem to be getting named. As you said, only 50 or so names have been released, it is ridiculous that there has not been more of an investigation into this.

The Spanish government and courts have tried to sweep it under the rug, and none of the international doping authorities or the WADA have been able to get them to release the full list to them. That only makes it more suspicious to me that Nadal's name IS on the list - why else have they been so adamant in hiding what is in the 600-page document (which allegedly lists all the names)?
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Busted. You're terrible at coming up with your own ideas. Word for word, copy and paste.


http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2008/...are-here-to-stay-but-rafael-nadal-deserved-b/


Comment #3
 
NamRanger said:
Busted. You're terrible at coming up with your own ideas. Word for word, copy and paste.


http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2008/...are-here-to-stay-but-rafael-nadal-deserved-b/


Comment #3
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Wow, Nam! I know you're a diehard Fed Fan, but you're also a decent one. What marvelous sleuthing to come up with that second link. Amazing, I don't know of many posters who would go out of their way to disprove allegations against a player who isn't even their fave. My respect level for you just went through the roof.
 
TheTruth said:
Wow, Nam! I know you're a diehard Fed Fan, but you're also a decent one. What marvelous sleuthing to come up with that second link. Amazing, I don't know of many posters who would go out of their way to disprove allegations against a player who isn't even their fave. My respect level for you just went through the roof.
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I'm not even a die hard Federer fan, I just hate dumb people like this guy. Seriously, I truly do admire Nadal. He is a hard worker, and has incredible will and spirit. He may not play the flashiest game out there, but he's certainly exciting to watch.
 
ogruskie said:
To me, they both seem to be muscularly built. Roddick is a big guy, and so is Nadal. What makes Nadal a much quicker player? While Andy struggles to get to some balls because of his large mass, Rafa zips across court like a bird.

There will be some people who disagree that Nadal isn't as big as Roddick. Perhaps. To ME, at least, they look the same.
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The answer is simple.

Rafa has better anticipatoin than Roddick, period.
That makes him quicker on court.
 
Roddick has better serve, but weak movement. Nadal has better movement, but weaker serve. They are practically the opposite of each other.
 
edmondsm said:
It really isn't that simple. Nadal could dust Roddick in a 100m sprint, among other things.
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I think it is.

I read somewhere (sorry can't find the source) that Roddick actually is quite a good sprinter, and has a quite good 100 meter sprint record.

I don't know how fast Rafa is as a sprinter, but in tennis quickness on court not only comes from players' athleticism but also from how well they can read the game, in other words how well they can anticipate where the next ball will be coming.

I read in a Japanese article that Kei Nishikori is actually not a very fast sprinter, but already in his junior days he was always quicker on court than other juniors who acually have a faster sprint record than him.
And as Nadal said after playing Kei at Queens, "He reads the game very well."
 
NamRanger said:
Wrong, it was one French Newspaper that is well known for making up rumors. No other European Newspaper has ever reported anything on Nadal and the usage of illegal drugs. Again, get your facts straight you imbecile.
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The French hate Nadal and they hate Spaniards too for winning so many FO. How dare those Spaniards win so many FO while our own Frenchies haven't won a FO since 1983:rolleyes:
 
edmondsm said:
It really isn't that simple. Nadal could dust Roddick in a 100m sprint, among other things.
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a court is about like 6ms? wide, 100 is like over 10 times that, so its hard to judge, but tennis is a long drawn out game, so i doubt nadal works on sprinting which last like 10 secs, so even if he could beat roddick at that it doesnt say much.

The biggest difference b/w them is probably shot placement, anticipation, nadal is able to play defensive but remain in control and go on the offensive much more easier than roddick is able to, roddick plays defensive alot also but he ends get getting pushed around more often. roddick needs to go for his shots a bit more to fix this i think.
 
MajinX said:
a court is about like 6ms? wide, 100 is like over 10 times that, so its hard to judge, but tennis is a long drawn out game, so i doubt nadal works on sprinting which last like 10 secs, so even if he could beat roddick at that it doesnt say much.

The biggest difference b/w them is probably shot placement, anticipation, nadal is able to play defensive but remain in control and go on the offensive much more easier than roddick is able to, roddick plays defensive alot also but he ends get getting pushed around more often. roddick needs to go for his shots a bit more to fix this i think.
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My point was that Nadal is just faster then Roddick, alot faster. Roddick reads the play just fine, except of course when he's hitting "approach shots", but Nadal has a lightning fast first 3-4 steps which can make it look like he anticipates better then anyone. Point being, Nadal is just a better athlete, at least in the movement category. Which is the most important part of the modern game.
 
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Underhand said:
Roddick has Brooklyn Decker, Nadal hasn't.
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Maybe Nadal does not like bimbos, and goes for nice girls originating from good families and going to the university rather than guttersnipes used by every tom, jack and jerry. SOrry, nearly forgot about andy.
 
Gen said:
Maybe Nadal does not like bimbos, and goes for nice girls originating from good families and going to the university rather than guttersnipes used by every tom, jack and jerry. SOrry, nearly forgot about andy.
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Andy is just living the American Dream like George Liquor or other notables and he couldn't care less what you losers think.
 
NamRanger said:
Except, I have far more credibility than you do because I have proven you wrong on multiple occasions.


A. You tried to brand Canas is a doper, when the very definition of a doper is someone who takes performance enhancing drugs. Canas was found to have accidentally taken a masking agent that was administered by an ATP doctor.

B. Guillermo Coria was found guilty of having nanodrelne in his system, except this was because of a vitamin supplement that did not state that it had nanodrelne. On appeal, the Court found that Coria was not guilty of purposefully taking a performance enhancing drug and drastically reduced his sentence.

C. Puerta was cleared on both counts, as the first time was due to a doctor's mistake, and the 2nd time, he did not take a sufficient amount of the drug to have an impact on his performance. His sentence was reduced and he has returned to the professional tour.

D. Chela was only fined for the use of a performance drug Methyltestosterone, however he proved in court that he unknowingly took it, and the amount was insignificant.

E. You try to use a biased French News paper, an article which the authors did not even put their names on in order to support your position that there is a possibility that Nadal dopes. Anyone with a brain would know if the author does not put their name on the newspaper, than it is a bad article.



Care to keep on going?
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NamRanger said:
Except, I have far more credibility than you do because I have proven you wrong on multiple occasions.


A. You tried to brand Canas is a doper, when the very definition of a doper is someone who takes performance enhancing drugs. Canas was found to have accidentally taken a masking agent that was administered by an ATP doctor.

B. Guillermo Coria was found guilty of having nanodrelne in his system, except this was because of a vitamin supplement that did not state that it had nanodrelne. On appeal, the Court found that Coria was not guilty of purposefully taking a performance enhancing drug and drastically reduced his sentence.

C. Puerta was cleared on both counts, as the first time was due to a doctor's mistake, and the 2nd time, he did not take a sufficient amount of the drug to have an impact on his performance. His sentence was reduced and he has returned to the professional tour.

D. Chela was only fined for the use of a performance drug Methyltestosterone, however he proved in court that he unknowingly took it, and the amount was insignificant.

E. You try to use a biased French News paper, an article which the authors did not even put their names on in order to support your position that there is a possibility that Nadal dopes. Anyone with a brain would know if the author does not put their name on the newspaper, than it is a bad article.



Care to keep on going?
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Nam's B slap mode is on fire...
 
a-rod is too one-dimentional . he needs a few more tricks to win a GS again.. maybe working with creating a more of an angle for his shots and serve and volley more......
 
Cup8489 said:
huh?

you're saying Roddick is less aggressive than Nadal? you do realize his lone grand slam came from being as aggressive as he possibly could, right?

evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u7D3iQxlUo

trying to push federer off the court more often than not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClmzprEucT4

nadal trying to keep in many points long enough to get aggressive, rather than being so directly from the start (he did that plenty as well, but his bread and butter is defense)
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Aw, poor Roddick. He tried so hard, and yet Federer still made him look like a chump in the end.
 
NamRanger said:
Canas was cleared and did not use a steroid or a blood doping agent. He was banned for the usage of a masking drug that was used with an insignificant amount, and it was proven by a International Court that an ATP doctor had prescribed the medicine to Canas.



You clearly have never read these forums before, because I don't think I have ever defended Nadal so many times before. Most of my accusations and insults tend to be troll posts, but obviously you're thick headed and dense mind can't comprehend that maybe Nadal just has far superior technique and is physically stronger than his competition.



Plus, the only drugs that could be any use are HGH and EPO. However, both of these are fairly easy to catch with the right types of screening. Considering Nadal is the world #1, I'm sure they put him through more rigorous types of screening than most players. HGH and EPO both help create natural hormones in the body, some effects are increased muscle strength, better cardiovascular ability, and faster recovery periods. However, it is quite easy to detect abuse, as anyone with a brain could realize that a high level amount of HGH or EPO is a red flag.


If you break over a certain amount of HGH or EPO, that's a big red flag of 99% blood doping or use of HGHs. Also, HGHs today are generally synthetic. There are still many big flags that are all set off by many of the screening tests.
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Don't waste your breth on that moron, he doesn't understand anything he is talking about.
 
I can't believe some pathetic person tried to link Roddick to the great Nadal. Shame on you. I'm gonna smack you on the wrist. Don't do it again. :-D
 
cottontail said:
The answer is simple.

Rafa has better anticipatoin than Roddick, period.
That makes him quicker on court.
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Shoot, he also is much lighter on his feet. Roddick even with the weight loss is still lead footed. Nadal construct points. Roddick just pushes the ball back. I know the Roddick guys are gonna get me for that one. But hey, the OP asked and I gave an answer. I'm not gonna lie.
 
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