Differences of pacific gut

Rabbit said:
The debate now is whether to hybrid or not. I enjoy being 'old school' with an all-gut stringbed. From an aesthetic standpoint, there is nothing better looking to me than a two-knot job with both knots tied off on crosses. I also very much enjoy the feel of gut now.
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Rabbit, what do you mean by this? Do you string one cross with the the short side and then tie off? Or do you hold your last main with a starting clamp until you can tie it onto a cross string? I've only been stringing a year, and I'm always looking for "better" ways to string, especially with gut! Thanks.
 
GPB said:
Rabbit, what do you mean by this? Do you string one cross with the the short side and then tie off? Or do you hold your last main with a starting clamp until you can tie it onto a cross string? I've only been stringing a year, and I'm always looking for "better" ways to string, especially with gut! Thanks.
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Great question. I was told by a stringer-to-the-stars that given the option, you should never tie off on a main. When I string a one piece then, I always try to tie off on a cross.

For my C10s, I always pull two extra lengths on the short side. I then string the first two crosses with the short side and use a flying clamp to hold them. I then string the first two crosses with the long side (3 and 4) and then put a flying clamp on that (which winds up on the other side). I then take an awl and carefully enlarge the hold on the 3rd cross (which was the first cross from the long side). I then repull tension on the 2nd cross (from the short side) and put a fixed clamp on it. I then insert that cross into the 3rd grommet and tie off.

I finish the rest of the crosses and tie off on the 3rd from the bottom cross. The result is both knots are on the same side of the frame.

The benefit to this is you keep tension on the last main and it's easier to retain tension on teh crosses.
 
JT_2eighty said:
Rabbit, thanks again for all the great advice. My kevlar honeymoon is over and I'm back to full guts again. There really is no other string that has all the benefits of gut once you find the right tension, it's hard to find any downsides really.
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Gut definitely has no equal but the only downside is cost.
 
Rabbit said:
Great question. I was told by a stringer-to-the-stars that given the option, you should never tie off on a main. When I string a one piece then, I always try to tie off on a cross.
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Thanks for the details! I will try this next time I do a 1-peice stringjob.
 
bsandy said:
Pacific 17 says 1.20 on the package ?
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It says 17 Gauge 1.20 mm on the barcode sticker label on the pack of Pacific Classic I bought like 6 months ago.

The pack of ToughGut I got just 2 months ago do not have the thickness on the same label though.
 
I loved the Klip Legend 18g till two half-sets broke in my racquets while they were in my bag.

Now I'm going to try 17g, or maybe Pacific Classic.
 
Hi Rabbit. I have been playing for few weeks with the dunlop AG 300 4D 16x19a bit leaded and I am ready to try the nat gut on it. I have used klip legend mains with isospeed x's before on a more powerful racket, tecnifibre 310. Now I am experimenting with strings on my new dunlops, full proline IIs and pro supex big ace hybrided with gosen. What I am planning to try is pacific classic nat gut M's with something x's. I read that you recommend prince synt gut original. I am ready to try it as a cross, but also considering other possibilities as gosen sheep, forten or weisscannon or proline. What do you recommend as a cross, any particular reason for the prince? Does it hold better tension maybe? Just trying to get informed. Thanks for your posts and your help! What tension difference would you have between M's and crosses? I am not a bit hitter but more all around the court player. How do you think this racket would perform with nat gut hybrided? Thanks again!
 
JT_2eighty said:
Rabbit, thanks again for all the great advice. My kevlar honeymoon is over and I'm back to full guts again. There really is no other string that has all the benefits of gut once you find the right tension, it's hard to find any downsides really.

Last question for now, would Klip's 18g be similar to Pacific's 17g, as you noted Pacific's gauges tend to be slightly thinner than Klip? I'm looking for the thinnest gut I can find, to try out next.
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Agreed. I have a thread going about Becker Hero natural gut. I'm the only poster of all three or four post. Talk about having a conversation with oneself. But I finally broke down and gave in and had some Hero installed. I'll find out Wednesday how I like Becker Hero compared to the Klip Legend 17 uncoated and the Babolat that I have used in the past. By the way as you all have been mentioning Babs and Klip are different but both are great because natural gut can not be beat as 2eighty mentions. There are so many synths, polys and multis I have tried but overall gut kicks their butt. Back to the Becker. Some say that Becker is made by Klip so in theory it would be the same as Klip but that's not necessarily true. I can't even compare the two because the Klip I have had was uncoated 17 and the Becker is 16L coated but I'll try to go from memory if I like the Babs I used to use or the Becker better.
 
^2010
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v2011

Since gut and gut hybrids are really in swing on the tt boards, figured I'd bump this awesome thread from last year about Pacific & Klip guts, the two best "bang for your buck" gut brands that are compared very well on page 1!
 
Rabbit said:
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When you look at hour for hour on court, gut is really cheaper. It plays better, longer than any other string out there. The reputation gut has for enhancing your game and protecting your arm is unsurpassed.



Wow...that sounds tight, but you don't mention your regular tension. Whatever you string a multi at would be a starting point. If you want to add power, you won't do that stringing tighter. I think gut, at any tension, is great for spin [and control and comfort and power].

My only warning would be that you might have to spend enough for 2 or three sets before finding your right setup if you've never played with gut.

I would also recommend that possibly you try Classic mains and a synthetic (Prince Synthetic Gut Original (not duracrap)) hybrid first. That will give you most of what you're wanting to experiment with and not break your bank this close to Christmas. Just a thought...

good luck and if I can help any more, please don't hesitate to ask...
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In my experience, a premium gut like VS should be strung from 1-2lbs tighter than a premium multi like X-1 Biphase. I also found that the price of VS gut including labor and tax is just about twice the price of X-1 Biphase and lasts at least twice as long, if not more.

BTW, IMO, Pacific's "Imperial Blue Spiral" is probably a "tribute" to the now defunct "Victor Imperial Gut," (made in Pennsylvania I think), which had a blue spiral, and which was the most popular gut when I was a wood racquet wielding junior.
 
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Limpinhitter, when I was a teen in the early to mid '80s I had Victor blue spiral gut on my Head Arthur Ashe racquet. Not a tennis aficionado back then so I didn't really compare to anything else or notice anything about those strings. Looking back in fondness for that era and time in my life I purchased some Pacific Blue Spiral and got it installed on my Head Youtek Prestige MP but didn't care for them. I read reviews about how soft they were and all but when I played with them they were not soft and plush but stiff and didn't feel good. After breaking them in for some weeks they got better but still not that great. Only strung up about 57 lbs too. Maybe I got a bum set. They look great tho.

I have one more set that is sealed. No I will not sell them but I will use them eventually hoping that the last set was a bum set and my new set will be a good set. I will have to see.
 
Anyone try the new Orange Spiral stuff? It's more expensive than VS & Wilson, but also I've noticed TW is selling it, as their stock is reduced from the original 12+ they had.

Hopefully someone who's using it can give us a comparison to the normal Prime and/or the previous Blue Spiral.
 
Siffness number for Pacific Prime Gut Orange Bull 16

JT_2eighty said:
Anyone try the new Orange Spiral stuff? It's more expensive than VS & Wilson, but also I've noticed TW is selling it, as their stock is reduced from the original 12+ they had.

Hopefully someone who's using it can give us a comparison to the normal Prime and/or the previous Blue Spiral.
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I am interested in an answer as well.
It looks like stiffness lower than VS Team
 
Too bad no feedback reviews of it posted yet. Not sure why since it's been out for a few months yet no feedback on it. Also at Jeff's String Forum no feedback on it either.
 
A shop in your area?

WilsonPlayer101 said:
Too bad no feedback reviews of it posted yet. Not sure why since it's been out for a few months yet no feedback on it. Also at Jeff's String Forum no feedback on it either.
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Is any shop in YOUR area which may know?
From reasons which are 2 long 2 explain I cannot get an answer in NORTH EAST (of US).
I have used VS Team 17 gauge yesterday and it lasted 6 hours-
i.e performance/elasticity went down significantly after 6 hours
Switching gears:
I do NOT know whether stiffness number is of any value
Probably the user of the name drakulie will know something
regards
 
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julian said:
Is any shop in your area which may know?
From reasons which are 2 long 2 explain I cannot get an answer in NORTH EAST (of US)
I have used VS Team 17 gauge yesterday and it lasted 6 hours-
i.e performance/elasticity went down significantly after 6 hours
Switching gears:
I do NOT know whether stiffness number is of any value
Probably the user of the name drakulie will know something
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julian, there are two shops in my area that are pro shops and one of them only carries one brand of gut and that is Babolat, not Pacific. The other one doesn't carry gut at all for some reason so around here I won't find out anything.

Hopefully the people who have used this new gut will give us their thoughts and feedback on it.
 
There are couple more channels

WilsonPlayer101 said:
julian, there are two shops in my area that are pro shops and one of them only carries one brand of gut and that is Babolat, not Pacific. The other one doesn't carry gut at all for some reason so around here I won't find out anything.

Hopefully the people who have used this new gut will give us their thoughts and feedback on it.
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There are couple more channels to investigate:
1.A Web site of Pacific
I went through
http://www.pacific.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idcat=123&idart=168
but I cannot find anything useful
2.Other tennis forums-I have tried www.tennisplayer.net as of today
3.Players who use a Prince gut or Wilson Gut and who are looking for comparisons

Even if I would buy a set I am NOT sure about tension to use to have a decent comparison.
Currently I use a very strange combo-
VS Team 17 gauge 60 ponds mains and 58 pounds crosses
I am considering using Pacific in a hybrid with VS Team as well
Any thought on this subject are welcome as well
You are welcome to E-mail me as well.
There is another user of the name parasailing( I may have the spelling wrong)
A comparison with a black version of VS would be interesting as well

I have found

Pacific Prime Gut Orange Bullfibre 16 is the most labor intensive natural gut produced by Pacific consisting of hand selected, premium natural gut, enhanced with orange bull fibre. This string is the ultimate in power, comfort, and feel with exceptional tension maintenance. Pacific's Triple Seal Technology, consisting of a series of coatings, protects the string from heat and moisture, ensuring that the string plays to its maximum throughout the life. Prime Gut Bullfibre is designed to be comfortable on the arm, protecting from arm injuries. Best suited to the player seeking the ultimate in power, control, and feel in a premium natural gut.
 
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I order a set

WilsonPlayer101 said:
julian, there are two shops in my area that are pro shops and one of them only carries one brand of gut and that is Babolat, not Pacific. The other one doesn't carry gut at all for some reason so around here I won't find out anything.

Hopefully the people who have used this new gut will give us their thoughts and feedback on it.
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Now a question;what tension to use?
I expect one million answers
 
It will tough

WilsonPlayer101 said:
My racquet is a Head Youtek Prestige MP, and I use 57 lb tension which is the middle of the range for this racquet.
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I have Babolat Aero Pro Drive but I do NOT go below 58 pounds.
I will have a sleepless night,I think
Did you read a thread ".... bull strings...."
 
julian said:
I have Babolat Aero Pro Drive but I do NOT go below 58 pounds.
I will have a sleepless night,I think
Did you read a thread ".... bull strings...."
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julian, yep, I read the thread about bull strings. I'm interested in them but hoping to hear some more info about them.
 
it will take 10 days to evaluate strings

WilsonPlayer101 said:
julian, yep, I read the thread about bull strings. I'm interested in them but hoping to hear some more info about them.
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It will take 10 days to evaluate strings.
Please tell me what do you expect to hear from me.
I am just a tennis coach
 
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julian, so you bought some? If you bought some even if it takes 10 days to find out what you think of them I am interested and curious. Wonder how they compare to Babolat or to the Pacific Prime or even Blue Spiral.
 
I am NOT very clever

WilsonPlayer101 said:
julian, so you bought some? If you bought some even if it takes 10 days to find out what you think of them I am interested and curious. Wonder how they compare to Babolat or to the Pacific Prime or even Blue Spiral.
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I can only compare Pacific Bull 16 with VS Team 17
I do NOT have any money for more comparison
Pacific Bull 60 pounds both main and crosses
VS Team 60 pounds mains,58 pounds crosses
Please do NOT get angry if NOT happy with me
 
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julian said:
I can only compare Pacific Bull 16 with VS Team 17
I do NOT have any money for more comparison
Pacific Bull 60 pounds both main and crosses
VS Team 60 pounds mains,58 pounds crosses
Please do NOT get angry if NOT happy with me
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Gut is expensive so any comparison you can give is appreciated. VS is the standard in gut so I am very happy to hear your results of your comparison. Thanks so much julian.
 
Table

WilsonPlayer101,
do you know a table ?
It is taken from
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com...ctor_2011.html.
Please see 4 strings marked by an arrow <--------



Gut (Sorted by Stiffness)
Company String Material Gauge Stiffness (lbs/in.) Tension loss (lbs)
Pacific Tough Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.28 83 7.52
Tourna Natural Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.22 84 8.75
Pacific Tough Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.26 88 6.75
Pacific Prime Gut 16L (Bull Fiber) Natural Gut 1.28 90 8.62
Pacific Classic Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.28 92 6.39
Pacific Prime Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.3 92 6.86
Pacific Tough Gut 17L Natural Gut 1.2 94 9.29
Pacific Prime Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.28 97 5.75
Pacific Tough Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.23 97 9.22
Grand Slam Gut Ti. Power 16 (uncoated) Natural Gut 1.3 97 10.92
Head Natural Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.25 99 8.73 <-----------
Pacific Classic Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.28 100 7.78
Grand Slam Gut Grand Slam Gut 15L (coated) Natural Gut 1.36 100 8.58
Wilson Natural 16 Natural Gut 1.31 102 8.43


Babolat VS Team Thermogut 17 Natural Gut 1.26 102 8.45 <---------
Prince Natural Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.23 102 8.49 <---------
Pacific Prime Gut 16 (Bull Fiber) Natural Gut 1.32 103 8.05 <---------
Wilson Natural 17 Natural Gut 1.26 103 8.13 <---------

Pacific Tough Gut 15L Natural Gut 1.4 103 8.66
Grand Slam Gut Black Knight Gut 16 (Coated) Natural Gut 1.32 103 11.91
Klip Armour Pro 16 Natural Gut 1.3 105 7.43
Klip Armour Pro 17 Natural Gut 1.28 105 7.7
Grand Slam Gut Grand Slam Gut 17 (uncoated) Natural Gut 1.28 105 7.87
Pacific Prime Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.22 105 8.45
Klip Legend 16 Uncoated Natural Gut 1.28 106 8.11
Pacific Classic Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.3 106 11.01
Babolat VS Touch Thermogut 16 Natural Gut 1.3 107 8.31
Pacific Tough Gut Imperial (Blue Spiral) 16 Natural Gut 1.3 110 8.23
Bow Brand Championship 16 Natural Gut 1.3 111 7.36
 
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