Dimitrov using actual 97S now?

RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
We get it saychin, you don't care.

So what are you still doing in the pro racquet section if you so vehemently don't care if advertisements are blatantly misleading?

Maybe you didn't get the memo, more often than not racquets are paintjobs.

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Because it's funny to see how people lose their s*** over what pros are using or not using. And yeah I know it's a paintjob, along with all the other paintjobs. Does it matter to me?

Hell no.
 

Auringon

New User
Because it's funny to see how people lose their s*** over what pros are using or not using. And yeah I know it's a paintjob, along with all the other paintjobs. Does it matter to me?

Hell no.
I don't care what Grigor uses, neither do I need a PS97S nor a PS93. I will tell you what matters. The known fact that Wilson (well... all of them) are lying to us and continuing to do so without any consequences. It seems there are people who enjoy being fooled.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
I honestly don't care that they're lying as long as the products are good. I don't subscribe to the notion that what pros use is superior.
Which, of course, you are entitled to. However, I assume you do care about what you paid for those PS97S?
If so, a substantial part of the product premium is made possible because many buyers do believe they are either using the same frame as their idol, or someone they respect.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Which, of course, you are entitled to. However, I assume you do care about what you paid for those PS97S?
If so, a substantial part of the product premium is made possible because many buyers do believe they are either using the same frame as their idol, or someone they respect.
Not really, tennis racquets are fairly affordable really when you consider how long you can use them for. Also I bought mine when TWE discounted them for a short while.

What it comes down to is that consumers think that they want pro sticks, when they really only want to say that they use what the pros use.

The way I see it, the information is out there to find for those who want to and I don't blame manufacturers for not doing things that are likely to cause them losses.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
The way I see it, the information is out there to find for those who want to and I don't blame manufacturers for not doing things that are likely to cause them losses.
Winner of best euphemism for marketing lies award 2016 ;-)

Seriously, that is just not accurate, at all. Even on this forum, the people-in-the-know often have problems recognizing what prostock the diff ATP players are using, as you know very well. And I don't need to remind you these same prostocks do not have generic brand PJs, they have perfect PJs of some popular retail frame.

Kids and youth (and adults) buy their Instinct, Speed, Pure Aeros because Sharapova, Berdych, Djokovic, Zverev, Nadal aso play with frame that look EXACTLY like the retail models. That an almost negligeable amount of buyers know otherwise is totally besides the point, imo. This is not readily available information. Everyone - except one person - I've talked about this topic IRL have not had a clue about this. And I mean, not a clue.

At least Head went for a lesser-evil solution, by labelling one of their Graphene Prestige prostocks with the label "Prestige MID" (or something), which of course, is a non-existing retail model.

This is a non-exisisting problem in golf, btw. You can get hold of the exact same clubs and shafts as the majority of the PGA players, down to ordering custom wedge grinding from a mfcs custom shop.
 

macattack

Professional
This is a non-exisisting problem in golf, btw. You can get hold of the exact same clubs and shafts as the majority of the PGA players, down to ordering custom wedge grinding from a mfcs custom shop.
Ehh, the problem exists to a certain degree in golf. Dustin Johnson plays a putter than you can't buy. He uses a different hosel/shaft bend that Taylor Made won't release as an option with the OTR version. But it's definitely not as bad as tennis, that's for sure.
 
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Biogenic

Rookie
Which, of course, you are entitled to. However, I assume you do care about what you paid for those PS97S?
If so, a substantial part of the product premium is made possible because many buyers do believe they are either using the same frame as their idol, or someone they respect.
Well for me i bought the new 97s because i like the specs
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame

I really like the gold Wilson logo at the throat. Looks nicer than red.
When he first switched to wilson he had a interview where he went on about them having the best visual design, which would have been around the time of microgel / blx I think. I think every wilson frame he's used had the gold on it.
 

jarko111

Hall of Fame
It has the orange on the sides.. so are the prostaffs getting orange paint next year? What will they do with the Burns? No more Burns?
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
They will send their graphic designer on these boards to convince us that GD is using it ;)
Now... all we need from is someone from Wilson to tell us that Dimitrov is using the exact frame that we can buy...
I seem to recall PeterFig admitting that Grigor isn't using this frame. He merely said that the first prototype Grigor stuck with was the first 97S, which he switched away from for the new 97S when the previous model went into retail, which he recently switched away from before the new 97S became a retail model.

The way I see it Grigor is seriously f***ing over Wilson haha
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
And the sad part is Wilson came close to offering racquets similar to what some pros used. Who thought Wilson would release the boxier 97S? Yet they did. But I seriously doubt they would continue and release the 93S. Not a fan of the frame but it would be nice if it was available.
 

FedLIKEnot

Professional
And the sad part is Wilson came close to offering racquets similar to what some pros used. Who thought Wilson would release the boxier 97S? Yet they did. But I seriously doubt they would continue and release the 93S. Not a fan of the frame but it would be nice if it was available.
I am telling you as the only PS 95s user I know this is going to be terribly self serving but there is a niche or need for a mid spin effect racquet especially in the pro staff line. I do hope they bring it back mid cycle or in the next release.
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
I am telling you as the only PS 95s user I know this is going to be terribly self serving but there is a niche or need for a mid spin effect racquet especially in the pro staff line. I do hope they bring it back mid cycle or in the next release.
You're talking about something different here. My point was mainly about Wilson having bad experience with releasing a pro mold because of Dimitrov.
You are talking about a niche for a smaller spin racquet which in my opinion the 93S is not. The 95S and 93S are worlds apart. 95S is inherently low powered due to the junior swingweight but is indeed extremely spin friendly. The 93S is not as spin friendly, is stiffer and not forgiving (even with a gut hybrid), at least at Dimitrovs specs and customisation. Also the 93S has an 18x17 pattern which is vastly different from 16x15.
 

FedLIKEnot

Professional
You're talking about something different here. My point was mainly about Wilson having bad experience with releasing a pro mold because of Dimitrov.
You are talking about a niche for a smaller spin racquet which in my opinion the 93S is not. The 95S and 93S are worlds apart. 95S is inherently low powered due to the junior swingweight but is indeed extremely spin friendly. The 93S is not as spin friendly, is stiffer and not forgiving (even with a gut hybrid), at least at Dimitrovs specs and customisation. Also the 93S has an 18x17 pattern which is vastly different from 16x15.
I must have missed that part but I do understand where youre coming from that said in a mid they should have more players racquet type specs. The same as most racquet lines "TOUR" or "MID" lines come typically with a 95-98 head size and a heavier sw and static weight. There are plenty of other racquets in Wilsons Spin Effect family that have a lower static weight and smaller sw. For me I found better results in getting my racquets modded to 12.3 strung and 7pts hl and I forget the sw already id have to check my racquets. Which I know is not pro specs but bridges the gap from normal SPIN racquets and the tour lines. And that area is where I think they are missing and something Grigor could help bridge.

Back on topic its great to see his play on the up stick since he switched back.
 

bkr

Rookie
I don't care what Grigor uses, neither do I need a PS97S nor a PS93. I will tell you what matters. The known fact that Wilson (well... all of them) are lying to us and continuing to do so without any consequences. It seems there are people who enjoy being fooled.
Misleading is bad advertising as I have met many parents in the junior tournaments where they are changing their kids racquets because the pro that was using it has changed it as well so understandbly parents go and buy new model thinking this would improve their kid performance.Changing racquets every few years even the same model is impacting kids development as we all know kids develop muscle memory with each shot and if we keep introducing changes to frames then they never going to get adjusted and get better.NO WONDER PROS KEEP THE RACQUETS THEY HAVE STARTED PLAYING AS KIDS.

I have experienced with my kids as well whenever we have introduced new racquets their performance suffered.I think it's very bad to misled lot of parents and their kids in this process.
 
Misleading is bad advertising as I have met many parents in the junior tournaments where they are changing their kids racquets because the pro that was using it has changed it as well so understandbly parents go and buy new model thinking this would improve their kid performance.Changing racquets every few years even the same model is impacting kids development as we all know kids develop muscle memory with each shot and if we keep introducing changes to frames then they never going to get adjusted and get better.NO WONDER PROS KEEP THE RACQUETS THEY HAVE STARTED PLAYING AS KIDS.

I have experienced with my kids as well whenever we have introduced new racquets their performance suffered.I think it's very bad to misled lot of parents and their kids in this process.
Does the , key not work or something?
 

kingcheetah

Hall of Fame
Anyone who buys a racquet only because they think some pro uses it got exactly what they deserve.
Misleading is bad advertising as I have met many parents in the junior tournaments where they are changing their kids racquets because the pro that was using it has changed it as well so understandbly parents go and buy new model thinking this would improve their kid performance.

I have experienced with my kids as well whenever we have introduced new racquets their performance suffered.I think it's very bad to misled lot of parents and their kids in this process.
Know your specs, try before you buy. Sure you might really like a racquet that a favorite player uses, but you might not. If the RF97 were 10.5 oz strung and even balance, I'd hit it for 5 minutes and be done.

And why on God's green earth should a parent switch out racquets for a kid just because a pro did it? That's on them for being impatient with their child's development/wanting a racquet to provide all the answers. If your kid is comfortable with something, why bother changing it? Copy a pros strategy or technique to improve? sure. Equipment constantly? Knuckleheaded.
 

bkr

Rookie
Know your specs, try before you buy. Sure you might really like a racquet that a favorite player uses, but you might not. If the RF97 were 10.5 oz strung and even balance, I'd hit it for 5 minutes and be done.

And why on God's green earth should a parent switch out racquets for a kid just because a pro did it? That's on them for being impatient with their child's development/wanting a racquet to provide all the answers. If your kid is comfortable with something, why bother changing it? Copy a pros strategy or technique to improve? sure. Equipment constantly? Knuckleheaded.
Don't expect everyone has the knowledge on Tennis and know all the crap that is going on as lot of parents not even touched racquets in their life so one cann't assume everyone are like the folks in this form.

Kids needs to update their racquet as some of these models keep getting updated and old models are not available any more.

I know a top junior (number one in my state in US) that was using Aeropro and suddenly he was provided PureAero and the kid starts loosing national tournaments to the players he usually beats.We all know margins are small so small changes make a difference at high level junior tennis or any good level tennis match.

This kid has sponsorship from Babolat so he gets free racuets so he has to stop using pureaero and start buying Aeropro from retailers.But Babolat provides Aeropro to Pros not even to this top junior who is top 10 in the nation in his age group.

This is real experience and not blowing something out of thin air.
 
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E5C4P366

New User
Wilson Tennis posted this just a little while ago:

Can anyone tell if he's using a 97S now?
i tell ya what, that paint job is bad, the black is shiny, its meant to be matt, the pro staff lettering is meant to be black, but is reflecting, plus the wilson is a gold shiny colour and is only on once face of the frame where its meant to wrap onto another face, possibly three! at least get the PJ right!! glad he is playing well again!!!!
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I think Dimatrov had the next generation of is Wilson endorsed racquet that is of a matte black with a gloss Wilson label on the throat! I would of brought on if you could remove the Wilson branding but they unfortunately decided to engrave into the frame.
 

kingcheetah

Hall of Fame
Don't expect everyone has the knowledge on Tennis and know all the crap that is going on as lot of parents not even touched racquets in their life so one cann't assume everyone are like the folks in this form.

Kids needs to update their racquet as some of these models keep getting updated and old models are not available any more.

I know a top junior (number one in my state in US) that was using Aeropro and suddenly he was provided PureAero and the kid starts loosing national tournaments to the players he usually beats.We all know margins are small so small changes make a difference at high level junior tennis or any good level tennis match.

This kid has sponsorship from Babolat so he gets free racuets so he has to stop using pureaero and start buying Aeropro from retailers.But Babolat provides Aeropro to Pros not even to this top junior who is top 10 in the nation in his age group.

This is real experience and not blowing something out of thin air.
You completely ignored what I said. Yes models do change, and that's when players should DEMO racquets before committing to one because a pro uses it. If you try a racquet and it doesn't play as well, but think it must be better because a certain pro uses it, it's poor decision making on the player's part.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Ha, if I were contemplating the 97S I would be *relieved* to find out that it's not really what Grigor uses. He plummeted from the top 10 into the 40s around the time he allegedly started using the 97S. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

(PS I was originally going to ask if he really was changing frames again to the new 97S, which is very different spec-wise, but I guess he never even changed to the old one).
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
ROTFL. Does Grigor hate the 97S so much he won't even take one swing with it so they can take a promotional photo that isn't so obviously fake?
The problem is that he DID use it (as well as the version before), but he always ditched the moulds just before they became available stock racquets haha

It's like he's trying to troll Wilson
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Not really, tennis racquets are fairly affordable really when you consider how long you can use them for. Also I bought mine when TWE discounted them for a short while.

What it comes down to is that consumers think that they want pro sticks, when they really only want to say that they use what the pros use.

The way I see it, the information is out there to find for those who want to and I don't blame manufacturers for not doing things that are likely to cause them losses.
How the mighty have fallen.

:cool:
 
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