Dimitrov will never win another title

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Not giving any spoilers away, but, for me, Dimitrov's performance at the 2017 cemented in my mind the fact that he will never win another title in his career (that's not even another ATP 250, let alone a Grand Slam).

I find that just as people are hyping up a player is the perfect time to anti-bandwagon them.

His backhand is just so weak and crumbles under any pressure.

His movement is so slow for his height.

He has no firepower off the forehand wing.

His serve is pathetic for his height.

Really, there are not many redeeming qualities.

Let this guy sink around the top 75-100 in the world where his talent level lies.
 
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I watched parts of the match with the annoying commentators muted. They really should just buy Nadal dinner and give him a key to their suite and hope for the happy ending.

Hopefully Dimitrov takes from this match what Stan learned in losing in 2013 you are just as good as these top players. Hang in there. Its going to happen. Both Stan yesterday and Grigor ultimately blinked by dropping serve once in the 5th set. They LOST yes. But they both know that they missed serves it is not like they just got blown away and their is no clue what to do. He may never win another title but I believe he will and a major one at that.
 
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So, everyone is hyping him up, and I am the realistic voice of reason, and I get called the troll?

It's far more likely than not that he never wins another tournament.
No, you are just trolling. Grigor has just won Brisbane, and came pretty close to winning the Aussie open. That suggests that he is in good form and is ready to break through as a top player.
 
No, you are just trolling. Grigor has just won Brisbane, and came pretty close to winning the Aussie open. That suggests that he is in good form and is ready to break through as a top player.

No, you are just a typically over-excitable hyping fanboy.

Whenever a player starts to look hot, I start an ANTI-bandwagon thread about them.

Important to be realistic.
 
No, you are just a typically over-excitable hyping fanboy.

Whenever a player starts to look hot, I start an ANTI-bandwagon thread about them.

Important to be realistic.
It would be realistic to say that Istomin is unlikely to win many titles, if any.
But to say that Grigor won't is just sheer stupidity. He is in such strong form.
You are either a troll or a moron.
 
So, everyone is hyping him up, and I am the realistic voice of reason, and I get called the troll?

It's far more likely than not that he never wins another tournament.
Rubbish. Dimitrovs movement was fantastic and he has won brisbane two weeks ago and taken one of the two greatest players of all time to 5 sets.

If he stays focussed and dedicated actually i could see him wimning the french open, wimbledon and uso this year. Plainly good enough on all surfaces, supremely fit, he has all the tools to dominate if he wants it enough.

Sorry but i echo others who say you dont know what u r talking about
 
He hit 80 winners against one of the greatest retrievers of all time. You don't know what you're talking about.
This! He played amazing tennis last night. Rafa was hitting shots that looked like for sure winners and Dimitrov got them back and with good placement many times. 80 winners and he played unreal defense. Grigor will win a slam one day.
 
Let's not forget Raonic also made a slam final recently and look at him now. Dimi needs to reach at least the semis of the remaining slams this year to have any true legitimacy.
 
Had it read, "Title will never win another Dimitrov," he may have had a shot at accuracy. For the pants, they are a-balloonin'.
 
one of the worst posters on the forum ...you re thiem threads are gonna look ******** in a couple of months also .

They probably are just due to the exaggerated nature of the claims in the OPs, but it has to said. I don't think Thiem is that good. Never seen much special about that kid.
 
I love how even if Grigor had a 1/500 chance of winning a slam, a 1/100 chance of winning a 1000, 1/20 chance of winning a 500, and 1/5 chance of winning a 250, the numbers put him at around 2-3 titles if he plays until 33.
 
Not giving any spoilers away, but, for me, Dimitrov's performance at the 2017 cemented in my mind the fact that he will never win another title in his career (that's not even another ATP 250, let alone a Grand Slam).

I find that just as people are hyping up a player is the perfect time to anti-bandwagon them.

His backhand is just so weak and crumbles under any pressure.

His movement is so slow for his height.

He has no firepower off the forehand wing.

His serve is pathetic for his height.

Really, there are not many redeeming qualities.

Let this guy sink around the top 75-100 in the world where his talent level lies.
Awkward...
 
They probably are just due to the exaggerated nature of the claims in the OPs, but it has to said. I don't think Thiem is that good. Never seen much special about that kid.

well it is you re opinion man.I see alot of shotmaking ability in thiem ,I think he has all the weapons he needs(his serve is way too inconsistent though),his problem is positioning on court ,and horible BP conversion alongside tactics.Those should be things that can be improved.And I mean come on, he looked awesome last year in the frist half in many matches .
 
I see alot of shotmaking ability in thiem ,I think he has all the weapons he needs(his serve is way too inconsistent though),his problem is positioning on court ,and horible BP conversion alongside tactics.Those should be things that can be improved.And I mean come on, he looked awesome last year in the frist half in many matches .

Thiem does not have Federer's talent, so unless he somehow manages to completely remove the mental midgetry in big matches a la Wawrinka, he will continue to be a mug and a choker.

As for last year...

1. At no point did Thiem dominate the field playing great tennis. He was clutch and won a lot of close matches in the smaller tournaments (add the RG QF vs Goffin as well, one point away from going 0-2 down), plus his deciding set record was something like 20-1 up to Wimbledon. So, Thiem had belief and was ready to go the distance, which allowed him to win a lot despite not playing dominantly. He was in great physical and mental form. Once that evaporated, his technical deficiencies were once again exposed on a regular basis. Thiem cannot expect to summon that form as well, he will wear himself down again, so he must improve his technical game to win big. Until then, he will not be able to do so, as long as he continues to struggle regularly against lesser players.

2. For all that, as far as the big tournaments go, Thiem has shown very little for the expectations that have been piled on him by some.

In the Masters tournaments, he usually got soft draws in the early rounds, with the exception of Rome.

Fact:
Thiem's 2016 Masters record is 10-8;
if you remove Rome, it's 7-7;
5 of Thiem's 7 non-Rome victories are over qualifiers;
1 other is over then-#76 Groth who was having a terrible season and slipped below top 200 at some point;
1 other win is over then-#21 Sock.

So, outside of Rome, Thiem only had 1 Masters win over an ok player, while his other 6 wins came against weak players. As soon as he met a top player, a loss in straights was incoming (Tsonga, Djokovic - even though he was off and bad on serve, Nadal, Nishikori, Raonic), with Tsonga, Nishikori and especially Raonic recording beatings where Thiem never looked like winning, while Djokovic and Nadal enjoyed massive BP conversion failures from Thiem (1/15 and 2/16, I think). Thiem's other losses include choking to comebacking del Potro on clay - and del Potro didn't play great, but, once again, 0/7 on BPs and there you go; playing lackadaisical and getting destroyed by Sock in Paris; retiring against Anderson.

In the Slam tournaments, it is enough to point out that the second-highest ranked player Thiem beat in 2016 was #36 Leonardo Mayer (AO R1). The highest was Goffin in RG QF - Thiem had to fight hard not to go two sets to love down, and then he wore Goffin down in the end. Not that impressive.


Thiem has talent, but he has not learned to apply it properly yet. I don't see the reason to give him high praise until he at least beats an in-form top 10 player in a big tournament. So far he has 3 top 10 victories in big tournies (Wawrinka, Federer, Monfils), but the losers did not play top tennis in those matches.
 
Thiem does not have Federer's talent, so unless he somehow manages to completely remove the mental midgetry in big matches a la Wawrinka, he will continue to be a mug and a choker.

As for last year...

1. At no point did Thiem dominate the field playing great tennis. He was clutch and won a lot of close matches in the smaller tournaments (add the RG QF vs Goffin as well, one point away from going 0-2 down), plus his deciding set record was something like 20-1 up to Wimbledon. So, Thiem had belief and was ready to go the distance, which allowed him to win a lot despite not playing dominantly. He was in great physical and mental form. Once that evaporated, his technical deficiencies were once again exposed on a regular basis. Thiem cannot expect to summon that form as well, he will wear himself down again, so he must improve his technical game to win big. Until then, he will not be able to do so, as long as he continues to struggle regularly against lesser players.

2. For all that, as far as the big tournaments go, Thiem has shown very little for the expectations that have been piled on him by some.

In the Masters tournaments, he usually got soft draws in the early rounds, with the exception of Rome.

Fact:
Thiem's 2016 Masters record is 10-8;
if you remove Rome, it's 7-7;
5 of Thiem's 7 non-Rome victories are over qualifiers;
1 other is over then-#76 Groth who was having a terrible season and slipped below top 200 at some point;
1 other win is over then-#21 Sock.

So, outside of Rome, Thiem only had 1 Masters win over an ok player, while his other 6 wins came against weak players. As soon as he met a top player, a loss in straights was incoming (Tsonga, Djokovic - even though he was off and bad on serve, Nadal, Nishikori, Raonic), with Tsonga, Nishikori and especially Raonic recording beatings where Thiem never looked like winning, while Djokovic and Nadal enjoyed massive BP conversion failures from Thiem (1/15 and 2/16, I think). Thiem's other losses include choking to comebacking del Potro on clay - and del Potro didn't play great, but, once again, 0/7 on BPs and there you go; playing lackadaisical and getting destroyed by Sock in Paris; retiring against Anderson.

In the Slam tournaments, it is enough to point out that the second-highest ranked player Thiem beat in 2016 was #36 Leonardo Mayer (AO R1). The highest was Goffin in RG QF - Thiem had to fight hard not to go two sets to love down, and then he wore Goffin down in the end. Not that impressive.


Thiem has talent, but he has not learned to apply it properly yet. I don't see the reason to give him high praise until he at least beats an in-form top 10 player in a big tournament. So far he has 3 top 10 victories in big tournies (Wawrinka, Federer, Monfils), but the losers did not play top tennis in those matches.

thiem does not have federer s talent...lol come on man ,of course he doesnt ..but who the hell has federers talent?it s like calling out a young football player for not having messis talent..I never saied thiem deserves high praise ,but he brought me alot of joy last year ,and for me his tenis in the first half of 2016 was very enjoyable.I do agree with you he s got the talent ,he doesn t apply it well ,but because he doesn t lack quality in any groundstroke and also has pretty good touch ,I think his flaws are manageable and can be improved on.My question is if bresnik is the right guy for thiem?Because when you don t see a player improving certain aspects of his game ,the coach has something to do with it IMO.Especially when his flaws are exactly the ones a coach should see and corect(in some measure,the coaches are not magicians afterall).
 
thiem does not have federer s talent...lol come on man ,of course he doesnt ..but who the hell has federers talent?it s like calling out a young football player for not having messis talent..I never saied thiem deserves high praise ,but he brought me alot of joy last year ,and for me his tenis in the first half of 2016 was very enjoyable.I do agree with you he s got the talent ,he doesn t apply it well ,but because he doesn t lack quality in any groundstroke and also has pretty good touch ,I think his flaws are manageable and can be improved on.My question is if bresnik is the right guy for thiem?Because when you don t see a player improving certain aspects of his game ,the coach has something to do with it IMO.Especially when his flaws are exactly the ones a coach should see and corect(in some measure,the coaches are not magicians afterall).

What I mean is that Thiem and his fans cannot expect great success without really fixing and polishing his weaknesses - he can't get away with having an imbalanced game, since he does not have world-class weapons (his strokes are potent when on, but not that much), whereas someone like Federer or Nadal already had some strong titles even before their game was complete.

Of course, there is a lot to improve - the amazing Wawrinka example continues to remind us that it is possible to become a GS winner even in late 20s. I'm just a bit fed up with excessive praising some liked to give Thiem when he was on fire. That said, he obviously has a lot of detractors as well. Interesting how most people feel strongly about him one way or another. I guess that shows he's a strong character :)
 
Thiem's weakness is he plays too much and doesn't get enough rest. He got to the top playing a lot and entering a tournament seemingly every week.

He has a big game that goes 200% and 100mph but it's a game his body has matured enough for and needs rest.
 
What I mean is that Thiem and his fans cannot expect great success without really fixing and polishing his weaknesses - he can't get away with having an imbalanced game, since he does not have world-class weapons (his strokes are potent when on, but not that much), whereas someone like Federer or Nadal already had some strong titles even before their game was complete.

Of course, there is a lot to improve - the amazing Wawrinka example continues to remind us that it is possible to become a GS winner even in late 20s. I'm just a bit fed up with excessive praising some liked to give Thiem when he was on fire. That said, he obviously has a lot of detractors as well. Interesting how most people feel strongly about him one way or another. I guess that shows he's a strong character :)

his forehand is world class normaly ..I think he has the fastest average on tour.
 
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