Discuss the Peak levels of players And rate their level out of 100 on each surface

[Raining hopes]

It's the off season , so before we see a millions of threads on the same topic and variations of it , let us just keep it all in here.

Let us rate the big 3 at their Peak on each surface.



I will start :

Nadal :
Slow HC 93/100
Fast HC 88/100
Clay 110/100
(The scale doesn't do him justice)
Grass 93/100
Indoor HC 85/100

Federer

Slow HC 95/100
Fast HC 97/100
Clay. 92/100
Grass. 98/100
Indoor HC. 97/100

Djokovic

Slow. HC. 98/100
Fast HC 92/100
Clay 93/100
Grass. 95/100
Indoor HC 97/100

 

[RF-18]

Nadal:

Slow HC - 89/100
Fast HC - 89/100
Clay - 100/100
Grass - 93/100
Indoor HC - 80/100

Federer
slow HC - 94/100
Fast HC - 97/100
Clay - 93/100
Grass - 99/100
Indoor HC - 98/100

Djokovic - Slow HC 100/100
Fast HC - 95/100
Clay - 95/100
Grass - 97/100
Indoor HC 99/100

Total:

Djokovic: 486/500
Federer: 481/500
Nadal: 451/500

 

[SuperSpinner]

Nadal:
Slow HC - 90/100
Fast HC - 80/100
Clay - 99/100 (Soderling!)
Grass - 85/100
Indoor HC - 75/100

Federer:
slow HC - 95/100
Fast HC - 99/100
Clay - 93/100
Grass - 100/100
Indoor HC - 99/100

Djokovic:
Slow HC 98/100
Fast HC - 90/100
Clay - 91/100
Grass - 90/100
Indoor HC 90/100

Total:
Federer: 486/500
Djokovic: 459/500
Nadal: 429/500

 

[BeatlesFan]

Nadal:

Slow HC - 89/100
Fast HC - 89/100
Clay - 100/100
Grass - 93/100
Indoor HC - 80/100

Federer
slow HC - 94/100
Fast HC - 97/100
Clay - 93/100
Grass - 99/100
Indoor HC - 98/100

Djokovic - Slow HC 100/100
Fast HC - 95/100
Clay - 95/100
Grass - 97/100
Indoor HC 99/100

Total:

Djokovic: 486/500
Federer: 481/500
Nadal: 451/500

Hilarious that anyone gives Fed 99/100 on grass and gives Novak 97/100. Nothing illustrates blind fanboyizm than this. Federer has 8 Wimbledon's and 18 total grass titles. Djokovic isn't remotely close to that, but he's only two points behind the grass GOAT?

Oh.... kay...

 

[Sport]

Nadal:

Slow HC - 89/100
Fast HC - 89/100
Clay - 100/100
Grass - 93/100
Indoor HC - 80/100

Federer
slow HC - 94/100
Fast HC - 97/100
Clay - 93/100
Grass - 99/100
Indoor HC - 98/100

Djokovic - Slow HC 100/100
Fast HC - 95/100
Clay - 95/100
Grass - 97/100
Indoor HC 99/100

Total:

Djokovic: 486/500
Federer: 481/500
Nadal: 451/500

What the? Nadal has 2 Grand Slams on grass and 4 Grand Slams on hard courts, while Djokovic only has 1 Grand Slam on clay. And you put Djokovic a higher score on clay than Nadal on grass and hard courts? What a lack of objectivity.

2 Grand Slams on grass >>>> 1 Grand Slam on clay.

Nadal is greater on grass than Djokovic on clay.


4 : 2= 2. Nadal averages 2 titles per Grand Slam on hard courts. Djokovic only averages 1 title per Grand Slam on clay. 2 >>> 1.

Nadal is greater on hard courts than Djokovic on clay.

 

[abmk]

Basically, this is the order IMO :

Nadal clay (100)
Federer grass (98)
Federer fast HC ~ Federer indoors (96)
Djokovic slow HC ~ Federer slow HC (94)
Djokovic indoors (92)
Djokovic fast HC ~ Djokovic grass ~ Nadal grass (91)
Nadal slow HC (89)
Nadal fast HC (87)
Federer clay (86)
Djokovic clay (84)
Nadal indoors (78)

To be noted :

1. Giving more importance to the slams than the other tournaments. (and for indoors to the YEC)
For example :
I think peak Djoko > peak Fed at Miami
peak fed > peak djoko at AO
peak fed ~ peak djoko at IW
distance b/w them is more at Miami than at AO, but AO is more important.

2. Djoko benefitted a lot from the awful slowed down Paris+YEC surfaces from 2011-2015. Would be honestly lower indoors than what he is if not for that.

 

[abmk]

Federer :

slow HC : 94
medium fast to fast HC : 96
clay : 86
grass : 98
indoors : 96

total = 470/500

Nadal :

slow HC : 89
medium fast to fast HC : 87
clay : 100
grass : 91
indoors : 78

total = 445/500

Djokovic :

slow HC : 94
medium fast to fast HC : 91
clay : 84
grass : 91
indoors : 92

total = 452/500

 

[Night Slasher]

Nadal's peak is higher on a fast HC than on a slow imo. He was never a fan of a "dead" court nor it suits his game.

 

[KINGROGER]

Federer :

slow HC : 94
medium fast to fast HC : 96
clay : 86
grass : 98
indoors : 96

total = 470/500

Nadal :

slow HC : 89
medium fast to fast HC : 87
clay : 100
grass : 91
indoors : 78

total = 445/500

Djokovic :

slow HC : 94
medium fast to fast HC : 91
clay : 84
grass : 91
indoors : 92

total = 452/500

Agree except I’d put Nole a point ahead of Federer for slow HC.

 

[jonnyhomeboy9851]

Nadal:

Slow HC - 89/100
Fast HC - 89/100
Clay - 100/100
Grass - 93/100
Indoor HC - 80/100

Federer
slow HC - 94/100
Fast HC - 97/100
Clay - 93/100
Grass - 99/100
Indoor HC - 98/100

Djokovic - Slow HC 100/100
Fast HC - 95/100
Clay - 95/100
Grass - 97/100
Indoor HC 99/100

Total:

Djokovic: 486/500
Federer: 481/500
Nadal: 451/500

My friend lmao peak djokovic world no 1 and in form has repeatdly lost to random mugs and old fed. He isnt 100 anywhere haha. If his peak is so high why does he not own a single slam or tourney the way nadal hugely does and even fed does

97 on grass was funniest and lol he has 3 USO

 

[jonnyhomeboy9851]

What the? Nadal has 2 Grand Slams on grass and 4 Grand Slams on hard courts, while Djokovic only has 1 Grand Slam on clay. And you put Djokovic a higher score on clay than Nadal on grass and hard courts? What a lack of objectivity.

2 Grand Slams on grass >>>> 1 Grand Slam on clay.

Nadal is greater on grass than Djokovic on clay.


4 : 2= 2. Nadal averages 2 titles per Grand Slam on hard courts. Djokovic only averages 1 title per Grand Slam on clay. 2 >>> 1.

Nadal is greater on hard courts than Djokovic on clay.

Plus nadal actually beat a well playing fed. Fed had multiple poor lossess that season even too mugs and was coming off 3 years consecutive domination (nadal needs break after 6 months and djok can only handle 9 months followed by a few years quiet) regardless it is a very strong win for nadal and better than djokovics vulturing

 

[abmk]

Nadal:

Slow HC - 89/100
Fast HC - 89/100
Clay - 100/100
Grass - 93/100
Indoor HC - 80/100

Federer
slow HC - 94/100
Fast HC - 97/100
Clay - 93/100
Grass - 99/100
Indoor HC - 98/100

Djokovic - Slow HC 100/100
Fast HC - 95/100
Clay - 95/100
Grass - 97/100
Indoor HC 99/100

Total:

Djokovic: 486/500
Federer: 481/500
Nadal: 451/500

LOL @ djoko slow HC being perfect and > fed grass
and at djoko indoors > fed indoors

that's just hilariously delusional.

djok fast HC > fed on slow HC ?
djoko grass > nadal grass by 4 points ?

 

[abmk]

Agree except I’d put Nole a point ahead of Federer for slow HC.

fair enough, though I don't agree.
For peak level, I'd put them equal.
For prime level, I'd put Djoko ahead by a point like you did.

 

[KINGROGER]

fair enough, though I don't agree.
For peak level, I'd put them equal.
For prime level, I'd put Djoko ahead by a point like you did.

04,05,07 AO fed being peak level?

 

[abmk]

04,05,07 AO fed being peak level?

at the AO ? yes.

 

[BrokenGears]

I love how people just deem RA as slow

It’s not. There’s a reason why Fed only 1 slam on slow HC after courts slowed down

Djokovic has 9 slow HC slams and even if I give 4 AOs to Fed that’s still a huge difference

Fed fans list are ******** as well

 

[BrokenGears]

Nadal :
Slow HC 92/100
Fast HC 88/100
Clay 100/100
Grass 91/100
Indoor HC 80/100

Federer

Slow HC 94/100
Fast HC 97/100
Clay. 90/100
Grass. 98/100
Indoor HC. 97/100

Djokovic

Slow. HC. 98/100
Fast HC 92/100
Clay 93/100
Grass. 94/100
Indoor HC 97/100

 

[Rafa4GOAT]

We had a similar thread a while ago, so I’ll just give a similar answer:

Nadal:
Peak HC (slow): 95/100
Peak HC (fast): 90/100
Peak Grass: 95/100
Peak Clay: 150/100
Peak Indoor: 86/100

Djoko:
Peak HC (slow): 95/100
Peak HC (fast): 99/100
Peak Grass: 93/100
Peak Clay: 90/100
Peak Indoor: 91/100

Fedr:
Peak HC (slow): 90/100
Peak HC (fast): 95/100
Peak Grass: 97/100
Peak Clay: 84/100
Peak indoor: 96/100

Totals:
Nadal: 516/500 (mainly clay)
Djoko: 468/500
Fedr: 462/500

 

[SuperSpinner]

LOL, at these idiots putting Nole above Fed on clay when talking about peak level. Yeah sure overall average level is higher, but we actually have a data point. FO2011, Noel was peakiest peak and lost to post-peak Fed. 2012 Fed lost in straights and proves Fed was way off form that year. How do you know? Because if Nole's for is so so good to straight set a well playing Fed, then it would be good enough to beat Nadal, but he couldn't. Thus 2012 was because Fed was playing terribly. 2011 proved peak Fed on clay >> peak Djoko on clay.

 

[abmk]

I love how people just deem RA as slow

It’s not. There’s a reason why Fed only 1 slam on slow HC after courts slowed down

Djokovic has 9 slow HC slams and even if I give 4 AOs to Fed that’s still a huge difference

Fed fans list are ******** as well

slow here encompasses slow, medium-slow/slow-medium HC surfaces.

RA is definitely among that.

Djoko does not have 9 slow HC slams.
15 USO was not in the slow range. 11 was slower than normal, but still not at RA or plexi before 2017 range.

only 18 USO is one you could possibly classify in that range

 

[KINGROGER]

We had a similar thread a while ago, so I’ll just give a similar answer:

Nadal:
Peak HC (slow): 95/100
Peak HC (fast): 90/100
Peak Grass: 95/100
Peak Clay: 150/100
Peak Indoor: 86/100

Djoko:
Peak HC (slow): 95/100
Peak HC (fast): 99/100
Peak Grass: 93/100
Peak Clay: 90/100
Peak Indoor: 91/100

Fedr:
Peak HC (slow): 90/100
Peak HC (fast): 95/100
Peak Grass: 97/100
Peak Clay: 84/100
Peak indoor: 96/100

Totals:
Nadal: 516/500 (mainly clay)
Djoko: 468/500
Fedr: 462/500

Are you high mate?

 

[metsman]

I love how people just deem RA as slow

It’s not. There’s a reason why Fed only 1 slam on slow HC after courts slowed down

Djokovic has 9 slow HC slams and even if I give 4 AOs to Fed that’s still a huge difference

Fed fans list are ******** as well

RA might not be as slow as the slowest plexi, but it's still within the slow range of courts. Before Federer, the best players on rebound ace were Lendl, Courier, Agassi, real fast court specialists huh? Becker and Sampras won titles as well because they had very solid baseline games and did not come to net nearly as much as they usually did.

It's pretty mind boggling to me that anyone could call RA a faster surface, but I guess it's 2018. 2007 is a distant memory by now.

 

[NatF]

I love how people just deem RA as slow

It’s not. There’s a reason why Fed only 1 slam on slow HC after courts slowed down

Djokovic has 9 slow HC slams and even if I give 4 AOs to Fed that’s still a huge difference

Fed fans list are ******** as well

RA was slow, Hewitt begged the organisers for years to speed it up.

 

[jm1980]

LOL @ djoko slow HC being perfect and > fed grass
and at djoko indoors > fed indoors

that's just hilariously delusional.

djok fast HC > fed on slow HC ?
djoko grass > nadal grass by 4 points ?

Nadal even at his peak struggled on grass against mugs in the first week

In the second week the "grass" played closer to clay

I think his peak on the surface is overrated

 

[metsman]

slow here encompasses slow, medium-slow/slow-medium HC surfaces.

RA is definitely among that.

Djoko does not have 9 slow HC slams.
15 USO was not in the slow range. 11 was slower than normal, but still not at RA or plexi before 2017 range.

only 18 USO is one you could possibly classify in that range

I'd say 11-15 USO was firmly in the medium range, since 16 or 17 it has been in the slow range, but I still don't know if it's slower as some of the slower rebound ace. Obviously it's not at the level of Miami or the early 10s AO but those are the slowest conditions in history.

 

[jm1980]

If his peak is so high why does he not own a single slam or tourney the way nadal hugely does and even fed does

Because his preferred surface is also almost everyone else's preferred surface

 

[BrokenGears]

RA might not be as slow as the slowest plexi, but it's still within the slow range of courts. Before Federer, the best players on rebound ace were Lendl, Courier, Agassi, real fast court specialists huh? Becker and Sampras won titles as well because they had very solid baseline games and did not come to net nearly as much as they usually did.

It's pretty mind boggling to me that anyone could call RA a faster surface, but I guess it's 2018. 2007 is a distant memory by now.

Fine you can still call RA slow, but it wasn't as slow from 2008-2016

Still doesn't make Fed somehow equal to Djoker on slow HC

RA was slow, Hewitt begged the organisers for years to speed it up.

Fed said it got slower. Hewitt's opinion doesn't matter in this context

 

[BrokenGears]

slow here encompasses slow, medium-slow/slow-medium HC surfaces.

RA is definitely among that.

Djoko does not have 9 slow HC slams.
15 USO was not in the slow range. 11 was slower than normal, but still not at RA or plexi before 2017 range.

only 18 USO is one you could possibly classify in that range

Decoturf only plays slightly faster than Plexi, no way it qualifies as fast

 

[jonnyhomeboy9851]

Because his preferred surface is also almost everyone else's preferred surface

Lol nice try but even nadal has same no of uso achieving this in the same field as novak despite it being his worst aurface and time of year. And novak juat let a 36 and 37 year old go bCk to back wins at novaks "pet" slam... " " used as novak doesnt have a pet slam not dominant enough

 

[BrokenGears]

Lol nice try but even nadal has same no of uso. And novak juat let a 36 and 37 year old go bCk to back wins at novaks "pet" slam... " " used as novak doesnt have a pet slam not dominant enough

Only after AO sped up significantly lmao

 

[metsman]

Nadal even at his peak struggled on grass against mugs in the first week

In the second week the "grass" played closer to clay

I think his peak on the surface is overrated

Losing sets to people on grass early is not that uncommon throughout tennis history unlike today where you never face anyone particularly dangerous early most of the time. Djokovic lost sets to Stepenak multiple times and old Baghdatis. Sampras lost quite a few sets to mugs early on. Also in 06 Nadal had 1 rough match, but that one of his first 5 or so matches on grass and besides that he cruised playing a pretty quality aggressive grass court game. In 07 he was cruising before the rain threw everything off, won his first 8 sets of the tournament before the rain interfered, (and 07 Youzhny and Soderling are not exactly total mugs), and in 2010, which is the only real example of him losing a bunch of sets to mugs, that was his first tournament on grass in 2 years.

Anyways, losing sets early is not an indictment of peak level. Peak Nadal was going to come through those matches anyways, and then all that matters is how you play vs good opponents, which only happens in later rounds.

 

[jm1980]

Lol nice try but even nadal has same no of uso achieving this in the same field as novak despite it being his worst aurface and time of year. And novak juat let a 36 and 37 year old go bCk to back wins at novaks "pet" slam... " " used as novak doesnt have a pet slam not dominant enough

Nadal also had the weakest draws ever in his USO wins, coming fresh off both his semis against tired Novak in 2010 and 2014

The AO's surface speed was drastically changed in the last couple of years, it's practically a different event

 

[jonnyhomeboy9851]

Only after AO sped up significantly lmao

Novak cant beat the field at his "pet" slam when even 37 year old fed can do it back to back lol... again " " used as novak doesnt have a pet slam, not dominant enough

 

[abmk]

Decoturf only plays slightly faster than Plexi, no way it qualifies as fast

deco II before 2016 was quite clearly faster than RA or plexi before 2017. difference was significant.
deco II before 2016 was what you would call as medium-fast to fast.
"fast" classification here encompasses medium fast to fast.

 

[BrokenGears]

Novak cant beat the field at his "pet" slam when even 37 year old fed can do it back to back lol... again " " used as novak doesnt have a pet slam, not dominant enough

If Novak didn’t choke like the mug he was in 2014 AO, he would have won 6 AO slams in a row lmao

 

[NatF]

Fed said it got slower. Hewitt's opinion doesn't matter in this context

There are degrees of slowness though, RA was still slow and Hewitt's opinion on it absolutely matters if you're trying to tell us RA wasn't a slow HC...

 

[abmk]

I'd say 11-15 USO was firmly in the medium range, since 16 or 17 it has been in the slow range, but I still don't know if it's slower as some of the slower rebound ace. Obviously it's not at the level of Miami or the early 10s AO but those are the slowest conditions in history.

I'd say 12-15 were medium-fast and only 11 could called as medium.
I'd still put 11 as slightly above medium though.

16-18 , its slowed down quite a bit.
16/17 was still faster than rebound/plexi before 17, I'd say.
16 for instance, you could see the difference in Wawa's play as compared to his play on plexi from 13-15.

 

[BrokenGears]

There are degrees of slowness though, RA was still slow and Hewitt's opinion on it absolutely matters if you're trying to tell us RA wasn't a slow HC...

This is talking about Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic. Why does Hewitt’s opinion matter in this context where Fed’s(who is being talked about) opinion matters more?

 

[jonnyhomeboy9851]

If Novak didn’t choke like the mug he was in 2014 AO, he would have won 6 AO slams in a row lmao

Chokovic yeah he keeps mugging it at these critical moments e.g. could have got cygs, career slam cocked up v wawrinka, cocked up vs nadal at RG, cocked up when could have tied fed at wtf, nadal at masters got ye no 1 v murray.

Chokovic? @CYGS @ABCD @RF-18 ???

 

[NatF]

This is talking about Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic. Why does Hewitt’s opinion matter in this context where Fed’s(who is being talked about) opinion matters more?

Are you being dense intentionally? You said RA wasn't slow, surely the opinions of the players matters on that front yes? Hewitt not being Fedalovic doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to discern whether a court is slow or fast.

No one is saying RA was slower than Plexi, only that it was a slow HC.

 

[BrokenGears]

Are you being dense intentionally? You said RA wasn't slow, surely the opinions of the players matters on that front yes? Hewitt not being Fedalovic doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to discern whether a court is slow or fast.

No one is saying RA was slower than Plexi, only that it was a slow HC.

In this context we’re talking about the big 3. Fed’s opinion should matter more yes?

 

[RF-18]

LOL @ djoko slow HC being perfect and > fed grass
and at djoko indoors > fed indoors

that's just hilariously delusional.

djok fast HC > fed on slow HC ?
djoko grass > nadal grass by 4 points ?

It's really a toss up between Djokos highest level on slow HC vs Feds on grass, 1 point here and there doesn't matter too much and something I don't think you should hang up on too much.

Same as Indoors, but depends on the conditions. Still though I think Djokovic gets the nod indoors, especially cause it suits his game so much.

Overall, their highest level is pretty similar against the field on their favourite conditions and surfaces. But when we look at the surfaces they are a bit worse at, I'd say that's where Djokovic is a bit better (clay for example) and why he got a few points more than Fed in my list.

 

[abmk]

Nadal even at his peak struggled on grass against mugs in the first week

In the second week the "grass" played closer to clay

I think his peak on the surface is overrated

what metsman said.
its not like djokovic cruised through tomic/baggy in Wim 11, stepanek in 14, anderson in 15, edmund in 18 for instance.

we're talking about peak level here.
focus should be more on matches where they played really well.
would you rather focus on the Simon match in AO 16 or the fed/murray matches in AO 16 when talking about peak level ?

 

[jm1980]

what metsman said.
its not like djokovic cruised through tomic/baggy in Wim 11, stepanek in 14, anderson in 15, edmund in 18 for instance.

we're talking about peak level here.
focus should be more on matches where they played really well.
would you rather focus on the Simon match in AO 16 or the fed/murray matches in AO 16 when talking about peak level ?

Djokovic's peak level on grass is not particularly impressive, either

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

RA might not be as slow as the slowest plexi, but it's still within the slow range of courts. Before Federer, the best players on rebound ace were Lendl, Courier, Agassi, real fast court specialists huh? Becker and Sampras won titles as well because they had very solid baseline games and did not come to net nearly as much as they usually did.

Edberg 1990 AO? Was stomping the field, stopped by a sad injury. Altough Edberg at his best was fearsome on slower courts, it was clay specifically that was the problem.

 

[abmk]

It's really a toss up between Djokos highest level on slow HC vs Feds on grass, 1 point here and there doesn't matter too much and something I don't think you should hang up on too much.

its not even close to a tossup. only someone like you who didn't even watch much of peak fed can say that.
in 6 years, federer went 5 sets only 2 times from 2003-08 at Wimbledon.
djokovic in 6 years from 2011-2016 went 5 sets 6 times at the AO.

Same as Indoors, but depends on the conditions. Still though I think Djokovic gets the nod indoors, especially cause it suits his game so much.

ha ha ha ha.
fed's level at the YEC in 2010 was up there with any of djokovic's on the slower O2. (14 was his best overall IMO)
on faster indoor HC, Fed's level is clearly higher by a significant amount.

also, fed has twice the number of titles on indoor HC as Djokovic does. (25 to 12)

Overall, their highest level is pretty similar against the field on their favourite conditions and surfaces. But when we look at he surfaces they are a bit worse at, I'd say that's where Djokovic is better and why he got a few points more than Fed in my list.

yeah, yeah, more delusions.

fed on slow HC > djoko on fast HC, quite clearly, by some distance.

peak level wise,

fed at the AO (RA/plexi before 17) > djoko at the USO
fed at IW > djoko at canada
fed at Miami > djoko at Cincy

to say djoko is similar (fed grass vs slow HC djoko and indoors vs indoors ) is downright delusional.

 

[jm1980]

what metsman said.
its not like djokovic cruised through tomic/baggy in Wim 11, stepanek in 14, anderson in 15, edmund in 18 for instance.

we're talking about peak level here.
focus should be more on matches where they played really well.
would you rather focus on the Simon match in AO 16 or the fed/murray matches in AO 16 when talking about peak level ?

Djokovic's peak level on grass is not particularly impressive

I don't think either of Nadalovic have a natural grass game like Sampras, or even Fed did

 

[abmk]

Djokovic's peak level on grass is not particularly impressive, either

Djokovic's peak level on grass is not particularly impressive

I don't think either of Nadalovic have a natural grass game like Sampras, or even Fed did

which is why I them at 91 points out of 100 as compared to 98 points out of 100 for fed.
what I was pointing out was the joke of the fake fed fan putting DJokovic at 97, while putting Nadal at 93.

 

[RF-18]

its not even close to a tossup. only someone like you who didn't even watch much of peak fed can say that.
in 7 years, federer went 5 sets 3 times from 2003-09 and only once in 5 years from 2003-07 at Wimbledon.
djokovic in 6 years from 2011-2016 went 5 sets 6 times.



ha ha ha ha.
fed's level at the YEC in 2010 was up there with any of djokovic's on the slower O2.
on faster indoor HC, his level is clearly higher by a significant amount.

fed has twice the number of titles on indoor HC as Djokovic does. (25 to 12)




yeah, yeah, more delusions.

Yea I think you are overexaggerating saying not even close to similar. Lol how pathetic is that.

You go on a rampage and throw a hissy fit but then go on to say Feds highest level on slow HC is equal to that of Djokovic. You are so objective.

Twice indoor HC titles as Djokovic? Sure. At basel yes. When it comes to the major tournaments, we have Djokovic at 4 Paris titles and 5 YECs title vs feds 1 at Paris and 4 at YECs indoors.

 

[RF-18]

which is why I them at 91 points out of 100 as compared to 98 points out of 100 for fed.
what I was pointing out was the joke of the fake fed fan putting DJokovic at 97, while putting Nadal at 93.

I don't know what you think but all of Djokovic's four wimbledon titles was mighty impressive. 2011 is probably the least impressive but beating defending champion Nadal in that manner in the final was a great performance.

Djokos highest level on grass is above Nadals. But Nadal isn't too bad either, he has had some high level performances aswell.