Discussing the player of the year award

TheMaestro1990

TheMaestro1990

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Rafa has pretty much clinched the year end no.1 and deservedly so, but I’m curious to what you guys think of the following scenario:

Rafa doesn’t win Paris or WTF. Federer wins WTF. Who should the player of the year award go to?

In this scenario:

Federer: 2 GS, 3 Masters (1 additional final), WTF, 8 titles overall
Rafa: 2 GS (1 additional final), 2 Masters, 6 titles overall
 
TheMaestro1990 said:
Rafa has pretty much clinched the year end no.1 and deservedly so, but I’m curious to what you guys think of the following scenario:

Rafa doesn’t win Paris or WTF. Federer wins WTF. Who should the player of the year award go to?

In this scenario:

Federer: 2 GS, 3 Masters (1 additional final), WTF, 8 titles overall
Rafa: 2 GS (1 additional final), 2 Masters, 6 titles overall
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If Fed wins the WTF and Rafa doesn't win Paris, Fed's my player of the year.
- best winning percentage by f ar
- best record vs. the top-10 by far (a win at the WTF would take him to 16-1 or 15-2 if my count is right)
- most titles
- most big titles
- a dominant h2h vs. his closest rival
 
Doesn't matter. FEDALUNITED. Both are friends and bros. Both will be happy no matter who wins.

The amazing thing is Rafa or Fed is the player of the year again!!! A year ago NO ONE saw this coming, except their moms.

VAMOS!!!

WAR IS OVER!

rafael-nadal-joined-by-roger-federer-as-spaniard-opens-rafa-nadal-academy-in-mallorca-3.jpg
 
Chanwan said:
If Fed wins the WTF and Rafa doesn't win Paris, Fed's my player of the year.
- best winning percentage by f ar
- best record vs. the top-10 by far (a win at the WTF would take him to 16-1 or 15-2 if my count is right)
- most titles
- most big titles
- a dominant h2h vs. his closest rival
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Yeah it’s pretty much the things you mentioned versus Nadal’s full schedule season (I mean this as a positive) and his ranking points. I would lean towards Federer, as I would see him as the player to beat really. But I certainly understand the perspective of Rafa being the player of the year as well. An additional slam final is pretty huge imo.
 
TahoeTennis said:
Doesn't matter. FEDALUNITED. Both are friends and bros. Both will be happy no matter who wins.

The amazing thing is Rafa or Fed is the player of the year again!!! A year ago NO ONE saw this coming, except their moms.

VAMOS!!!

WAR IS OVER!

rafael-nadal-joined-by-roger-federer-as-spaniard-opens-rafa-nadal-academy-in-mallorca-3.jpg
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Maybe not important, but fun to discuss nonetheless. Hearing different perspectives of things is always useful.
 
Player of the year is Fed if he gets the WTF.

ITF player should be Rafa.

Fed would have played 15 tournaments all year while Rafa would have 18. Not so much difference if you ask me.

Fed lost just 4 matches all year - 2 of them were he held MP and 2 where he was injured. So, he has not even suffered even one ACTUAL loss.

Fed is also the Laver Cup MVP.
 
tennisaddict said:
Player of the year is Fed if he gets the WTF.

ITF player should be Rafa.

Fed would have played 15 tournaments all year while Rafa would have 18. Not so much difference if you ask me.

Fed lost just 4 matches all year - 2 of them were he held MP and 2 where he was injured. So, he has not even suffered even one ACTUAL loss.

Fed is also the Laver Cup MVP.
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Federer will play only 12 tournaments this year-AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Stuttgart, Halle, Wimbledon, Montreal, USO, Shanghai, Basel and WTF.
 
tennisaddict said:
Player of the year is Fed if he gets the WTF.

ITF player should be Rafa.

Fed would have played 15 tournaments all year while Rafa would have 18. Not so much difference if you ask me.

Fed lost just 4 matches all year - 2 of them were he held MP and 2 where he was injured. So, he has not even suffered even one ACTUAL loss.

Fed is also the Laver Cup MVP.
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Losing with wasting MPs are still losses. Although closes ones, certainly. Safe to say Federer hasn’t been outplayed even once this season when not injured.
 
User123 said:
Federer will play only 12 tournaments this year-AO, Dubai, IW, Miami, Stuttgart, Halle, Wimbledon, Montreal, USO, Shanghai, Basel and WTF.
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You are right. Fed should have played 1 clay masters and RG.

Nevertheless, he is the player of the year as he has played significant portion of the year. If Fed had fluffed in R2 and R3 in clay season, he could have made points to get No 1 and everything but the W-L would be the same.
 
ITF(unless Moet&Chandon bougt them in the meantime ) designates a World Champion each year based on performances throughout the year, emphasising the Grand Slam tournaments, also considering team events such as the Davis Cup
tennisaddict said:
Player of the year is Fed if he gets the WTF.

ITF player should be Rafa.

Fed would have played 15 tournaments all year while Rafa would have 18. Not so much difference if you ask me.

Fed lost just 4 matches all year - 2 of them were he held MP and 2 where he was injured. So, he has not even suffered even one ACTUAL loss.

Fed is also the Laver Cup MVP.
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It's surprising that you don't know that there are YE No1 player (based on ranking) and ITF World Champion (known as Player of the Year award). Oh wait, it's not.
 
TheMaestro1990 said:
Rafa has pretty much clinched the year end no.1 and deservedly so, but I’m curious to what you guys think of the following scenario:

Rafa doesn’t win Paris or WTF. Federer wins WTF. Who should the player of the year award go to?

In this scenario:

Federer: 2 GS, 3 Masters (1 additional final), WTF, 8 titles overall
Rafa: 2 GS (1 additional final), 2 Masters, 6 titles overall
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Has to be Nadal. Most complete player across all surfaces. Ultimately professional sport is brutal. Federer elected through choice to avoid the entire clay court swing and that decision has come back to bite in terms of player of year accolades. Whether Federer cares is another matter entirely. He has his own priorities and YE1 for him may be lower than WTF. Of course he now has put pressure on himself to win WTF.

Player of the year is Nadal, comeback player of year is Federer. No real debate.
 
KINGROGER said:
Depends on WTF. If Fed wins then clearly player of the year. Rafa number 1 ranked - rightfully so.

3 masters each but Fed with WTF, overwhelming H2H domination > extra slam final.

If Rafa wins WTF it goes to him.
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Hmmm h2h suddenly a factor? Not helping Federers cause in GOAT debate is it really. Still a massive 23-15 lead to Nadal.

Player of the year is always the YE1. That's why they introduced the race!
 
If Federer wins WTF, and Nadal also doesn't win Paris or WTF I would say Federer wins player of the year, regardless of rankings points. There is a precedent for this. I am positive that either Becker was YE No. 1 the year another player won POTY, or Becker won POTY while not Y.E. No. 1 (can't remember which).

If Nadal wins Paris, all bets are off. He finishes YE No. 1 and is unequivocally player of the year, too.

We watch with interest........
 
KINGROGER said:
Depends on WTF. If Fed wins then clearly player of the year. Rafa number 1 ranked - rightfully so.

3 masters each but Fed with WTF, overwhelming H2H domination > extra slam final.

If Rafa wins WTF it goes to him.
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Never thought Nadal already won Paris this year. He should try to take it but it is his worst masters tournament historically.
 
Federer is clearly the best player of the season in terms of level.
His actual tennis has been easily the best of anyone, and it's showed every time he's played Nadal (and everyone else). I think he has one Top 10 loss for the year to date.

Both have benefited from a shallow field, but Federer has beaten Nadal every time they've met. And only one was even close. Combine that with Fed having won more hardware and more big titles (at least to date), and it's very, very difficult to claim that Nadal has been the *best* player on tour.

How even could you? There's a guy who has won more and has beaten him every time. I mean come on. If you had to pick a player to play for your life from this year, anyone with a brain is picking Federer hands down.

Nadal has been the more consistent through all tournaments though and has played a full calendar, hence the ranking. Which is deserved.
 
KINGROGER said:
Depends on WTF. If Fed wins then clearly player of the year. Rafa number 1 ranked - rightfully so.

3 masters each but Fed with WTF, overwhelming H2H domination > extra slam final.

If Rafa wins WTF it goes to him.
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Nadal has won only 2 Masters this year - Monte Carlo and Madrid. Not 3.
 
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User123 said:
Federer is the player of the year. Head to head 4-0 to him. Just 4 loses in a year. What doubts could there be?
Credit to Nadal for improving his form after that terrible 2014-2016 seasons. But he wasn't the best player this year. We need to be fair.
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You need to stop posing as a Rafa fan and spewing nonsensical posts day after day.
 
No. 1 Nadal
POTY - Nadal

Unless Nadal completely bombs Paris and WTF. Just needs solid redults in either.

Federer might be the most dangerous player on tour but Nadal resume is much stronger this year. Federer missing FO and just QF at USO hurt against RU and 4RD. They're pretty even at Masters with Fed 3 v 2 both making 4 Finals. Nadal has participated in all getting 4RU and QF.
Can't give it to Federer missing so much either from choice or injury. A WTF isn't enough to miss a Major.
 
I'm a Fed fan, but as someone who defended Fed all those years with his losing H2H with Nadal, I can't suddenly "use" the 2017-H2H to his advantage. Yeah, 4-0 is impressive, especially against your biggest rival and worst matchup, but H2H only means so much, where titles matter a lot more. Nadal was the better player this year, simply because he won more titles and matches, earned more ranking points, and dominated the clay season. Federer can still turn out superior if he wins Paris or WTF, but its unlikely Nadal won't finish the year at #1.
 
Magnus said:
I'm a Fed fan, but as someone who defended Fed all those years with his losing H2H with Nadal, I can't suddenly "use" the 2017-H2H to his advantage. Yeah, 4-0 is impressive, especially against your biggest rival and worst matchup, but H2H only means so much, where titles matter a lot more. Nadal was the better player this year, simply because he won more titles and matches, earned more ranking points, and dominated the clay season. Federer can still turn out superior if he wins Paris or WTF, but its unlikely Nadal won't finish the year at #1.
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Agree with you but Federer has more titles atm
 
Noelan said:
In both scenarios it will be Nadal. Deservedly
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I agree. Fed is my favourite player but it’s asinine to turn the whole “consistency” argument around after almost 12 years of supporting it. I can mindbend with the best of them but even I can’t handle the faulty logic.

Nadal has been the most consistent in 2017 by virtue of having gone deeper in more tournaments than Fed.

It’s the same argument I would use for why Fed is GOAT inspite of the H2H with Nadal.
 
Nadal fans have spent years arguing that the head to head justifies claims that Nadal is greater than Federer despite Federer being vastly more accomplished overall in titles, rankings etc etc.

But in 2017 when their accomplishments are pretty close but Nadal has more ranking points Federer's complete and utter domination of Nadal in their matches is somehow now irrelevant.

Typical. No surprise at all they're become h2h deniers just when it suits their guy.
 
GaryRoy2017 said:
Hmmm h2h suddenly a factor? Not helping Federers cause in GOAT debate is it really. Still a massive 23-15 lead to Nadal.

Player of the year is always the YE1. That's why they introduced the race!
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There is never a debate with you Gary when the GOAT is in discussion. No matter what Federer has, be it more slams, weeks at No1, YE #1s, ATP titles etc, Nadal is GOAT.
 
If the WTF goes as expected and Rafa doesn't win Paris, it's easily Federer and I don't think it's even that close, considering the number of tournaments they've played and what they won.

Rafa gets a deserved World no. 1 ranking, there is absolutely no question about it. He worked really hard for it. However, he most certainly hasn't been the (best) player of the year. For once the ************* gets a chance to actually legitimately use a H2H metric when both players' achievements are objectively very close, but now for some reason they don't want to use it. This is irony at it's finest.
 
The "Nadal played the whole season" argument is always funny. Yes because of that he's number 1, and well-deserved btw. But doesn't that argument speaks more on how Federer has simply been the best player the whole season when he's had more titles/bigger titles and a winning h2h WHILE not playing almost a third of the season.
 
GaryRoy2017 said:
Hmmm h2h suddenly a factor? Not helping Federers cause in GOAT debate is it really. Still a massive 23-15 lead to Nadal.

Player of the year is always the YE1. That's why they introduced the race!
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Remove clay from that equation and Fed is way ahead. And remove the French and Nadal’s career and he is basically Andy Murray. Give me a break.

Also Fed did it all without Roids and Fed is obviously the better player this year. Every single stat confirms this with the exception that he didn’t troll for ranking points. Murray was #1 last year. Did anyone think for one second he was the best player? Of course not. That is a volume race. Nothing to do with quality. Not to mention Murray ruining the draw at the US Open.
 
Chanwan said:
If Fed wins the WTF and Rafa doesn't win Paris, Fed's my player of the year.
- best winning percentage by f ar
- best record vs. the top-10 by far (a win at the WTF would take him to 16-1 or 15-2 if my count is right)
- most titles
- most big titles
- a dominant h2h vs. his closest rival
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I feel pretty much the same. Added to this is;

- Federer being the clear best player on two surfaces
- Winning the most competitive slam (the AO) while the USO was pretty depleted

Will probably rub some people up the wrong way but nevermind.

Nadal will have a good argument of course based off the rankings and getting the most points in majors - that third slam final is a big deal to me.
 
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