Disruptive Heavy Spin AND Control????

mnttlrg

Semi-Pro
I am curious if people have found rackets where they can reliably hit with big disruptive spin and control / precision. My definition of control is controlling the height, depth, and placement of the ball with clean strikes.

I tend to find most rackets either doing one or the other. Some rackets have great control and hit big heavy balls that are flat.... other rackets are built for easy spin, but are wimpy, flingy, launchy, unreliable etc.

I have only ever found a handful of rackets that I feel I can trust to have both qualities.

What about you? Where have you been able to find that combination, or haven't you yet?
 

emhtennis

New User
Angell rackets do all 3 better than most.

But a lot of it depends on technique. Racket head speed without your hips and a heavier racket will leave a 'hollow ball' that wont move thru the court.

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1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
-yonex vcore.pro frames with 16/20 patterns do the trick for me!
-not easy to find 18/20 frames with the easy spin of a 16 mains racquet!
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Let’s see what happens with the playtest reviews of the Dunlop SX series. The intriguing thing about the SX is unlike typical spin racquets like the Pure Aero, the string spacing is very dense in the center and the swing weight is surprisingly high. Let’s see if the play testers notice any extra precision or control versus a more typical spin setup.
 
I am curious if people have found rackets where they can reliably hit with big disruptive spin and control / precision. My definition of control is controlling the height, depth, and placement of the ball with clean strikes.

I tend to find most rackets either doing one or the other. Some rackets have great control and hit big heavy balls that are flat.... other rackets are built for easy spin, but are wimpy, flingy, launchy, unreliable etc.

I have only ever found a handful of rackets that I feel I can trust to have both qualities.

What about you? Where have you been able to find that combination, or haven't you yet?
If you are good enough to get all 3 of those things, then you can probably do it with most racquets.

That said, I would say dense patterns, midplus headsize, very high swingweight, and well-tuned balance are most important to achieving a combination of heavy-spin and good precision/control.
 

Deki

Rookie
YTIG Prestige Pro with Cyclone 1.25! Great directional control with good spin too. My opponents said that in many cases they thought that the ball will go out but in last moment fall down inside the line!
This setup works very well!
 
I hit a lot of spin with my Heard Speedo Pro 360 and have good control. It’s an 18x20 but has a more open pattern. I hit with lots of spin and power on groundstrokes and serves. But the racquet is also good at flattening shots when I want.

I string my racquets full bed with Technifibre Ice Code at 47 or Wilson Revolve Spin at 47.

My previous racquet was a Pure Strike Project 17 and the transition was seamless. It’s a bit less powered than the P17 but bigger sweet spot.


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AJvR

Rookie
I still have to hit some time in the near future with an 18 x 16 Blade 98S, strung up with BBO or similar, curious to the balance between power, control and spin.
 

Tmano

Professional
Just look at Nadal. I think is spin is more than disruptive but most of the balls used to lend short a few years ago, now deeper thought.
Nadal is one example but there are many players that hit with great amount of spin and the balls still lend half court.
What I'm saying is that it's more about how you hit/ technique and also with which grip you hold the racquet.
Some racquets and string pattern enhance the spin, some not that much but to achieve both I believe it's more about adjusting the way you play and being able to decide when go deeper or a little shorter.
 

beltsman

Legend
I am curious if people have found rackets where they can reliably hit with big disruptive spin and control / precision. My definition of control is controlling the height, depth, and placement of the ball with clean strikes.

I tend to find most rackets either doing one or the other. Some rackets have great control and hit big heavy balls that are flat.... other rackets are built for easy spin, but are wimpy, flingy, launchy, unreliable etc.

I have only ever found a handful of rackets that I feel I can trust to have both qualities.

What about you? Where have you been able to find that combination, or haven't you yet?
It's hard to find because they are usually inverse properties, but my favorite spin+control combo is the 360 Extreme, followed by the Angell TC100. The PCG100 as well, but it doesn't have the power of the others.

Extreme (out of 10)
Control: 8
Spin: 9
Power: 8.5

TC100
Control: 7.5
Spin: 10
Power: 8

PCG100
Control: 8.5
Spin: 8.5
Power: 5
 

golden chicken

Professional
Just look at Nadal. I think is spin is more than disruptive but most of the balls used to lend short a few years ago, now deeper thought.
Nadal is one example but there are many players that hit with great amount of spin and the balls still lend half court.
What I'm saying is that it's more about how you hit/ technique and also with which grip you hold the racquet.
Some racquets and string pattern enhance the spin, some not that much but to achieve both I believe it's more about adjusting the way you play and being able to decide when go deeper or a little shorter.
But if you ever left him that tiny corner of the court to hit a running banana forehand, he'll drop the ball on a dime a good amount of the time.

Wizard>wand
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Regardless of the racquet Isn’t the whole point of spin to control the ball vs blasting flat missiles that float long?
 

Tmano

Professional
Regardless of the racquet Isn’t the whole point of spin to control the ball vs blasting flat missiles that float long?
I'm not sure.
Maybe for us recreational players yes but for high level players it might be simply the way they play.
 
I am curious if people have found rackets where they can reliably hit with big disruptive spin and control / precision. My definition of control is controlling the height, depth, and placement of the ball with clean strikes.
Rafa plays with a thick beam 100sq" APD and can do all of that.

Fed played with a thin beam 90sq" Pro Staff and can do all of that as well.

It's not the racquet, it's what you're used to and what you do with it.
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
Regardless of the racquet Isn’t the whole point of spin to control the ball vs blasting flat missiles that float long?
no.

control can be induced from spin, but that requires greater margins: higher clearance above net, further away from lines. Usually coming in combo of bigger head size, open pattern and western grip.
control can be directional, that relies less on spin. Usually has something to do with closed string pattern
 

blai212

Professional
+1 for vcore pro line
I found that the VCP 97 was too difficult for me to hit sweetspot consistently but the VCP 100 feels just right. For reference, I am a hard hitting 4.5 aggressive baseliner. Also, I added 1g lead tape at 10/2 plus another 5g on grip and replaced original grip with a heavy replacement grip (wilson shock shield). Last of all, since VCP is a more control oriented racquet, I use cyclone tour 16g mains with SPPP 17L crosses @44/42 for power and it feels great. VCP is a point and shoot racquet...ball just goes wherever I want


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Dansan

Rookie
I'm winning more matches since I've switched to the V3 TC95 63RA 16x19. Big spin, power, and control. I was using an RF97A. It has more control than the RF, and more spin.
 
The racket might make a hypothetical 5% difference in spin, your technique can make a much larger difference. Open string patterns for me change the launch angle, not the spin so much. I get equal or better spin than most of my opponents with a closed pattern racket. Yonex vcore pros are great. I have a couple playing partners that use crazy clay court style spin with Bab Pure Aero, but it's their extreme grip and whooshy-whip swing that is doing the spinning, not so much the open pattern.

demo---Vcores, Bab Strikes, Headh Speed Pro, RF 97
 

joah310

Semi-Pro
What are you stringing yours with? I've got a full bed of velocity now. NXT was way too powerful.
I have the blx black and red ones. They have a leather grip and 2 grams each at 10 and 2. I have one strung with ashaway crossfire zx(kevlar and zylon monogut) at 60#/50#. I also liked it when I strung it with teir 1 firewire boost 18.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
I am curious if people have found rackets where they can reliably hit with big disruptive spin and control / precision. My definition of control is controlling the height, depth, and placement of the ball with clean strikes.

I tend to find most rackets either doing one or the other. Some rackets have great control and hit big heavy balls that are flat.... other rackets are built for easy spin, but are wimpy, flingy, launchy, unreliable etc.

I have only ever found a handful of rackets that I feel I can trust to have both qualities.

What about you? Where have you been able to find that combination, or haven't you yet?
Prince Phantom Pro 93P, 14x18.

Ridiculous spin. Top notch control. No free power, though, you better be strong.
 

Cayenne321

New User
360 extreme MP with a tight bed of soft poly and modern western strokes has impressive control for the destructive spin in produces. I've been serve and volleying with mine lately and for the type of frame it is, it's surprising how easy it is to pin point volleys or touch drop volleys.
 

Kevo

Legend
A racquet and string combo that provides good control is my starting point. I have yet to find a racquet that can't produce adequate spin. If I go too high in swing weight it does get tiresome especially on serve, so I draw the line at too heavy, but other than that I can hit with and adjust to pretty much any frame. I think strings are critical for control though. There are lots of good options out there, but it's also not that hard to find strings that can hurt your consistency of shot.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
A racquet and string combo that provides good control is my starting point. I have yet to find a racquet that can't produce adequate spin. If I go too high in swing weight it does get tiresome especially on serve, so I draw the line at too heavy, but other than that I can hit with and adjust to pretty much any frame. I think strings are critical for control though. There are lots of good options out there, but it's also not that hard to find strings that can hurt your consistency of shot.
I've found a few.

Most racquets can produce a lot of spin these days, though.
 

Kevo

Legend
I've found a few.
Care to name any specific ones?

I found I could hit pretty heavy spin even with the old 65" wood frames. It's definitely tricky on certain shots because there is so little room for error, but I could hit every shot, even kick serves. I will admit that the kick serves and the 1HBH were way more prone to framing than using a bigger stick, but the string pattern on those old frames is quite dense given the small head size. If I'm not mistaken it was more dense than my PC95 with an 18x20. I'd be very surprised to find a frame that was actually difficult to get some good spin with, but I'm open to the possibility. I'd love to try such a frame out if I could get my hands on one just to experience the effect first hand.
 

joah310

Semi-Pro
Care to name any specific ones?

I found I could hit pretty heavy spin even with the old 65" wood frames. It's definitely tricky on certain shots because there is so little room for error, but I could hit every shot, even kick serves. I will admit that the kick serves and the 1HBH were way more prone to framing than using a bigger stick, but the string pattern on those old frames is quite dense given the small head size. If I'm not mistaken it was more dense than my PC95 with an 18x20. I'd be very surprised to find a frame that was actually difficult to get some good spin with, but I'm open to the possibility. I'd love to try such a frame out if I could get my hands on one just to experience the effect first hand.
My woodies are all 18x20
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
Care to name any specific ones?

I found I could hit pretty heavy spin even with the old 65" wood frames. It's definitely tricky on certain shots because there is so little room for error, but I could hit every shot, even kick serves. I will admit that the kick serves and the 1HBH were way more prone to framing than using a bigger stick, but the string pattern on those old frames is quite dense given the small head size. If I'm not mistaken it was more dense than my PC95 with an 18x20. I'd be very surprised to find a frame that was actually difficult to get some good spin with, but I'm open to the possibility. I'd love to try such a frame out if I could get my hands on one just to experience the effect first hand.
My old Youtek Radical MP IG 18x20 I found very difficult to produce heavy spin with, for example.

Moderate spin was easy, but it was hard to give the ball some real venom.
 
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