Distribution of points between surfaces?

[torpantennis]

Let's assume a surface-specialist top player on the 2014 ATP World tour. He won't enter into that many 250s, but will play all slams, all 1000s, and four 500s. This is how the surface specialists could choose their schedules and most important tournaments:

Outdoor HCs:
AO: 2000
Dubai: 500
IW: 1000
Miami: 1000
Washington: 500
Canada: 1000
Cinci: 1000
USO: 2000
Beijing: 500
Shanghai: 1000

Total: 10500

Clay:
Rio: 500
Monte Carlo: 1000
Barcelona: 500
Madrid: 1000
Rome: 1000
RG: 2000
Hamburg: 500

Total: 6500

Grass:
Wimby: 2000

Total: 2000

Indoors:
Rotterdam: 500
Basel: 500
Paris: 1000
WTF: 1500

Total: 3500

So ATP basically thinks, that the importance of the surfaces should be:
Outdoor HC: 47%
Clay: 29%
Grass: 9%
Indoors: 15%

Anybody think the tour is skewed by the Spanish and American federations? Those are the two nations, that tend to produce players that can only play on either clay or outdoor HCs. :evil:

What do you think the distribution of points should be, surface by surface? Is that 47%-29%-9%-15% OK as is?

 

[Chico]

Yes. Tennis is in better shape than ever. More spectators, and more money than ever. There are good reasons the things are the way they are.

Only some whiners on this site without fully understanding the big picture want to change it for the worse all the time.

 

[SpinToWin]

Yes. Tennis is in better shape than ever. More spectators, and more money than ever. There are good reasons the things are the way they are.

Only some whiners on this site without fully understanding the big picture want to change it for the worse all the time.

Oh the irony... I can't :lol:

 

[Mr.Snrub]

Yes. Tennis is in better shape than ever. More spectators, and more money than ever. There are good reasons the things are the way they are.

Only some whiners on this site without fully understanding the big picture want to change it for the worse all the time.

You forgot best and most dominant and most popular number 1 ever*.



















*When Federer overtakes Djokovic in a couple weeks.

 

[easywin]

I'd like more clay and grass.
Now I'm biased towards clay because thats what I usually play on but I feel like natural surfaces are somehow better to watch ... can't really decide whats that all about though.

I think grass should have a bigger time frame than it has now but it is also very clear that grass is an expensive surface and no player grows up playing on grass. Indoors propably has to stay how it is now because of weather and stuff - so if we keep 15% indoors at the end of the season, I'd go for 35/35/15/15.

 

[torpantennis]

I'd like more clay and grass.
Now I'm biased towards clay because thats what I usually play on but I feel like natural surfaces are somehow better to watch ... can't really decide whats that all about though.

I think grass should have a bigger time frame than it has now but it is also very clear that grass is an expensive surface and no player grows up playing on grass. Indoors propably has to stay how it is now because of weather and stuff - so if we keep 15% indoors at the end of the season, I'd go for 35/35/15/15.

I agree, clay is a surface where so many players play, so it is a very relevant surface. Grass OTOH, how many of us has ever played on grass? I haven't!

But indoors, it is a VERY RELEVANT surface. SO many players have developed their game indoors. I play almost half a year indoors, and IMO it's the surface where everybody tends to play their very best. No wind or sun to distract the rhythm, a predictable and relatively low bounce that favors aggressive playing. Indoors is really the most difficult surface to win on. In order to succeed you have to have the whole all-court game, even at rec level! On clay, it's so much easier to play. I can just moonball and hit topspin all day, and that gives success. But indoors, that game would be punished immediately.

So I think that indoors should have a higher priority. Grass should be marginal as it is. So something like: 30-30-10-30, that'd be perfect to develop some variety into the game.

 

[Gary Duane]

Let's assume a surface-specialist top player on the 2014 ATP World tour. He won't enter into that many 250s, but will play all slams, all 1000s, and four 500s. This is how the surface specialists could choose their schedules and most important tournaments:

Outdoor HCs:
AO: 2000
Dubai: 500
IW: 1000
Miami: 1000
Washington: 500
Canada: 1000
Cinci: 1000
USO: 2000
Beijing: 500
Shanghai: 1000

Total: 10500

Clay:
Rio: 500
Monte Carlo: 1000
Barcelona: 500
Madrid: 1000
Rome: 1000
RG: 2000
Hamburg: 500

Total: 6500

Grass:
Wimby: 2000

Total: 2000

Indoors:
Rotterdam: 500
Basel: 500
Paris: 1000
WTF: 1500

Total: 3500

So ATP basically thinks, that the importance of the surfaces should be:
Outdoor HC: 47%
Clay: 29%
Grass: 9%
Indoors: 15%

Anybody think the tour is skewed by the Spanish and American federations? Those are the two nations, that tend to produce players that can only play on either clay or outdoor HCs. :evil:

What do you think the distribution of points should be, surface by surface? Is that 47%-29%-9%-15% OK as is?

Why did you not add Queen's Club? It's only 250, but a lot of players use it to tune up for Wimbledon...

 

[torpantennis]

Why did you not add Queen's Club? It's only 250, but a lot of players use it to tune up for Wimbledon...

I dropped all 250s, they're not relevant to top player points. If they were all included, grass would have even less of a weight!

My suggestion, to get more fast court conditions: Shanghai strictly under the roof.

 

[North]

Switch the clay and grass percentages and it would be fine.

 

[SpinToWin]

IMHO it should be balanced in order to account for all playstyles. Break the season up into quarters with each quarter having its own Slam dedicated to it. It would make for a much more interesting build up and season in general IMO (it will never happen though )

25% HC, 25% Clay, 25% Grass, 25% Indoor.

 

[Aretium]

I agree with above. I would like Aus Open as it is, Us open and Wimb sped up slightly. Also would Wimby benefit from not using centre court until quarter finals?

 

[Deleted member 688153]

You forgot best and most dominant and most popular number 1 ever*.



















*When Federer overtakes Djokovic in a couple weeks.

:lol: :lol: :grin:

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Yes. Tennis is in better shape than ever. More spectators, and more money than ever. There are good reasons the things are the way they are.

Only some whiners on this site without fully understanding the big picture want to change it for the worse all the time.

Please, do continue.

What's wrong with adding more variety?
Is it because Djoker would be screwed if that happened?

Look what happened in Shanghai. They sped up the surface just a bit, and the rest is history.

When's that Cincy title coming?

 

[torpantennis]

IMHO it should be balanced in order to account for all playstyles. Break the season up into quarters with each quarter having its own Slam dedicated to it. It would make for a much more interesting build up and season in general IMO (it will never happen though )

25% HC, 25% Clay, 25% Grass, 25% Indoor.

Really, this smaller tournaments building up to the biggest tournament of the sub-season: Why is the Asian HC swing mostly played outdoors? The biggest tournament after USO is the WTF (indoors), so everything between USO and WTF should be indoors.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Really, this smaller tournaments building up to the biggest tournament of the sub-season: Why is the Asian HC swing mostly played outdoors? The biggest tournament after USO is the WTF (indoors), so everything between USO and WTF should be indoors.

Because of weak homogenized baseline-basher era.
It has to be like that or they lose to Robredo in the 3R.

 

[SpinToWin]

I agree with above. I would like Aus Open as it is, Us open and Wimb sped up slightly. Also would Wimby benefit from not using centre court until quarter finals?

The court's quality would benefit from it, but the tournament wouldn't financially, which means it won't happen. I'm curious as to whether they could grow patches of grass and replace the court with them after week 1. That would reduce the wear at least a bit.

 

[Bartelby]

The original idea for the Brazil Olympics was that it would be outdoor hard court and that the Rio 500 would be played on it after the Olympics.