Interesting, today in the USC match against Louisville, there's a big shuffling in the doubles... Johnson/Sarmiento playing #1 whereas Johnson was playing at #3 before, and Poldma/Sundling playing #3 whereas they were playing #2 before in the tournament... Is that a case of Stacking up? It thought this was not permitted.
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socaltennnis
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Good question, which I hope I can give a good answer to. Some of this is in reference to my previous post about how doubles lineup changes are alittle different than singles lineup changes.
USC's doubles lineup coming into the tournament is:
1. Johnson/Sarmiento
2. Nguyen/Gomez
3. Poldma/Sundling
Basically, Sarmiento was subbed out in the last 2 doubles matches (he had also retired in his singles match versus Duke as well). The combination of Johnson/Grant = a new team, and therefore the coach can put them whereever he believes the team fits in the lineup, with the condition that the opposing coach agrees.
Today versus Louisville, Johnson/Sarmiento are playing together at #1 as intended in their initial lineup submission.
USC's doubles lineup coming into the tournament is:
1. Johnson/Sarmiento
2. Nguyen/Gomez
3. Poldma/Sundling
Basically, Sarmiento was subbed out in the last 2 doubles matches (he had also retired in his singles match versus Duke as well). The combination of Johnson/Grant = a new team, and therefore the coach can put them whereever he believes the team fits in the lineup, with the condition that the opposing coach agrees.
Today versus Louisville, Johnson/Sarmiento are playing together at #1 as intended in their initial lineup submission.
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Newby
Semi-Pro
An extremely tight one between UCLA and Florida right now, match score tied at 3-3. Can freshman Clay Thompson clinch it for the Bruins again as he did against Baylor?
On another note, Bruin freshman star Daniel Kosakowski scores a huge straight-sets upset against #9 Alexandre Lacroix, who took out Stanford's Bradley Klahn the other day. Looks like Daniel was out for blood today after falling to two top tier players in Austen Childs and Rhyne Williams the last two days.
Stanford and USC shouldn't brush UCLA out of contention so easily. They're really going to be stiff competition for the PAC-10 title this year even without Nick Meister.
On another note, Bruin freshman star Daniel Kosakowski scores a huge straight-sets upset against #9 Alexandre Lacroix, who took out Stanford's Bradley Klahn the other day. Looks like Daniel was out for blood today after falling to two top tier players in Austen Childs and Rhyne Williams the last two days.
Stanford and USC shouldn't brush UCLA out of contention so easily. They're really going to be stiff competition for the PAC-10 title this year even without Nick Meister.
Satsuma Florida
Rookie
So much for that. UCLA beats Florida 4-3. It looks like Lacroix mailed it in today. 8-2 loss in the doubles and straight set loss to 63rd ranked player.
Florida did good to beat Stanford but they are a Sweet Sixteen team at best this year.
Florida did good to beat Stanford but they are a Sweet Sixteen team at best this year.
Often, the LiveStats guy will type in the original lineup, the ITA official will be notified of the lineup change. the LiveStats guy will get the word at the last minute.
Georgia takes the doubles point over Stanford. LiveStats here.
UCLA will be a stronger team as the season goes on. Kosak is a good player but I don't expect him to beat top players like Johnson or Klahn. Kosak beat Lacroix today is a great result, but his consistency has been poor. He lost 3 or 4 matches straight in the last couple weeks.
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
Thacher down to a quick 2-0 deficit. We will see how this goes :/
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
Everyone is on serve besides Hirshman who is up 3-0 and Thacher 0-3. Thacher can hopefully get the break back.
Newby
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He's a freshman and he's still getting acclimated to having play the more experienced top players of other teams. His one handed backhand seems to be a little bit of a liability when he returns and it often puts him in a defensive position, but boy does he have some heavy first serves and forehands.
I agree that he would definitely be the underdog against Klahn and Johnson even with the added experience to be gained by the time they meet later in the spring. However don't forget that he took Steve Johnson to a third set tiebreak and nearly won the match when they played at the Sherwood Cup a few weeks back. He's very dangerous when he's on.
I can't wait to see UCLA's team next year with the addition of Marcos Giron, Dennis Mkrtchian and the return of Nick Meister.
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
Stanford is down 2-1 but Clayton is looking impressive from the scores. Good comeback from Klahn in the first set.
Fedace
Banned
Can matt Kandath be the Hero of the day ???
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
I was just thinking he will have to win his match.
DownTheLine
Hall of Fame
WOw that sucks for Clayton!!! Didn't even get to finish his match and he was about to win against a 31 ranked guy!
Jakes On A Plane
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Klahn doesn't look too injured to me. No player can avoid a bad streak, and that's exactly what it was.
I thought the same thing! Really sucks. I guess they don't even let players finish their match for scheduling reasons, but come on, he was one game away.
Another day, another Stanford loss to a team that isn't so highly ranked - yawn. What's today's excuse? Really, I'm interested. Terrible tournament for Stanford as I predicted some weeks ago: "losing will be a theme all weekend." The one win they did capture is one they will have to defend a couple times in the coming weeks with Sarmiento most likely back in the lineup - good luck with that, you might need it.
I'm glad, though not surprised, that Duke did much better than Stanford in this tournament (though I am not Stanford-educated, I am told from reliable sources that T-3 and trouncing Florida is better than T-11 and losing to Florida).
I look forward to the next batch of rankings. Stanford fans can dismiss this tournament as fairly meaningless and filibuster around with their bevy of excuses if they wish, but the truth is this tournament is going to have a big impact on the NCAA draw. Assuming Stanford doesn't dominate their remaining schedule (UCLA, USC, Baylor, etc), they're going to have a hard time climbing back into the top 8 or so in the rankings, which means they'll have some mighty difficult matches right from the round of 16 in NCAAs, assuming they make it out of their regional.
Also, a big congrats to Tennessee for showing a lot of toughness in closing out Duke today despite not having Sandgren available. I thought for a minute Duke was going to squeeze by in his absence, but your 5 and 6 guys really stepped up big in those third sets. As I've been saying on this board for months, this year looks like a two-horse race to me - UVA and Tenn. should be a lot of fun tomorrow.
I'm glad, though not surprised, that Duke did much better than Stanford in this tournament (though I am not Stanford-educated, I am told from reliable sources that T-3 and trouncing Florida is better than T-11 and losing to Florida).
I look forward to the next batch of rankings. Stanford fans can dismiss this tournament as fairly meaningless and filibuster around with their bevy of excuses if they wish, but the truth is this tournament is going to have a big impact on the NCAA draw. Assuming Stanford doesn't dominate their remaining schedule (UCLA, USC, Baylor, etc), they're going to have a hard time climbing back into the top 8 or so in the rankings, which means they'll have some mighty difficult matches right from the round of 16 in NCAAs, assuming they make it out of their regional.
Also, a big congrats to Tennessee for showing a lot of toughness in closing out Duke today despite not having Sandgren available. I thought for a minute Duke was going to squeeze by in his absence, but your 5 and 6 guys really stepped up big in those third sets. As I've been saying on this board for months, this year looks like a two-horse race to me - UVA and Tenn. should be a lot of fun tomorrow.
Indoors is finally here - last years barely-modified rankings can't save you anymore
Don't know if duke will be the team to do it - but stanford is going to get a rude awakening or two this weekend - can't avoid playing top 10 teams forever
how prophetic
Fedace
Banned
I have evaluated this Duke tennis team throughly. and my conclusion is Duke will lose in the round of 16 in NCAA championships. Duke lack that one dominant player that can rallie the team and dominate the other team. They have solid players at #1 and #2 spot but that is about it. Stanford has Bradley Klahn, Virginia has Domijan. USC has Steve Johnson. Duke has none.
Clemson_tennis
Legend
What about Cunha? He was scary dominant last year. He is off too a rougher start this year but he is still certainly one of college tennis's elite players. That is not Duke's weakness.
Satsuma Florida
Rookie
Illinois is playing pretty tough right now. That team is better than I thought. Duke and Illinois are probably the two big surprises for me this tournament. Stanford and USC were too but for opposite reasons.
Clemson_tennis
Legend
Sitaram got fusticated at #6 singles but other that Texas is looking strong. I think it would be a slight upset if Texas beat Illinois indoors
Satsuma Florida
Rookie
Illinois took the doubles as well, if just one of their players can come back from a set down then they win.
LiveStats is all screwed up. They say Illinois won the doubles point, then won #6 singles, yet they had it 1-1 at that point instead of 2-0 Illinois. They continue to not make sense. Anyone know the truth here?
EDIT: Now, after Corrie and Mladenov win, they have it at 2-2, which means they seem to have corrected their error.
Satsuma Florida
Rookie
I've been wondering whos been keeping the scores up all week. Really screwy.
One big guessing game.
One big guessing game.
lol, cunha and carleton steamrolled tennessee's top 2 today and carleton picked up big wins all weekend against elite teams (you see, they had to play these elite teams since they weren't goofing around in the back draw with stanford)
just see the next rankings for an unbiased view of who the truly elite players and teams are
you and db must really miss the fall season when you could pretend that stanford didn't suck, foolish as that was, based on a few half-decent individual efforts...now that the team results are piling in, the conclusions are obvious
yap all you want about your perceptions of other teams, the results speak for themselves now
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wow, uva made quick work of ohio st, even with courtney in a bit of a downswing that surely won't last long
like i've been saying all along: two-horse race
unfortunately it looks like one of those horses has a broken leg going into the finals...still good enough to get by duke, but i think they're really going to miss sandgren tomorrow
like i've been saying all along: two-horse race
unfortunately it looks like one of those horses has a broken leg going into the finals...still good enough to get by duke, but i think they're really going to miss sandgren tomorrow
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Clemson_tennis
Legend
Duke will be better as the season goes along. Time for Saba and Mengel to grow into their roles
Fedace
Banned
lol, cunha and carleton steamrolled tennessee's top 2 today and carleton picked up big wins all weekend against elite teams (you see, they had to play these elite teams since they weren't goofing around in the back draw with stanford)
just see the next rankings for an unbiased view of who the truly elite players and teams are
you and db must really miss the fall season when you could pretend that stanford didn't suck, foolish as that was, based on a few half-decent individual efforts...now that the team results are piling in, the conclusions are obvious
yap all you want about your perceptions of other teams, the results speak for themselves now
hummmm, Klahn won the NCAA last year. How many NCAA titles have Cunha win ??? none. and i will take Ryan Thacher over Carlton anyday. Pete Sampras said Thacher could have turned Pro....... I wonder what pete said about Carlton ???????? hummmmmmmmmm
HoosTennis
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Fedace...you really need to accept reality
Stanford is a team with a couple elite players, but as a team, they are not elite currently. Team results speak for themselves. No one is going to dispute that they have 1 or 2 of the top players in college tennis, and they have bright futures, and they have a very good team. But your constantly pumping up the team, saying how they are going to go undefeated and are clearly one of the best, if not the best, teams in college tennis, is just clearly unjustified at this point.
Stanford has a high quality, top 16 team. They are not an ELITE, top 2 or 3, or even top 5 team right now. Plain and simple.
Stanford is a team with a couple elite players, but as a team, they are not elite currently. Team results speak for themselves. No one is going to dispute that they have 1 or 2 of the top players in college tennis, and they have bright futures, and they have a very good team. But your constantly pumping up the team, saying how they are going to go undefeated and are clearly one of the best, if not the best, teams in college tennis, is just clearly unjustified at this point.
Stanford has a high quality, top 16 team. They are not an ELITE, top 2 or 3, or even top 5 team right now. Plain and simple.
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Carleton d Thacher 6-4, 6-1
like i said, results are nice
Klahn's NCAA title is obviously very nice as well...unfortunately, it's not scaring his opponents this year
...Cunha wasn't too shabby last year either, considering he was the #1 seed (and thus had the best overall season leading into the NCAA tourney according to the computers) in both singles and doubles...no NCAA titles, but All-American in both...not shabby for a freshmankeep posting feddie, is it making you feel better about your middling men's team? maybe they should switch with the women's team - I'm not sure which is better this year...thoughts???
Impressive Vol win over Duke losing #'s 1 and 2 singles and having Tennys Sandgren out sick they still pull it out 4-2.
All the Vol doubters remember UT blanked Duke 7-0 in Durham earlier this month and in that match Williams beat Carlton and Smith beat Cunha.
Will Sandgren be back in the lineup tomorrow?
Should be a great final tomorrow Vols v. UVA. Go Vols!
All the Vol doubters remember UT blanked Duke 7-0 in Durham earlier this month and in that match Williams beat Carlton and Smith beat Cunha.
Will Sandgren be back in the lineup tomorrow?
Should be a great final tomorrow Vols v. UVA. Go Vols!
Satsuma Florida
Rookie
Whoever is doing the scoring updates has failed completely. In the Illinois Texas match, it listed Holiner winning the tiebreak and then winning the second set. Then later it is changed to Souza winning the second and we are suddenly in a third set. When the match ends, Souza is the one who took the tiebreaker and Holiner who won the second and third sets. No one knows what the heck is going on. Is scoring that hard?
Jakes On A Plane
Semi-Pro
Fedace has the absolute worst arguments ever. Home court advantage won't help you against UVA or Tennessee come May.
Andfor, Sandgren's mom was on the UT live blog today, and said Tennys ended up having to go to the hospital. There is no way he is playing tomorrow. Best wishes to him though.
Andfor, Sandgren's mom was on the UT live blog today, and said Tennys ended up having to go to the hospital. There is no way he is playing tomorrow. Best wishes to him though.
Automator
Semi-Pro
Texas won, 4-3.
Satsuma Florida
Rookie
Are you positive? The scorer might flip the scores again later! lol
Automator
Semi-Pro
Yes, it's up on Texas and Illinois's websites.
diredesire
Moderator
Thankfully, I haven't seen any Prestige Mids all tournament, and it's full, not a hybrid (I personally strung that one). I don't have info on the rest of the team besides the Rads i reported on. After the tournament is over, I'll e-mail the other stringer and ask for some records. He may or may not be keeping them, and they may or may not be very complete. I find most of the staff I've worked with don't really care about the gear. I didn't get to string at Seattle, so I don't have much info there. I stopped by today, I should have asked, sorry bro!
It's actually pretty comical how little tennis I actually get to watch. They holed us up in a corner of a highly trafficked area, and we have players walking through all the time. It's very disorganized, but even then, we don't get to really converse much with other players/coaches. I didn't hear any news about Klahn, although I was never at the same site as Stanford. I actually received a call yesterday (i think... my weekend is very blurred at the moment) from Coach "Whit" about billing, he seemed a little intense to me
We figured things out, though.Satsuma Florida
Rookie
I guess my sarcasm isn't working today. I saw the site too. It's just been ridulous how they haven't been able to correctly post scores at this event.
Anyway, tomorrow's final should be a good one. Go Virginia I guess.
As another example, the score page for the tournament says that Stanford beat Georgia 4-2 yesterday. Stanford and Georgia web pages say otherwise.
atatu
Legend
Any idea why Sitaram is having such a hard time adjusting ? His record hasn't been too stellar....
yes, it has been a pity they have had a few problems with scores, internet server on cameras on courts, no sound etc...
On the positive side, the tennis has been pretty good.
Love the format, doubles first and 1 point for doubles, then they back up and play singles. I like the way both teams "race" to get 4 points.
Looking forward to finals tonight, obviously Virginia are heavy favorites and have got a very solid team, lot of experience.
I enjoyed watching Jarryd Chaplin playing serve volley on these courts, definitely inspired by Pat Rafter there!
I think this time there will be no heroics, unless a few Virginia players have a bad game and tennesee guys play well above their rankings...
Mikej,
Everything you said here just shows one thing: you're not a gentleman. When Duke won against USC, I was gracious in praising them for the way they played. And now you have to come in everyone's face and start trash other teams.
Lucassen has a stress fracture in his foot. When he is healthy he will be back in the starting line up.
Sarmiento has tendinitis in his right shoulder, elbow, and wrist. It was a gamble playing him against Duke, and a come back from a set and 4-2 down was impossible. He was pulled out of the line up the rest of the weekend in preparation for Stanford and Cal this weekend.
Once again everyone gets all excited over one 3 day tournament... I don't think this tournament dictates who are elite teams or who is not. USC lost in 1st round to a good team from Duke, does it mean they are doomed to be a second league team for the rest of the season? Certainly not. They are still NCAA champion, and they could do it again.
Now, a few here are quick to throw Stanford under the bus after their poor showing in Seattle. True they didn't play like a top team, and they really should have won the doubles point in the 1st round match. Instead they lost a tough 4-3 match, even after losing the doubles point, and having Klahn playing like his shadow the whole tournament. And frankly, why Kandath/Lin didn't play the 1st round doubles match is a mystery, and it surely costs us the doubles point... They still beat USC, NCAA champions despite Klahn underperforming. So, I wonder how far they would have gone if Klahn had been playing like he has been playing the whole year until a week ago.
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