rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
But if your level is 4.0 wouldn't the new groundbreaking method elevate your game? So you become 5.0? Why stuck at 4.0?
Division of Labor and Delegation of Task In Tennis Strokes
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Yeah. They make up stuff. Lol.
Don't bother about rogerroger. He refuses to put up a video of his play and just makes fun of others.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Buffet closed already?
oserver
Professional
How come one can criticize other's like crazy but hesitate to show his real stuff? What's the English word for this?
Doc Hollidae
Hall of Fame
"Instead using the term hitting, I'd like to use the term "absorbing the ball" in the context of division of labor and delegation of tasks for the hitting arm."
LOL @collotennis
LOL @collotennis
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
I'm Asian. I was raised to not brag and boast. If I posted a video you would feel really bad about your own tennis.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Actually, I received an edumication recently about the meaning of an appropriate word for this subject. @PeteD provided information about a slang definition of the word/name "Roger." It seems, according to a variety of sources dating back to the 18th century, that fedr's Christian name has been used as code for "for using carnal knowledge."Don't think there is a single word for that. @stringertom is our language guru. He will know.
In the case of this thread it seems this use of "roger" applies as a noun, as the "modesty" of the poaster in question does not allow him to show his sh11t. In other words, he's being a roger, roger? I kinda like the roger dude, though...he's another one aware of the prodigiousness of Suri The AYCE Raider.
oserver
Professional
I enjoy watching Roger's tennis video in general, his forehand in particular. Never feel bad about my tennis just because he is so good and I'm only a 4.0. So don't worry roger. Just let everyone to see both rogers. A tennis bio would be a plus.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
You don't get a USPTA coach certificate using a pan cake serve. I got a certificate back in 2010 with a USTA 4.0 ranking, three years after playing USTA league as a 2.5 beginner.
oserver
Professional
If you quote my words, let readers know they are not yours, will you? Also please put quote on them.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
What?
Oserver is a pretty decent player just like the 2hfh guy. Problem is oserver is fixated on a stroke that he thinks is revolutionary but in reality seems to be the weakest link in his game....just like 2hfh guy.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
2hbh guy is way better than 360 professor though.
Not sure...360 has tournament records to back him up too. He'd posted links a while ago. So he's also legit, which is why I wonder if he's just trolling for attention with the 360 stuff and the Open Serve.
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oserver
Professional
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oserver
Professional
"I was raised to not brag and boast." Don't be shy. Be upfront just like your posts.
"If I posted a video you would feel really bad about your own tennis." I watch Federer's games pretty often, that doesn't make me feel really bad about my own game. Do you think that people go to ground slam events just to get a sense of "feel bad"? This pretty much tells your mentality.
Actually, one thing let me feel bad is this: Federer's forehand bear the modern forehand signature with a fantastic F. How come he never realize that he could sign his name on the forehand serve? Think about this, my stuffs are not really new; they are all forehand stuffs bear Federer's forehand signature and others. My contribution maybe just applying his stuffs to tennis serve, not confine them in the forehand arena.
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CornOnTheCob
Rookie
I'm not trying to sound condescending but I just want to cover a few things real quick for my own understanding through question form.
What makes Federer's forehand modern other than hitting open stance? Wouldn't his forehand be a compromise between traditional eastern grip forehands combined with less range of motion that we see nowadays? Wouldn't Rafa's buggy whip or Sock's let me destroy my elbow and wrist forehand be considered much more modern?
Also regarding the serve, you justify a lot of your reasoning by saying that the open stance serve is analogous to the open stance forehand which I adamantly believe is not valid reasoning. Using the open stance/semi-western serve limits you to only using slice to your dominant side and negates your ability to either hit a topspin serve or a conventional slice serve. I also believe that if one is hitting with the amount of force and torque that professional players use that their shoulder would not fair too well. Whether or not you choose to hit this style of serve is up to you and I would applaud you if I saw you hit this serve in a match, but to suggest that this is some revolutionary untapped technique is more than a bit of a stretch.
There's some other stuff in my head about planes of motion and efficiency and leverage blah blah but I'm not that great at physics and I'm afraid it might end up just being some junk bro-science.
rogerroger917
Hall of Fame
Have no idea what you are talking about. Just like your open serve claims. Not rooted in reality. Sorry.
oserver
Professional
"Using the open stance/semi-western serve limits you to only using slice to your dominant side and negates your ability to either hit a topspin serve or a conventional slice serve. "
You haven't watched my recent topspin practice video yet. Please let me know if you still believe I cannot do topspin serve this way. I'll do another video for slice serve, the forehand way too. Slice serve is the easiest one using the forehand serve method.
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/open-topspin-serve.622371/
"Wouldn't his forehand be a compromise between traditional eastern grip forehands combined with less range of motion that we see nowadays?"
If you pay attention to my dominant shoulder rotation or displacement length, it far exceed the conventional serve range. This is the same as the modern forehand in comparison to older style forehand. The key is angular momentum generation, not linear momentum generation. The modern serve is inheritable more linear than the forehand serve.
Rafa use a lot of wrist radial deviation in his forehand. Federer mostly keep his wrist at full extension state. I like Federer's form and technique more than anyone else.
On the contrary, forehand serve may save your elbow, shoulder problems. Why? The key technique is the passive arm (passive shoulder to some extent). It is less stressful on the wrist, elbow and shoulder. The quick flexing of wrist and elbow, the fast arm swing can cause all kind of problems for these small joints, small muscles. Try forehand serve and compare so you would know.
oserver
Professional
Let the body do the heavy hitting, and let the arm do 'almost' nothing.
If you haven't heard this from anyone else, then you hear it now from me, A 4.0 player!
The 'almost nothing' is just a little stretching; the arm still need to hold the racket and rotate it to meet the ball, with MINIMUM energy. MINIMUM, that's the key. One should waste arm's energy as much as possible.
Please notice I use meet instead of hit. Hitting the ball is not arm's job. This is the forehand way.
We have two hard choices here. A. Wasting energy/power of the main body. B. Wasting energy/power of the 'hitting' arm. I prefer B. I think Federer or any other elite players prefer B also in forehand strokes. It is just in tennis serves; elite players are still believe A in order to fully use the energy of the arm.
Some people think you can fully use body's anergy and arm's energy at the same time. That's totally wrong. If this is true, Federer will use a quick arm swing, flexing his wrist in hitting forehand.
If you haven't heard this from anyone else, then you hear it now from me, A 4.0 player
!The 'almost nothing' is just a little stretching; the arm still need to hold the racket and rotate it to meet the ball, with MINIMUM energy. MINIMUM, that's the key. One should waste arm's energy as much as possible.
Please notice I use meet instead of hit. Hitting the ball is not arm's job. This is the forehand way.
We have two hard choices here. A. Wasting energy/power of the main body. B. Wasting energy/power of the 'hitting' arm. I prefer B. I think Federer or any other elite players prefer B also in forehand strokes. It is just in tennis serves; elite players are still believe A in order to fully use the energy of the arm.
Some people think you can fully use body's anergy and arm's energy at the same time. That's totally wrong. If this is true, Federer will use a quick arm swing, flexing his wrist in hitting forehand.
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