Djok will overtake Federer

Blocker

Professional
How can I put this bluntly without coming across as a troll.

Federer shoukd retire.

One cameo 3rd set does not detract from the fact that he got whipped severely tonight. He should get out now while he's still in the top 3 and only trailing Djok in the H2H by one. As it is stands now, he's already lost to Djok in the world's most important matches and I can't see him beating Djok any time soon. Yes I know he beat Djok in the WTF only 2 months ago but Djok won the match that mattered. So he should retire before he starts embarrasing himself in these Djok matches and the H2H blows out, because that's how he will be remembered, unfortunately.

If he's playing on because he thinks he's got another slam in him or he thinks he's going to win the Olympic Singles he may as well quit now because it ain't going to happen.

Again, not being a troll, but Federer's game has nothing which can hurt Djokovic. In every aspect of Federer's game, Djokovic has him covered.

Djok will probably win the golden siam this year and in time will get to 17 slam wins in time.

Again, not a troll. Really, there's nothing to dispute here.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
Don't forget that Djokovic is the only guy stopping Federer from winning slams. Otherwise he would have won 3-4 more slams in the last couple of years. He just needs an opening, Anderson was two points away from taking Djokovic out in Wimbledon which would have resulted in Federer winning the titile. You never know something like that can happen again.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
So you say that

- The third best tennis player in the world should retire even though he's playing with house money

- it is "probable" that Djokovic will win a golden slam when it's been done once in the history of tennis, and never in a BO5 format (and the CYGS has only happened once in the open era)

- Federer winning 6 of his last 14 matches against Djokovic is an embarrassment

Yet you want people to take your "I'm not trolling" disclaimers seriously. You should have quit while you were only a little bit behind.

/thread
 

joekapa

Legend
So you say that

- The third best tennis player in the world should retire even though he's playing with house money

- it is "probable" that Djokovic will win a golden slam when it's been done once in the history of tennis, and never in a BO5 format (and the CYGS has only happened once in the open era)

- Federer winning 6 of his last 14 matches against Djokovic is an embarrassment

Yet you want people to take your "I'm not trolling" disclaimers seriously. You should have quit while you were only a little bit behind.

/thread
All true. But what we witnessed tonight was but the writing on the wall. It's all going to go downhill from here.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Djok will probably win the golden siam this year and in time will get to 17 slam wins in time

The fact that you're talking about Djokovic winning all 4 Slams this year like it's nothing tells you everything you need to know about the current tour. You know, cause usually, there are other people who can beat a GS contender. Even peak Federer couldn't do it despite being close because peak Nadal stopped him on clay.

There's nobody who can stop Djokovic so his titles are absolutely meaningless. Who's gonna stop him? A player in his mid 30's? Or maybe Berdych? Or maybe the new generation of all time greats?

It's basically the same thing with Serena now. I just hope that this is the lowest that both the ATP and WTA can get going further.
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
The fact that you're talking about Djokovic winning all 4 Slams this year like it's nothing tells you everything you need to know about the current tour. You know, cause usually, there are other people who can beat a GS contender. Even peak Federer couldn't do it despite being close because peak Nadal stopped him on clay.

There's nobody who can stop Djokovic so his titles are absolutely meaningless. Who's gonna stop him? A player in his mid 30's? Or maybe Berdych? Or maybe the new generation of all time greats?

It's basically the same thing with Serena now. I just hope that this is the lowest that both the ATP and WTA can get going further.
It can easily get lower in the next 5 years until the Rublev and co. generation matures. At least Djokovic is still playing at a high level to win slams despite the fact that there is no competition. Next, we're going to have just crappy quality of play resulting in slam winners either from declined Djoker or the likes of Raonic and Nishikori.
 

joekapa

Legend
The fact that you're talking about Djokovic winning all 4 Slams this year like it's nothing tells you everything you need to know about the current tour. You know, cause usually, there are other people who can beat a GS contender. Even peak Federer couldn't do it despite being close because peak Nadal stopped him on clay.

There's nobody who can stop Djokovic so his titles are absolutely meaningless. Who's gonna stop him? A player in his mid 30's? Or maybe Berdych? Or maybe the new generation of all time greats?

It's basically the same thing with Serena now. I just hope that this is the lowest that both the ATP and WTA can get going further.
Kinda like Federer's first 10 slam titles, wouldn't you say ?

And I'm sorry to say, but even today's Fed, Murray, Wawrinka were better than Hewitt, Phillipousis, Bhagdatis, and 35 y.o Agassi.
 

RF6777

Semi-Pro
it would have been better had you created this on sunday...
Djokovic can still lose the final...but there is 80% chance that he would lift the trophy
 

metsman

Talk Tennis Guru
Kinda like Federer's first 10 slam titles, wouldn't you say ?

And I'm sorry to say, but even today's Fed, Murray, Wawrinka were better than Hewitt, Phillipousis, Bhagdatis, and 35 y.o Agassi.
how bout peak Nadal on clay and prime/peak Nadal on clay?
 

joekapa

Legend
I don't think he should retire. For me, this is the best Federer we have seen for a long time.

But he is still no match for Djokovic. No matter what anybody says. He simply DOES NOT HAVE THE SKILL SET to beat him in a slam.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Don't forget that Djokovic is the only guy stopping Federer from winning slams. Otherwise he would have won 3-4 more slams in the last couple of years. He just needs an opening, Anderson was two points away from taking Djokovic out in Wimbledon which would have resulted in Federer winning the titile. You never know something like that can happen again.
or...he would have pooped in the final, no matter what.
Seppi may have been the guy that stopped him last year AO or Wawa may have taken away #2 at RG15.
Having a losing H2H against two biggest challengers of his career (otherwise, according to your logic, he would have had easily 30+ Slams) is a huge dent.
 
I don't think he should retire. For me, this is the best Federer we have seen for a long time.

But he is still no match for Djokovic. No matter what anybody says. He simply DOES NOT HAVE THE SKILL SET to beat him in a slam.
I beg to differ: he definitely has the skills, just no longer the legs and fitness to challenge Djokovic.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
As long as Federer can come within 1-2 matches of a slam why the heck should he retire? Anything can happen in one or two matches, all he needs is a slip from Djoko (it will happen at some point, INEVITABLY) or for someone else to take Djoko out. Also if your argument is Djokovic is coming for his 17 slam count then he should definitely stick around because as sad as it is he probably poses the biggest (or one of the biggest) threat to Djokovic on tour right now.
 

joekapa

Legend
As long as Federer can come within 1-2 matches of a slam why the heck should he retire? Anything can happen in one or two matches, all he needs is a slip from Djoko (it will happen at some point, INEVITABLY) or for someone else to take Djoko out. Also if your argument is Djokovic is coming for his 17 slam count then he should definitely stick around because as sad as it is he probably poses the biggest (or one of the biggest) threat to Djokovic on tour right now.


he does not pose the biggest threat to Djojkovic right now. That is laughable. The 2 players who are legit tjhreats to Djokovic are Murray AND Wawrinka. And Nadal on clay......don't count him out yet.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
he does not pose the biggest threat to Djojkovic right now. That is laughable. The 2 players who are legit tjhreats to Djokovic are Murray AND Wawrinka. And Nadal on clay......don't count him out yet.

So he poses one of the three biggest threats in your opinion?

Thanks for backing up my point.
 

Agassifan

Hall of Fame
Still the 2nd best player in the world
Still having fun
Still the highest paid player in the world
Still the GOAT
 

Blocker

Professional
The longer he plays on the more blemished his record becomes. A string of semi finals ain't going to add to his record, it will detract from it because he's starting from such a high base. If your average is high, and you perform below your average, your average drops. And vice versa if you're starting from a low base. That's my point.
 
that's ancient history my man. do we need to remind you of USO in 2010, and 2011 ?

What is there to remind?

Federer single handedly stopped your boy from achieving the CYGS and took away the Wimbledon title and the #1 position from his hands.

At the height of your boy's playing powers.

Now, that is what I call demonstration of power.

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He has got to overtake Rafa first. And he still hasn't won the AO, all of this will be for nothing if he doesn't pick up the trophy on Sunday.
 
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sliceroni

Hall of Fame
Please. Fed was done winning slams after 2010. Even in 2012 his level wasn't ncode Fed. It's called age. If you're in your teens or twenties you won't understand it until you are in your early to mid thirties..no matter what you say. Great champions just stick around even when their level isn't what it used to be because they are just that good. Sampras stuck around, took in the criticism, watched his h2h fall against lesser players, didn't win one tournament in 2 years and everything fell into place for him at the 2002 USO when Agassi took out his kryptonite Hewitt. Fed still believes he has a shot, is taking in all the criticism, and doesn't seem to care what we all think.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Federer retiring now will only help Djokovic to continue his dominance because Federer IS STILL THE BIGGEST RIVAL for Novak in 2016. Let's see if this changes in the final in a few days. I really hope Murray or Raonic will be able to beat Djokovic, but I highly doubt that will happen, which proves men's tour needs Federer still.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Federer should continue to play if he wants to. Thas it. He continues to play or chose not to doesnt have any effect on Djokovic performnace. I also doesnt believe he is the biggest threat to Djokovic either.
 

xFedal

Legend
Federer retiring now will only help Djokovic to continue his dominance because Federer IS STILL THE BIGGEST RIVAL for Novak in 2016. Let's see if this changes in the final in a few days. I really hope Murray or Raonic will be able to beat Djokovic, but I highly doubt that will happen, which proves men's tour needs Federer still.
Murray is Djokovics Rival. The world number 2.
 

PeterHo

Hall of Fame
no he shouldn't retire.

he should remain here and maybe end up 25-35 h2h vs Novak.

The fact that Federer still beats Murray/Stan is only going to be good for Novak. Novak needs these guys to be taken out, and Fed can do it for him. Then Novak only needs to beat Fed, which he is consistently doing at the slam level.

Fed taking out Murray at WB 15 was a classic example.
 
Murray a bigger threat than Roger.

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Midaso240

Legend
He has still done better against Djokovic in the last year or two than anyone else. What are they all playing for? Particularly the older ones. They have other goals. Federer just loves playing,win or lose...
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
and he shouldn't r
He has still done better against Djokovic in the last year or two than anyone else. What are they all playing for? Particularly the older ones. They have other goals. Federer just loves playing,win or lose...
He beat Djoko in non important matches one of them is RR WTF where Djokovic clearly gifted him. Slam level Wawrinka beat him Anderson Pushed him to the limit in Wimbledon. Murray also pushed him to 4 sets im AO last year as well.
 
I hope the OP won't be too embarrassed for Federer who at the age of 34 wins titles, regularly challenges the best player in the world atm and just produces magic on court instead of retiring.
In all seriousness though, Roger Federer is a living legend. And he keeps on adding to his legacy with the way he's playing. The day he hangs up his racquet will be a sad day for many tennis fans.
 

junior74

Bionic Poster
If Federer should retire (being second only to Nole), then i wonder what the rest of the ATP are doing. They don't even have age as an excuse (barring maybe Stepanek and Ivo).

And Feli. Don't forget Feli. He competed so well against Djokovic in USO15, slicing and attacking. Couldn't believe when he faded away in the 4th set tie-breaker, after dominating the set. With his low slice and quality s/v, he really disturbed Djokovic' game for a long time there. A recipe.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
Unabashed Federer fan here. I find these threads funny. Djoko beats old man Federer and Djoko fans proclaim him greatest ever. When Djoko is 35+ years old he will be losing to the ball kids because his game depends so much on movement. Anyone that knows tennis will not put a lot of stock in prime Djoko beating old Federer.

I am hoping Federer wins 1 more slam.

Also, I don't think Djoko will reach 17 slams. He will lose a little speed over next year or two and leg recovery between matches will diminish and he will begin to lose more.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I wonder, was it considered a weak era when Federer was dominating for, what was it 4 years? 5 years?

No because Nadal was there, Djokovic was there since early 2007, an older but still very good Agassi, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Moya, Coria, Davydenko and many more. Apart from 2006 when unfortunately a lot of these players faded away for different reason (Agassi retired, Hewitt got injured, Coria fell off the radar, Safin got injured and never regrouped) all the other years when Federer dominated were a whole lot stronger than today.
 
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