Djoker and Bull have a huge battle ahead

[maratha_warrior]

Next year , it will become difficult for Nadal and Djokovic to win slams because Stefanos-Daniel will start reaching every semis from now on .

Rafa /djoker will need to beat both youngsters back to back from next year onwards which will be very difficult at age 34-35 .

Stefanos-daniel are next number 1&2 in my opinion .
They are not afraid to go toe to toe with Nadal and Djokovic .
Djokodal had very difficult time with them in last 3 years .
AO 2019 Novak Daniel
USO 2019 Rafa Daniel
RG 2020 Novak Stefanos
AO 2021 Rafa Stefanos
WTF 19 & 20 .

Plus, Zverev and Thiem also pose massive threat to both Novak and Rafa . Both have huge games and can defeat Djokodal on their good days . They have done it in WTF matches and masters before .
Thiem did it in slams too .

The Quadruple of Stephan- Daniel- thiem-zverev will give hell to Djokodal in future slams .

2021 seems to be the final year where Djokodal will be favourites .

 

[MichaelNadal]

Agree. I just want crispiness and wings at the FO for #21, then they can tear Novak and Rafa apart after that

 

[maratha_warrior]

Agree. I just want crispiness and wings at the FO for #21, then they can tear Novak and Rafa apart after that

And I just want AO and Wimbledon 2021 for Novak ( got cheated because of Wimbledon 2020 cancellation )

Next year ,il start cheering for next big-4

 

[weakera]

Agree. I just want crispiness and wings at the FO for #21, then they can tear Novak and Rafa apart after that

Its going to be epic AF

 

[Rosstour]

Djok will win Australian, Nadal will take the French, and it's probably more than 50% likely that one of them wins the US.

 

[Deleted member 748597]

Djokovic is a vampire. Age is not a problem for him.

 

[maratha_warrior]

Djok will win Australian, Nadal will take the French, and it's probably more than 50% likely that one of them wins the US.

But , Djokodal will have to beat Stefanos-daniel-theim-zverev back to back to win their slams from now on mostly..
Both turn 34&35 in a few months time.

I won't take any slam for granted .

 

[maratha_warrior]

Djokovic is a vampire. Age is not a problem for him.

Marian vajda said in an interview that Djokovic had nothing left in tank for rg20 final .
It tells us that - his stamina isn't the same as before .
A tough 4-5 setter in semis will make it dificult for him to win finals from now on .

 

[Rosstour]

But , Djokodal will have to beat Stefanos-daniel-theim-zverev back to back to win their slams from now on mostly..
Both turn 34&35 in a few months time.

I won't take any slam for granted .

A good philosophy but these guys are gonna be taking home at least one Slam per year for a long time to come.

 

[guanzishou]

Common side effects of systemic steroids include:

• Increased appetite.
• Weight gain.

 

[MichaelNadal]

And I just want AO and Wimbledon 2021 for Novak ( got cheated because of Wimbledon 2020 cancellation )

Next year ,il start cheering for next big-4

Eww

 

[maratha_warrior]

Eww

Djokosmash 3 times

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokosmash 3 times

Him missing the easiest shots of the match cost him lol. Im not upset about this loss though bc he wasn't beating both Danill who is GOATing the whole tour right now, and then Djokovic who plays Glass Joe then gets 2 days of rest.

 

[maratha_warrior]

Him missing the easiest shots of the match cost him lol. Im not upset about this loss though bc he wasn't beating both Danill who is GOATing the whole tour right now, and then Djokovic who plays Glass Joe then gets 2 days of rest.

True .
I feel Novak- Rafa won't get through Stefanos and Daniel back to back in most slams from now on .
Even, Djoker wasn't getting past Zverev Theim and Daniel/Stefanos back to back .
Lucky to avoid Theim in semis .

It seems , Their slam run might come to an end sonner than we assumed .
Stefanos was untouchable in last two sets today , Rafa didn't even play bad . Now that is scary !!!

 

[Beckerserve]

Agree. I just want crispiness and wings at the FO for #21, then they can tear Novak and Rafa apart after that

5th USO!!! We want that.

 

[maratha_warrior]

5th USO!!! We want that.

Your thoughts on this post ??

 

[Beckerserve]

True .
I feel Novak- Rafa won't get through Stefanos and Daniel back to back in most slams from now on .
Even, Djoker wasn't getting past Zverev Theim and Daniel/Stefanos back to back .
Lucky to avoid Theim in semis .

It seems , Their slam run might come to an end sonner than we assumed .
Stefanos was untouchable in last two sets today , Rafa didn't even play bad . Now that is scary !!!

Djokovic will get hammered by either Medvedev or Tsitsipas if he plays like he has. Zverev could have beat him and he has no FH or 2nd serve.
We all know how good Djokovic has been. Question is has his decline started.
I mean if he struggles tomorrow against the unknown guy i would really fear for him the final. He needs to smash the russian guy tomorrow to establish some aura as at the moment he looks very beatable.

 

[socallefty]

Rafa got to 20 Slams before the rise of the NextGen and can win more at the FO. Novak in contrast blew too many winnable Slams in his prime and now it’s going to be a struggle for him to equal or beat Federer. He was also unlucky about Wimbledon being cancelled last year and it is possible that they might cancel it again this year.

 

[Beckerserve]

Your thoughts on this post ??

For me a 5th USO is way bigger than a 2nd AO. Nadal tying Sampras Federer and Connors at the USO would just be epic. If Medvedev or Tsitsipas win AO it will be far harder for Rafa but in NY with a full stadium Rafa has always played way above his standard HC level.

 

[MichaelNadal]

5th USO!!! We want that.

He will want it too

 

[Beckerserve]

Rafa got to 20 Slams before the rise of the NextGen and can win more at the FO. Novak in contrast blew too many winnable Slams in his prime and now it’s going to be a struggle for him to equal or beat Federer. He was also unlucky about Wimbledon being cancelled last year and it is possible that they might cancel it again this year.

I cannot see Djokovic doing it now even if he wins this event. Last year was a disaster. He needed to be one behind. Three is too far to bridge.
He would though love having more AOs than Federer has Wimbledons.

 

[Beckerserve]

He will want it too

Lets hope for a full crowd. Rafa feeds off the Ashe crowd like Connors did.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I cannot see Djokovic doing it now even if he wins this event. Last year was a disaster. He needed to be one behind. Three is too far to bridge.
He would though love having more AOs than Federer has Wimbledons.

Djokovic winning here would be a big step forward for him. Nadal will need to win the FO to get back to 3. Then I feel safe. If Novak is within 2, he will be way too hungry to be stopped.

 

[zipplock]

Rafael has 1 shot to hit 21 this summer. Would not be surprised if he and Fed retire at 20.

 

[Beckerserve]

Djokovic winning here would be a big step forward for him. Nadal will need to win the FO to get back to 3. Then I feel safe. If Novak is within 2, he will be way too hungry to be stopped.

Djokovic i cannot see winning the FO. Too many players can out last him from back of the court now which is why he has developed his serve which will not help at RG.
Wimbledon is his best chance but do not rule out Federer at W so Rafa i feel does need FO to keep ahead of Federer going into W.
Djokovic has to win his pet slam. Pressure is on him. I genuinely feel he has the worse possible final opponent now whoever it is. Neither will choke like Zverev

 

[Beckerserve]

Rafael has 1 shot to hit 21 this summer. Would not be surprised if he and Fed retire at 20.

Who else wins FO? Thiem looks spent. Tsitsipas is a real threat. Djokovic wont win in Paris. Sinner is a dark horse. Who else?

 

[maratha_warrior]

For me a 5th USO is way bigger than a 2nd AO. Nadal tying Sampras Federer and Connors at the USO would just be epic. If Medvedev or Tsitsipas win AO it will be far harder for Rafa but in NY with a full stadium Rafa has always played way above his standard HC level.

But think about this .
Rafa will will 35.5 at USO 2021 .

He will have to beat atleast two players among Thiem- Zed -Stefanos -Daniel -Novak and even Fed ( if he reaches semis ) .
Rafa has declined the most on hardcourts after 2013 .

I find it absurd to think of Djokodal as favourites for US Open too .
I think Novak might win 1 more US open but even that is not a given..

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic i cannot see winning the FO. Too many players can out last him from back of the court now which is why he has developed his serve which will not help at RG.
Wimbledon is his best chance but do not rule out Federer at W so Rafa i feel does need FO to keep ahead of Federer going into W.
Djokovic has to win his pet slam. Pressure is on him. I genuinely feel he has the worse possible final opponent now whoever it is. Neither will choke like Zverev

Djokovic is not losing now lol. Zverev needed to finish him and he screwed up.

 

[zipplock]

Who else wins FO? Thiem looks spent. Tsitsipas is a real threat. Djokovic wont win in Paris. Sinner is a dark horse. Who else?

Don't know. He could wake up and have an "old" day and that's that.

 

[Beckerserve]

But think about this .
Rafa will will 35.5 at USO 2021 .

He will have to beat atleast two players among Thiem- Zed -Stefanos -Daniel -Novak and even Fed ( if he reaches semis ) .
Rafa has declined the most on hardcourts after 2013 .

I find it absurd to think of Djokodal as favourites for US Open too .
I think Novak might win 1 more US open but even that is not a given..

Depends on this event. If Djokovic wins the Next Gen are still yet to breakthrough and it gets harder each event. Nadal and Djokovic will therefore be favourites.
If Tsitispas or Medvedev win then on the back of Thiem at USO i would say off clay life will have become much harder for Nadal and Djokovic.
That is why this event is so significant and why i feel last thing Djokovic would have wanted is either of his final opponents. Both like playing him as well as both find Nadal harder. A lot riding on next few days.

 

[Beckerserve]

Djokovic is not losing now lol. Zverev needed to finish him and he screwed up.

Zverev? He is woeful outdoors. Indoors i may agree but he is just a sitting duck for any top 10 player outdoors

 

[Beckerserve]

Don't know. He could wake up and have an "old" day and that's that.

Think this year he may avoid that day but agree after this June those days may become more regular.

 

[Slowtwitcher]

Recency bias - Wikipedia

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[PilotPete]

Funny how it's Djokodal fans overhyping the NextGen, hmmm. I wonder why?

 

[Tennis Rules]

at these stage of rafa and djokovic....the young guy can´t throw them from throne. the moment was years ago and all have failed.
now it should be normal that they win...but still isn´t.

 

[pj80]

Funny how it's Djokodal fans overhyping the NextGen, hmmm. I wonder why?

they better then what fed faced in the blake, davydenko, ljubicic era

 

[PilotPete]

they better then what fed faced in the blake, davydenko, ljubicic era

Then why did guys like Ljubi, Bagdhatis. etc beat Nadal during his peak year in 2010?

 

[pj80]

Then why did guys like Ljubi, Bagdhatis. etc beat Nadal during his peak year in 2010?

accidents happen sometimes. But there's no way those guys are anywhere close to Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Thiem

 

[FedFanBoy]

accidents happen sometimes. But there's no way those guys are anywhere close to Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Thiem

Are you saying Med, Tsitipas, and Thiem would be winning slams if Nadal and Djoker (or Fed) were in their primes? If not, how would they be better than Davydenko?

 

[mike danny]

But , Djokodal will have to beat Stefanos-daniel-theim-zverev back to back to win their slams from now on mostly..
Both turn 34&35 in a few months time.

I won't take any slam for granted .

I don't think their paths will be that difficult yet.

 

[mike danny]

First, let's see if Med can even beat Djoker here before overhyping these guys.

 

[Jaitock1991]

First, let's see if Med can even beat Djoker here before overhyping these guys.

This. Quite ridiculous to hype it up so much when the simple fact remains that none of them other than Thiem has even won a slam yet. Let's see them actually do that before we start going crazy.

 

[mike danny]

This. Quite ridiculous to hype it up so much when the simple fact remains that none of them other than Thiem has even won a slam yet. Let's see them actually do that before we start going crazy.

And let's also not expect them to be in every slam SF either. They haven't yet shown the required consistency to do that.

 

[maratha_warrior]

First, let's see if Med can even beat Djoker here before overhyping these guys.

Djoker is lucky this time to avoid thiem .
At his currect level , he wouldn't have beaten Zed - thiem - Daniel back to back .
A 5 setter with Stefanos tired him out at RG 2020.

EVen if Djoker wins on Sunday , still things will get harder for Djokodal in coming years. These youngsters have been dificult for them for the past 3 years .

thiem - beaten Novak at slams and wtf .
. - beaten Rafa at slams and wtf

medvedev - beaten Djokodal at wtf and difficult at slams

STefanos & Zverev - won WTF beaten one of them . And difficult at slams , beaten Rafa st slam .

DJokodal will find it tough to beat them back to back moving forward ,in slams . ( In my opinion )

 

[mike danny]

Djoker is lucky this time to avoid thiem .
At his currect level , he wouldn't have beaten Zed - thiem - Daniel back to back .
A 5 setter with Stefanos tired him out at RG 2020.

EVen if Djoker wins on Sunday , still things will get harder for Djokodal in coming years. These youngsters have been dificult for them for the past 3 years .

thiem - beaten Novak at slams and wtf .
. - beaten Rafa at slams and wtf

medvedev - beaten Djokodal at wtf and difficult at slams

STefanos & Zverev - won WTF beaten one of them . And difficult at slams , beaten Rafa st slam .

DJokodal will find it tough to beat them back to back moving forward ,in slams . ( In my opinion )

Well, I don't agree they've proven tough for them in slams the last 3 years. Only Thiem did a modicum of damage in this period, the others didn't.

The Next Gen has just started causing some damage. This is the first time they've won a slam match against them.

And I prefer to see one of them win a slam before I hype them up. Yes, it was a great win for Tsitsipas, but if Djokovic still wins this event, nothing has changed, just like last year when Thiem upset Nadal.

So I may be on the hype train if Medvedev wins this AO. Not before then.

 

[maratha_warrior]

Well, I don't agree they've proven tough for them in slams the last 3 years. Only Thiem did a modicum of damage in this period, the others didn't.

The Next Gen has just started causing some damage. This is the first time they've won a slam match against them.

And I prefer to see one of them win a slam before I hype them up. Yes, it was a great win from Tsitsipas, but if Djokovic still wins this event, nothing has changed, just like last year when Thiem upset Nadal.

So I may be on the hype train if Medvedev wins this AO. Not before then.

I can understand why you think that , there will be progress only if Djokovic loses at AO on Sunday .
But I feel , even if he wins there is progress.

He is lucky to avoid Thiem in semis .
Zed exposed Novak's level two days back in quarters..

Thiem / Stefanos already beaten Big 3 in slams . Daniel/ Zverev will soon get there too especially Daniel .

And Rafa has been average on Non clay slams for many years now . He can be beaten by them and especially ( Djoker /fed )
Djoker is vulnerable at RG/USO .

 

[mike danny]

I can understand why you think that , there will be progress only if Djokovic loses at AO on Sunday .
But I feel , even if he wins there is progress.

He is lucky to avoid Thiem in semis .
Zed exposed Novak's level two days back in quarters..

Thiem / Stefanos already beaten Big 3 in slams . Daniel/ Zverev will soon get there too especially Daniel .

And Rafa has been average on Non clay slams for many years now . He can be beaten by them and especially ( Djoker /fed )
Djoker is vulnerable at RG/USO .

Well, there's also the question mark surrounding Djoker's physical state.

In other slams he may not play this poorly.

 

[-NN-]

I don't expect Medvedev and Tsitsipas to be as metronomic as the Big Three in making SF or better but do expect them to make a considerable number of them and have their successes. There's also Zverev and Thiem to consider, but I don't think they'll be as good. Meanwhile, a guy like Sinner will be prepping himself.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Disagree. Over BO5 I think Djokovic still clear favourite at 3/4 slams. Only injury can stop the BOAT.

 

[PilotPete]

accidents happen sometimes. But there's no way those guys are anywhere close to Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Thiem

6 accidents in your best year?