Djoker better be concerned about this hard court records going bye bye

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

There is no one even in sinners area code right now and won’t be for a long time. Maybe djoker should think about coaching Carlos to become a great hardcourt player so sinner doesn’t vulture. Because as it looks now sinner will vulture for a LONG TIME especially if Fritz is the main obstacle. Med is done so he can’t stop sinner any longer. There’s no one else

 

[Lleytonstation]

There is no one even in sinners area code right now and won’t be for a long time. Maybe djoker should think about coaching Carlos to become a great hardcourt player so sinner doesn’t vulture. Because as it looks now sinner will vulture for a LONG TIME especially if Fritz is the main obstacle. Med is done so he can’t stop sinner any longer. There’s no one else

Assuming no ban than yes, and he is only going to improve on grass.

 

[Indigo]

Good player

 

[Jonas78]

Djoker doesnt need to be concerned about anything for a loong time...

 

[ND-13]

Assuming no ban than yes, and he is only going to improve on grass.

Glad you got on the train

 

[MeatTornado]

Sinner was on the ropes against Medvedev in Australia this year. And don't expect him to face Fritz more often than Alcaraz in New York going forward.

He's not unbeatable.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Glad you got on the train

It was either his train or the shepherds and I am no sheep.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic will be likely dead or a very old man by the time his records are broken. He’s chilling right now

 

[tennis_pro]

Once Alcaraz cleans up his act they're gonna split the HC titles with Alcaraz winning more on clay and grass.

Plus Sinner isn't doing anything extraordinary, the tour is probably as bad as it's ever been. Look at who he had to beat to win the Tour Finals this year f.e. Nadal would be sitting on 5 WTFs if he had draws like this.

 

[Sport]

There is no one even in sinners area code right now and won’t be for a long time. Maybe djoker should think about coaching Carlos to become a great hardcourt player so sinner doesn’t vulture. Because as it looks now sinner will vulture for a LONG TIME especially if Fritz is the main obstacle. Med is done so he can’t stop sinner any longer. There’s no one else

Why do you have the, admittedly obsessive, or at least repetitive, notion that winning Slams in the post-Big 3 era is automatically vulturing? It's not Sinneraz's fault that they were born later than the Big 3.

Also, by your logic, no single tennis record in the future will matter because no player will ever face Federer again. That's an unobjective and nostalgia-driven premise.

Examples:

Year 2060: Player X wins 30 Slams. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face the Big 3".

Year 3072: Player Z wins 10 Wimbledon. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face Federer in his prime".

Year 4077: Player Y wins 3 Olympic Gold in singles. "Nah, he vultured cause he faced no Nadal nor Djokovic".

Do you realize people from future generations will not employ such an unfair criterion? How on Earth is future players' fault being born after Federer or Djokodal? And why do you assume no one can logically play better than the Big 3? Your mindset is too attached to the past. Tennis, llke life itself, keeps moving on and never stops changing.

 

[vokazu]

Clostebol hard court record is tainted forever.

 

[Sudacafan]

Sinner has 2 slams, and he is 23 years old.
He only needs 23 slams, or 5.75 CYGS to surpass Djokovic, starting at AO25.
So he can achieve that at Wimbledon 2030, at almost 29.
Very easy

 

[gold soundz]

Which records specifically do you reckon Sinner will overtake him on?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why do ypu have the, admittedly obsessive, or at least repetitive, notion that winning Slams in the post-Big 3 era is automatically vulturing? It's not Sinneraz's fault that they were born later than the Big 3.

Also, by your logic, no single tennis record in the future will matter because no player will ever face Federer again. That's an unobjective and nostalgia-driven premise.

Examples:

Year 2060: Player X wins 30 Slams. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face the Big 3".

Year 3072: Player Z wins 10 Wimbledon. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face Federer in his prime".

Year 4077: Player Y wins 3 Olympic Gold in singles. "Nah, he vultured cause he faced no Nadal nor Djokovic".

Do you realize people from future generations will not employ such an unfair criterion? How on Earth is future players' fault being born after Federer or Djokodal? And why do you assume no one can logically play better than the Big 3? Your mindset is too attached to the past. Tennis, llke life itself, keeps moving on and never stops changing.

According to the big 3 apologists, no record once their own player declined matters anyway.

There are 4/5 worthless jobless Federer fans I can name here if that didn't get me banned. They are doing the dance for last 5/6 years already.

Same type of jobless rafole fans will come and think no new record matters.

We just need to bury these nostalgic things.

 

[messiahrobins]

Once Alcaraz cleans up his act they're gonna split the HC titles with Alcaraz winning more on clay and grass.

Plus Sinner isn't doing anything extraordinary, the tour is probably as bad as it's ever been. Look at who he had to beat to win the Tour Finals this year f.e. Nadal would be sitting on 5 WTFs if he had draws like this.

Alcaraz is the best player in the world. This is Sampras-Courier territory at the moment.

 

[Tennfan123]

Lol. Posters always assume these players just decide who they’re going to coach.
Djokovics hc records are shaky as it is. Only 4 USOs for hc king? Please.

 

[MeatTornado]

Why do ypu have the, admittedly obsessive, or at least repetitive, notion that winning Slams in the post-Big 3 era is automatically vulturing? It's not Sinneraz's fault that they were born later than the Big 3.

Also, by your logic, no single tennis record in the future will matter because no player will ever face Federer again. That's an unobjective and nostalgia-driven premise.

Examples:

Year 2060: Player X wins 30 Slams. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face the Big 3".

Year 3072: Player Z wins 10 Wimbledon. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face Federer in his prime".

Year 4077: Player Y wins 3 Olympic Gold in singles. "Nah, he vultured cause he faced no Nadal nor Djokovic".

Do you realize people from future generations will not employ such an unfair criterion? How on Earth is future players' fault being born after Federer or Djokodal? And why do you assume no one can logically play better than the Big 3? Your mindset is too attached to the past. Tennis, llke life itself, keeps moving on and never stops changing.

Every slam since Laver retired has been a vulture job

 

[Fabresque]

Why do ypu have the, admittedly obsessive, or at least repetitive, notion that winning Slams in the post-Big 3 era is automatically vulturing? It's not Sinneraz's fault that they were born later than the Big 3.

Also, by your logic, no single tennis record in the future will matter because no player will ever face Federer again. That's an unobjective and nostalgia-driven premise.

Examples:

Year 2060: Player X wins 30 Slams. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face the Big 3".

Year 3072: Player Z wins 10 Wimbledon. "Nah, he vultured cause he didn't face Federer in his prime".

Year 4077: Player Y wins 3 Olympic Gold in singles. "Nah, he vultured cause he faced no Nadal nor Djokovic".

Do you realize people from future generations will not employ such an unfair criterion? How on Earth is future players' fault being born after Federer or Djokodal? And why do you assume no one can logically play better than the Big 3? Your mindset is too attached to the past. Tennis, llke life itself, keeps moving on and never stops changing.

Every week same nonsense, vulture this vulture that.

 

[Robert F]

Djoker shouldn't worry at all.
Big 3 not only performed at levels above their peers, but they did it for over a decade.

You could argue Sinner and probably Carlos are able to play at levels above their peers. But the ability to repeat that for year after year is yet to be seen and because these guys are playing great now, doesn't mean they have the will, ability or fortune to do so. I hope nothing bad happens to these guys, but injury, bans, changes to the tours can all happen on their path to beat the big 3.

If these guys reach 15 slams, then we can start posing questions, but even then they still have another lap or two to complete.

I think the only thing you can talk about is their current level of play and how it compares to the peaks of the Big 3.
Was sinner's year close to Djoker's 2011?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djoker shouldn't worry at all.
Big 3 not only performed at levels above their peers, but they did it for over a decade.

You could argue Sinner and probably Carlos are able to play at levels above their peers. But the ability to repeat that for year after year is yet to be seen and because these guys are playing great now, doesn't mean they have the will, ability or fortune to do so. I hope nothing bad happens to these guys, but injury, bans, changes to the tours can all happen on their path to beat the big 3.

If these guys reach 15 slams, then we can start posing questions, but even then they still have another lap or two to complete.

I think the only thing you can talk about is their current level of play and how it compares to the peaks of the Big 3.
Was sinner's year close to Djoker's 2011?

Djokovic was in usopen finals 16 years apart. He doesn't have to worry for a very long time.

Sinner would have to be in final in 2040 for matching nole's longevity when he would be 39 himself. He is not doing that. He is late bloomer.

 

[Pheasant]

It’s way too early to talk about career records being broken. That’s crazy talk right there.

 

[Tano]

Once Alcaraz cleans up his act they're gonna split the HC titles with Alcaraz winning more on clay and grass.

Plus Sinner isn't doing anything extraordinary, the tour is probably as bad as it's ever been. Look at who he had to beat to win the Tour Finals this year f.e. Nadal would be sitting on 5 WTFs if he had draws like this.

Even Nadal at the 2020 ATP Finals would have liked to face Ruud and Fritz instead of Medvedev and, potentially Thiem, to win the only major title he lacked in his enormous career.

 

[zagor]

There is no one even in sinners area code right now and won’t be for a long time. Maybe djoker should think about coaching Carlos to become a great hardcourt player so sinner doesn’t vulture. Because as it looks now sinner will vulture for a LONG TIME especially if Fritz is the main obstacle. Med is done so he can’t stop sinner any longer. There’s no one else

Novak has 10 AOs alone, I'm sure he's sleeping fine.

 

[Hitman]

14 HC slams, 7 YEC, 29 HC masters

Overall 50 big titles on HC - That is the highest amount by any player on any surface at big title level.

Good luck to Sinner, that is a monstrous climb ahead of him and considering Sinner is a lot more injury prone, the challenge is that much more daunting.

 

[FreeJannik]

Sinner had an incredible year but to "challenge" ND records he will need to consitently win for a decade.... at least...

future will tell but i don't think it will happen... for several reasons... mainly because he will be unable to play enough to win that much (ban and injuries will seriously limit his results).

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner had an incredible year but to "challenge" ND records he will need to consitently win for a decade.... at least...

future will tell but i don't think it will happen... for several reasons... mainly because he will be unable to play enough to win that much (ban and injuries will seriously limit his results).

Plus he started so late. By year 21 nole had won 1 slam 3 masters and ATP finals.

Sinner had won nothing.

Yes nole had 2 bad years but that bad is very relative. In 2009 he had very good hard court season. Winning 5 titles. That's comparable to sinner 2023. Only 2010 did nole slow down a bit and sinner has now matched his early big titles haul.

From next year sinner will have to keep matching goat run from 2011 to 2023 to have any hopes.

 

[jl809]

All Carlos has to do is find some consistency and he will provide the balance. Across all surfaces there has generally been

• Some ATG in their prime at the same time prepared to take wins off the main guy or
• Some ATG tier talent who is 5 years younger and can start to take wins off the main guy once he ages

There are exceptions such as PETE on grass (because he fell off a cliff anyway and just retired before Fed got to his prime and started inevitably beating him) and Nadal on clay (for whom it might not have made a difference, although RG 22 was kinda hyperinflation era stuff).

Then you have instances like Nadal’s late era USO wins and Djoker’s AO / Wimbledon resume which were vacuum type stuff in the inflation void of post 2015 tennis. THIS is the kind of scenario Sinner would need to rely on to actually pose a threat to Djoker’s HC records, alongside a continued lack of consistency from Tiny

 

[NoleFam]

Then you have instances like Nadal’s late era USO wins and Djoker’s AO / Wimbledon resume which were vacuum type stuff in the inflation void of post 2015 tennis. THIS is the kind of scenario Sinner would need to rely on to actually pose a threat to Djoker’s HC records, alongside a continued lack of consistency from Tiny

Complete nonsense. He won like 17 matches in a row against the top 5 in Australia. When he was on his romp no one could stop him except injury and Wawrinka in 2014 by the narrowest of margins. Also beat Fedal at Wimbledon in 2018 and 2019 Wimbledon in very close matches so so much for vacuum era after 2015.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

Sinner has 2 slams, and he is 23 years old.
He only needs 23 slams, or 5.75 CYGS to surpass Djokovic, starting at AO25.
So he can achieve that at Wimbledon 2030, at almost 29.
Very easy

He can do that if Carlo doesn’t get better on hards or Fritz is his finals opponent all
Over the circuit LOL. People saying it’s impossible don’t realize there’s no Nadal or Fed or real GOAT around toStop him


Sinner can also vulture both HC slams whereas Djoker could only vulture AO. Not Flushing. So he will get there quicker than Djoker

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

Since Sinner won 2 HC Slams this season, he will keep winning every big HC title for a decade. Nothing ever changes in a few years. The world stays in stasis until an extinction event occurs. No communication method will be faster than telegraph. Steamboats are the only ways to travel overseas. Wimbledon will never be cancelled due to unforeseen events.

 

[Sudacafan]

Since Sinner won 2 HC Slams this season, he will keep winning every big HC title for a decade. Nothing ever changes in a few years. The world stays in stasis until an extinction event occurs. No communication method will be faster than telegraph. Steamboats are the only ways to travel overseas. Wimbledon will never be cancelled due to unforeseen events.

Yes, people must comprehend this.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

He can do that if Carlo doesn’t get better on hards or Fritz is his finals opponent all
Over the circuit LOL. People saying it’s impossible don’t realize there’s no Nadal or Fed or real GOAT around toStop him


Sinner can also vulture both HC slams whereas Djoker could only vulture AO. Not Flushing. So he will get there quicker than Djoker

You just jinxed poor sinner now!

 

[big ted]

most of tennis is played on hard courts. OP really means djokovics goat status will last until 2034

 

[nolefam_2024]

most of tennis is played on hard courts. OP really means djokovics goat status will last until 2034

Many have made many deluded claims. I am not saying OP is deluded. I just made this observation on ttw.

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

Djokovic's hard court records will forever stand the test of time. It's Federer's grass records and Nadal's clay court records that are in danger of being surpassed in the future.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic's hard court records will forever stand the test of time. It's Federer's grass records and Nadal's clay court records that are in danger of being surpassed in the future.

Nadal's record are safest. No one I can see in next 5 years out who is even capable of dominating clay like him. Sinner can realistically challenge Djokovic hc records but if someone can challenge nadal's records, that person is yet to turn pro. And then 20 more years of play so at least next 20/25 years no one is beating nadal's record. Djokovic's hc and especially fed's wimby record isn't safe.

 

[AO13]

Off topic, where is that guy Neutral fan who was hyping Sinner like no other here? He would usually have his "I told you so" moments with multiple new threads after Sinner's achievements. Don't tell me he got banned? ​

 

[Donkus_Reborn]

Depends if he's allowed to take more PEDs and get away with it.

Sinner at this point can go outside, probably kill a man and the powers that be will still let him play tennis.

 

[Hitman]

Depends if he's allowed to take more PEDs and get away with it.

Sinner at this point can go outside, probably kill a man and the powers that be will still let him play tennis.

Why does he need to go outside? He is killing them all on the court anyway.

 

[DropWideShot]

Djokovics hc records are shaky as it is. Only 4 USOs for hc king? Please.

14 HC slams

 

[roysid]

Djokovic hasn't hung up his boots yet. I'm sure he's planning one last dance in 2025 to add to his majors.
Sinner better be careful. AO 25 won't be easy

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

There is no one even in sinners area code right now and won’t be for a long time. Maybe djoker should think about coaching Carlos to become a great hardcourt player so sinner doesn’t vulture. Because as it looks now sinner will vulture for a LONG TIME especially if Fritz is the main obstacle. Med is done so he can’t stop sinner any longer. There’s no one else

Djokovic could not possibly be concerned with a "hard court record" the way certain "fans" obsess over such trivia. Among the Best of the Rest players (non-Grand Slam / non-GOAT players), he's so far ahead with his majors count, that he has nothing to worry about from the assumption that Sinner (or anyone else) will play long enough to reach his level.

 

[NAS]

Records are meant to be broken( apart from clay one of Rafa).

 

[Waves]

I’m not sure. As before, the powers that be may decide to fundamentally change the game if one or two players get too good, and interest (ie money) drops…always a safe bet.

I suspect Novak’s records will stand for a few decades, but also would be quite intrigued if some kid starts knocking on the door. Will see.

 

[tsp_207]

Uncle Tio is loco

 

[nolefam_2024]

Op needs to understand that at age 36 Djokovic hit higher performance than jannik did this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858212305974014285

 

[InsuranceMan]

Off topic, where is that guy Neutral fan who was hyping Sinner like no other here? He would usually have his "I told you so" moments with multiple new threads after Sinner's achievements. Don't tell me he got banned? ​

Believe he was banned

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Sinner’s task

 

[SonnyT]

Whatever Djokovic's record is breakable isn't worth sustained!