Djoker has tied Margaret Court's record 24 singles slams

[ShaoLaoDragon]

Novak Djokovic Ties Margaret Court With 24 Majors: How Many More Will He Add?

Move over Margaret Court, you’ve got company. Exactly 50 years to the day after Court won her 24th major title, Novak Djokovic has tied her atop the all-time standings

www.forbes.com

 

[Bartelby]

Court has no record for Novak to either tie or beat. It's a fiction.

 

[NoleFam]

I really hate that they do this by bringing up 50 year old women's records and comparing it to men's tennis.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

If I see one more thread about Margaret Court, my god.

She has no relevance to the men's record and she has barely any significance to the women's record as her Australian Open's were a joke when nobody bothered playing the tournament.

 

[Bubcay]

Novak Djokovic Ties Margaret Court With 24 Majors: How Many More Will He Add?

Move over Margaret Court, you’ve got company. Exactly 50 years to the day after Court won her 24th major title, Novak Djokovic has tied her atop the all-time standings

www.forbes.com

No disrespect to my compatriot Court but this comparison is apples and oranges in every concievable way.

 

[ND-13]

I wish Novak is able to distance himself far away from everyone else like how Court did and lasted for 5 decades .

30-35 should be a good number

 

[TheNachoMan]

If I see one more thread about Margaret Court, my god.

She has no relevance to the men's record and she has barely any significance to the women's record as her Australian Open's were a joke when nobody bothered playing the tournament.

Is it it enough to make you want Novak to get #25 so Court can become a distant memory? lol

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Is it it enough to make you want Novak to get #25 so Court can become a distant memory? lol

Lol, she already is a distant memory but when Novak gets 25 it will be nice to forget about her (except then we'll get threads about him breaking her so called record that has no relevance to the men's tour).

 

[Fabresque]

She won 11 Aussies where the biggest draw was 50 people and most of the draws were 25-35 entries. These legit aren’t real slams, it’s a sham of the highest order. Not to mention womens tennis isn’t even the same sport as men’s tennis, much less 60’s women’s tennis.

No matter, when Djokovic hits 25 he can put granny’s fake record and homophobia to bed.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I really hate that they do this by bringing up 50 year old women's records and comparing it to men's tennis.

They are not comparing him. They are elevating her. We should be happy that they needed to reach the furthest depth of records to have something for him to break. Are you not happy? Fed never had a chance to break Steffi Graf's record so no one ever talked about her. Nole beat Graf's record. Now Serena is in the dust. Next is Margaret Court.

 

[TheNachoMan]

She won 11 Aussies where the biggest draw was 50 people and most of the draws were 25-35 entries. These legit aren’t real slams, it’s a sham of the highest order. Not to mention womens tennis isn’t even the same sport as men’s tennis, much less 60’s women’s tennis.

No matter, when Djokovic hits 25 he can put granny’s fake record and homophobia to bed.

They will just move on to wheelchair tennis or whatever if Novak gets #25. Maybe Martina’s combined singles and doubles total?

 

[NoleFam]

They are not comparing him. They are elevating her. We should be happy that they needed to reach the furthest depth of records to have something for him to break. Are you not happy? Fed never had a chance to break Steffi Graf's record so no one ever talked about her. Nole beat Graf's record. Now Serena is in the dust. Next is Margaret Court.

I guess but I don't like how tennis does that. You don't see the NBA or other sports comparing their records to WNBA, etc.

 

[Fabresque]

They will just move on to wheelchair tennis or whatever if Novak gets #25. Maybe Martina’s combined singles and doubles total?

*Novak hits 25*

The NY Times - “Djokovic makes 25, just 3 away from tying Kunieda.”

“Whilst Novak is undeniably an amazing champion, he isn’t the greatest. That honor goes to Shingo Kunieda. With 28 majors in wheelchair singles tennis, Shingo is the greatest tennis player of all time. Novak has some catching up to do.”

 

[nolefam_2024]

I guess but I don't like how tennis does that. You don't see the NBA or other sports comparing their records to WNBA, etc.

Tennis just had 50 years of celebrating equal pay at the USOpen.

 

[NoleFam]

Tennis just had 50 years of celebrating equal pay at the USOpen.

Well yea, lol.

 

[Wander]

They will just move on to wheelchair tennis or whatever if Novak gets #25. Maybe Martina’s combined singles and doubles total?

Indeed, Margaret's 24 Major titles is just as relevant to what Djokovic is doing as Shingo Kunieda's current record of 28 Singles Majors in Wheelchairs tennis.

 

[Searchlight]

If I see one more thread about Margaret Court, my god.

She has no relevance to the men's record and she has barely any significance to the women's record as her Australian Open's were a joke when nobody bothered playing the tournament.

Not relevant...ask Serena...

 

[Indigo]

*Novak hits 25*

The NY Times - “Djokovic makes 25, just 3 away from tying Kunieda.”

“Whilst Novak is undeniably an amazing champion, he isn’t the greatest. That honor goes to Shingo Kunieda. With 28 majors in wheelchair singles tennis, Shingo is the greatest tennis player of all time. Novak has some catching up to do.”

Novak will beat that record too by playing in wheelchair when he is 80 years old.

 

[Crocodile]

Lol, she already is a distant memory but when Novak gets 25 it will be nice to forget about her (except then we'll get threads about him breaking her so called record that has no relevance to the men's tour).

Hey Darcy - you get a bit worked up about this topic. People are going to have different views and that’s ok.
I agree that comparing women’s to mens GS records are not that important but where I differ is that Margaret’s achievement should be recognised for its excellence.
Trying to denegrate her achievements because of the comments she made about sexuality and transgenderism, well I think that’s for a different conversation.
Also with regards to the tennis tour people can successfully argue that back then tennis was different, and it was different, but that’s how it is. One thing that was different back then for Australian players was that there was no flying to and from home to play overseas, once you travelled to the Northern Hemisphere you stayed there for 8 months. I try to leave history as it is and try to see it in the context of the time and at times make comparisons and connections with now times and then go from there;

 

[Bartelby]

Not relevant...ask Serena...

Serena is of no interest to the matter. By the time she even thought of this as a milestone, she was losing final after final. Losing made the milestone seem important.

 

[Bartelby]

Hey Darcy - you get a bit worked up about this topic. People are going to have different views and that’s ok.
I agree that comparing women’s to mens GS records are not that important but where I differ is that Margaret’s achievement should be recognised for its excellence.
Trying to denegrate her achievements because of the comments she made about sexuality and transgenderism, well I think that’s for a different conversation. People can successfully argue that back then tennis was different, and it was different, but that’s how it is. One thing that was different back then for Australian players was that there was no flying to and from home to play overseas, once you travelled to the Northern Hemisphere you stayed there for 8 months

Aussie is not denigrating Court's achievement. He simply prefers to see Graf as the GOAT. If I decided to think about this, I'd probably agree with him. But I think GOAT discussions are mostly pointless,

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Hey Darcy - you get a bit worked up about this topic. People are going to have different views and that’s ok.
I agree that comparing women’s to mens GS records are not that important but where I differ is that Margaret’s achievement should be recognised for its excellence.
Trying to denegrate her achievements because of the comments she made about sexuality and transgenderism, well I think that’s for a different conversation. People can successfully argue that back then tennis was different, and it was different, but that’s how it is. One thing that was different back then for Australian players was that there was no flying to and from home to play overseas, once you travelled to the Northern Hemisphere you stayed there for 8 months

I don't know why you are mentioning her comments about sexuality/transgender people, I didn't mention them. They have no impact on her achievements or my opinion on this matter.

She was a brilliant tennis player, great achievements but her so called slam record is not one of them and i've justified many times why. The Australian Open was not viewed as important or a slam, something like 6 of her draws she only faced Australians. 2 of them, the draws were so small because nobody flew to Australia that she only had to play 4 matches.

This has nothing to do with her comments, it has to do with the Australian Opens which even players like Evert and I think Borg said don't count because nobody considered it important.

 

[Bartelby]

If I see one more thread about Margaret Court, my god.

She has no relevance to the men's record and she has barely any significance to the women's record as her Australian Open's were a joke when nobody bothered playing the tournament.

Not only were the fields of low quality, they were not 128 player fields so more like a half-marathon than a full one.

 

[Searchlight]

Serena is of no interest to the matter. By the time she even thought of this as a milestone, she was losing final after final. Losing made the milestone seem important.

How do you know when she thought this milestone was worth pursuing? Are you the co-founder of Reddit?

 

[Bartelby]

Margaret Smith was a far better player than Margaret Court!

 

[Bartelby]

How do you know when she thought this milestone was worth pursuing? Are you the co-founder of Reddit?

The Court record seemed to be the media take on any of her losses in finals as they unfolded. I assume this had some sort of effect.

In any event, my comment merely assumed as per my interlocutor (aka you) that this goal was important to her. That was the common view, whether true or not.

 

[timnz]

Margaret Smith was a far better player than Margaret Court!

Court - got the grand slam in 1970 and had a 3 slam year in 1973. Don’t think so

 

[Bartelby]

Court - got the grand slam in 1970 and had a 3 slam year in 1973. Don’t think so

Court played in a weak era, quite clearly.

 

[Crocodile]

Ok heres one for you Bart and Darcy - before 1967 the NSW rugby league competition had 10 teams in the competition and then after 1967 went to 12 teams. South’s have won 21 Premierships, more than any other team - relevant or not relevant ?

 

[Kralingen]

Court played plumbers. Obviously though, incredible achievements and she still had to show up and do it.

 

[Bubcay]

Not the same sport...

 

[Crocodile]

I don't know why you are mentioning her comments about sexuality/transgender people, I didn't mention them. They have no impact on her achievements or my opinion on this matter.

She was a brilliant tennis player, great achievements but her so called slam record is not one of them and i've justified many times why. The Australian Open was not viewed as important or a slam, something like 6 of her draws she only faced Australians. 2 of them, the draws were so small because nobody flew to Australia that she only had to play 4 matches.

This has nothing to do with her comments, it has to do with the Australian Opens which even players like Evert and I think Borg said don't count because nobody considered it important.

You talked about it yesterday on the other thread on 62 and 71. I’m not judging just referencing some of your sentiments. Since she made those comments she has been on the outer, people wanting to remove her name from the stadium and not invite her to the final of the AO instead preferring to invite BJK - just an observation

 

[Bartelby]

Ok heres one for you Bart and Darcy - before 1967 the NSW rugby league competition had 10 teams in the competition and then after 1967 went to 12 teams. South’s have won 21 Premierships, more than any other team - relevant or not relevant ?

1. you are talking about an exclusively men's event

2. the number of teams is less relevant than the number of matches you have to win to get a slam

3. given that new teams can't catch South's record anytime soon, you need to make some sort of distinction between the old league and the contemporary one

This is irrelevant to the topic, but the Souths went from a working-class team to a celebrity-rich one, so Souths aren't really the same team.

 

[Crocodile]

1. you are talking about an exclusively men's event

2. the number of teams is less relevant than the number of matches you have to win to get a slam

3. given that new teams can't catch South's record anytime soon, you need to make some sort of distinction between the old league and the contemporary one

This is irrelevant to the topic, but the Souths went from a working-class team to a celebrity-rich one, so Souths aren't really the same team.

The women’s league hasn’t been going for that long to have 21 premierships.
Yes we can make a distinction between old league and new league but almost all of rugby league community respect south’s 21 titles followed by St George’s 8 premierships in a row

 

[Hammett41]

Not the same sport...

Looks like tennis to me.

 

[Robert F]

So shouldn't the GOAT debate now be between Djokovic, Court, Serena, Graf and Nadal?
Or does Martina take it if we factor in all Grand Slam Titles?

There is a reason we separate men's and women's sports.
The other choice is to have one division--but that just doesn't seem fair to me.

 

[Bartelby]

And whoever heard that Federer was chasing Graff's 22? This Court business is obviously full of bad intentions.

 

[Razer]

Aussie is not denigrating Court's achievement. He simply prefers to see Graf as the GOAT. If I decided to think about this, I'd probably agree with him. But I think GOAT discussions are mostly pointless,

Graf is no GOAT
If Margaret Court is not the GOAT then it is Serena Williams.

Steffi won her slams in a weak era, heavily asterisked 50% of her resume.

 

[Bartelby]

Graf is no GOAT
If Margaret Court is not the GOAT then it is Serena Williams.

Steffi won her slams in a weak era, heavily asterisked 50% of her resume.

I never warmed to Serena's style of tennis whereas I was more of an admirer of Venus. I also prefer Federer over Djokovic, even if he is languishing four slams in arrears.

 

[Art Tennis]

Graf is no GOAT
If Margaret Court is not the GOAT then it is Serena Williams.

Steffi won her slams in a weak era, heavily asterisked 50% of her resume.

Serena didnt even reach the 4 Slam finals in a single calendar year... and she won the majority of her slams in the 2010s when the WTA had number one players like Jankovic, Safina, Woznicki, Ivanovic, etc.

 

[Razer]

Serena didnt even reach the 4 Slam finals in a single calendar year... and she won the majority of her slams in the 2010s when the WTA had number one players like Jankovic, Safina, Woznicki, Ivanovic, etc.

Serena held all 4 slams at the same time twice in his career.
Her competition was incredible tough in 2000s, then she won in 2010s against ladies younger to her, so basically she always had it very tough.

 

[Hitman]

Incredible scenes.

 

[Art Tennis]

Serena held all 4 slams at the same time twice in his career.
Her competition was incredible tough in 2000s, then she won in 2010s against ladies younger to her, so basically she always had it very tough.

Her competition in the 2010s was laughable until the arrival of Osaka in 2018 or so. And Steffi also held the 4 majors at the same time twice... including her monumental 1988 season.

 

[Razer]

Her competition in the 2010s was laughable until the arrival of Osaka in 2018 or so. And Steffi also held the 4 majors at the same time twice... including her monumental 1988 season.

Steffi's main rival was dominating for some years before she was stabbed, so steffi dominated in a vacuum. Her 1988 season was also scored in a weak era where Navfratilova/Evert were old and Seles had not yet arrived, this vacuum helped Steffi get 1988 season. Steffi was a weak era dominator

 

[timnz]

Court played in a weak era, quite clearly.

Possibly, but she could only play those who were on front of her to play. Her head to head against Billy Jean king was 17-11 in courts’ favour

 

[bnjkn]

Peak Djokovic vs peak Court 10 matches

 

[Art Tennis]

Steffi's main rival was dominating for some years before she was stabbed, so steffi dominated in a vacuum. Her 1988 season was also scored in a weak era where Navfratilova/Evert were old and Seles had not yet arrived, this vacuum helped Steffi get 1988 season. Steffi was a weak era dominator

Seles dominated while Steffi was in a slump because of the Blackmail scandal involving her father... and oh casuality that Serena won the majority of her Slams once the main rivals of her generation retired... especially Henin.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Serena didnt even reach the 4 Slam finals in a single calendar year... and she won the majority of her slams in the 2010s when the WTA had number one players like Jankovic, Safina, Woznicki, Ivanovic, etc.

Huh? This is just laughably wrong...

in the 2010s when the WTA had number one players like Jankovic, Safina, Woznicki, Ivanovic, etc.

Ivanovic was #1 in 2008
Jankovic was #1 in 2008/2009
Safina was #1 in 2009.

None of those 3 were #1 in the 2010's. Safina literally stopped playing tennis in 2011

 

[Art Tennis]

Huh? This is just laughably wrong...



Ivanovic was #1 in 2008
Jankovic was #1 in 2008/2009
Safina was #1 in 2009.

None of those 3 were #1 in the 2010's. Safina literally stopped playing tennis in 2011

Well, who then? Sharapova or Azarenka? They are a joke

 

[Flash777]

Lol... The entire media going on about how he tied Court's record of 24 Slams!

This nonsensical argument was completely non existent when Sampras, Federer and Nadal were going for their records.

Next they are going to talk about Doubles Slams record, Wheel chair Tennis Slam records and overall Slam records that Navratilova/Serena have including their Doubles and Mixed Doubles.

Absolute Shameless narratives!