Djoker: holy lead tape

carlosoki

Rookie
Also look the distance between last cross string and the frame and compare with a retail Speed Pro racquet.

Not the same!!!!! :twisted:


 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
That's not that much, most guys layer the lead tape so there's more than it looks like.

dr325i, how's it going? You coming back here any time soon?
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
Lead tape placement and how much is used depends on the rackets stock weight and balance and what you are trying to achieve by adding lead tape.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
That's why his racquet has a swingweight of 371. Hard to get it that high without putting lead tape all over the hoop.
Two layers from 10:00 to 2:00 should do it.

I have three layers to get to 386.

It's better hidden with full CAPs in black.
 

dr325i

Legend
From measuring them...




340 would represent a strung spec.
My man, A!
Good stuff.
So, the PT113 is the mold engineering code (obviously from an old Radical MP mold, not TGK231.x which is MG), layup B which is about 60RA
And as suspected, the production is in China...
 

dr325i

Legend
Exactly! Djokovic uses a custom paintjob so how would anyone know what the starting swingweight is? :confused:
How would ANYONE know that??
Right, they erase the memory of those that had a miracle first hand view of his racket...

Also, how do YOU know Djokovic uses a "custom" PJ, instead of customized (by silicone and lead) Radical MP painted whatever...
 
My man, A!
Good stuff.
So, the PT113 is the mold engineering code (obviously from an old Radical MP mold, not TGK231.x which is MG), layup B which is about 60RA
And as suspected, the production is in China...
H22113 is iradical mp. If i remember corrextly the h22 part means that is made in austria. So i'm guessing the 113 part is the same as this one here
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
From measuring them...




340 would represent a strung spec.

So are you saying that you measured these yourself?

If not:

1. How can 340 be a strung spec when these are just hairpins?

2. Where does it say 340?

3. How do we know these are actually Djokovic's racquets?

4. I thought pro stock frames were supposed to be lighter out of the mold than retail frames before adding lead tape?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
My man, A!
Good stuff.
So, the PT113 is the mold engineering code (obviously from an old Radical MP mold, not TGK231.x which is MG), layup B which is about 60RA
And as suspected, the production is in China...
Actually, it says "B1" so it could be a different flex.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
How would ANYONE know that??
Right, they erase the memory of those that had a miracle first hand view of his racket...

Also, how do YOU know Djokovic uses a "custom" PJ, instead of customized (by silicone and lead) Radical MP painted whatever...
Because he uses a Liquid Metal Radical MP without the ridges so it must be a custom mold.
 
So are you saying that you measured these yourself?

If not:

1. How can 340 be a strung spec when these are just hairpins?

2. Where does it say 340?

3. How do we know these are actually Djokovic's racquets?

4. I thought pro stock frames were supposed to be lighter out of the mold than retail frames before adding lead tape?
For the love of God.... the picture shows to us that he has access to his rackets even before they get customized and strung, not the exact time that are been measured. Damn...
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
but why does he use such a "primitive" lead setup if it is a custom frame? wouldn't there be more elegant methods to add weight on a custom frame than putting on lead tape?
This is the approach that Wilson used with the K90 and KPS88 - make the base frame heavy in being closer to what the pros actually use. The KPS88 didn't sell well and was discontinued after two years. The K90 was popular because Fed used it but I think that a lot of players found that they couldn't use it effectively. And even Federer himself is moving on.

The advantage of using a light hairpin is that other people can use it. If you have a large stable of pros, you can use a set of hairpins for a large number of pros and each pro can have their own customizations.
 

Lefty78

Professional
But he never said that he was the one who took that picture, did he?
Yes, I took the photo.

If you want to PM me and ask me nicely, I'll answer your other questions as well. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just trying to argue for the sake of argument,
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I took the photo.

If you want to PM me and ask me nicely, I'll answer your other questions as well. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just trying to argue for the sake of argument,
Thats what BP does! If your info doesnt give with what he thinks, then look out!:shock:
 
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BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
This is the approach that Wilson used with the K90 and KPS88 - make the base frame heavy in being closer to what the pros actually use. The KPS88 didn't sell well and was discontinued after two years. The K90 was popular because Fed used it but I think that a lot of players found that they couldn't use it effectively. And even Federer himself is moving on.
Not sure if that was the reason for discontinuing the KPS88 since Wilson discontinues just about every racquet model after two years these days. The KPS88 is in very high demand on the used market.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Nope there are other guys out there that use that racquet.
That doesn't mean that it's not custom. "Custom" just means that it's not available at retail. If EVERY Head sponsored pro used this mold, it would still be a custom mold since I could never at any point in time walk into a store and buy this exact same frame.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
That doesn't mean that it's not custom. "Custom" just means that it's not available at retail. If EVERY Head sponsored pro used this mold, it would still be a custom mold since I could never at any point in time walk into a store and buy this exact same frame.
But you could buy this mold at one time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just dont get it!!!:shock:
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Reread my post!
You're the one who claimed over the years that Djokovic uses a LM Radical MP but without the ridges. So how do you get rid of the ridges on the LM Radical without changing the mold?

Were not Tim Henman's Slazenger and Mardy Fish's Dunlop also custom molds, since they were essentially Wilson PS 6.1 Classics but without the PWS?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
But you could buy this mold at one time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just dont get it!!!:shock:
With the exact same layup, flex, balance, weight distribution, static weight, and swingweight as the hairpin that Djokovic uses? I don't think so.

If Lefty78 is correct, it has a SW of 340 stock.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
You're the one who claimed over the years that Djokovic uses a LM Radical MP but without the ridges. So how do you get rid of the ridges on the LM Radical without changing the mold?

Were not Tim Henman's Slazenger and Mardy Fish's Dunlop also custom molds, since they were essentially Wilson PS 6.1 Classics but without the PWS?
I said that to make it simple for simple people. The Ti.Radical and i.Radical Mp are from the same custom mold.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
With the exact same layup, flex, balance, weight distribution, static weight, and swingweight as the hairpin that Djokovic uses? I don't think so.

If Lefty78 is correct, it has a SW of 340 stock.
Do you know the difference between MOLD and layup? I don't think so
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Yes, I took the photo.

If you want to PM me and ask me nicely, I'll answer your other questions as well. Otherwise, it sounds like you're just trying to argue for the sake of argument,
OK, thanks for clarifying that.

So in addition to the swingweight, did you also happen to measure the flex and static weight?
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Not sure if that was the reason for discontinuing the KPS88 since Wilson discontinues just about every racquet model after two years these days. The KPS88 is in very high demand on the used market.
They usually come out with a new model of the frames that are doing well. They didn't do that with the KPS88.

The whole retail frame market is going lighter with only a few exceptions. You can always get a Ki5 PSE but those specs are very rare indeed today.

I'm hoping that I won't have to buy a racquet for a very long time given the trend towards, stiffer and lighter.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Do you know the difference between MOLD and layup? I don't think so
Of course I do. I just don't recall a Radical MP sold at retail without having any ridges that had a stock swingweight of 340. If you do, please enlighten us. :)

So how do you know if Djokovic uses a Ti.Radical MP mold or a LM Radical MP mold with the ridges removed? Isn't it possible that these are actually two different physical molds?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
They usually come out with a new model of the frames that are doing well. They didn't do that with the KPS88.
Well, that could also be because Sampras switched to a Babolat so he was not even endorsing nor using his own signature frame anymore. :shock:

And the way that must have ticked off Wilson, I'm not surprised that they discontinued the "Sampras" racquet. :(
 
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