djoker may skip us open for french open

Hitman said:
Rocky has heart though, and has taken on challenges far greater than him, Apollo and Drago come to mind. His determination is his greatest asset when he actually zones in, Rambo never zones out, but that can also be self-destructive when you are wired up all the time. That takes a mental toll, plus he was suffering from PTSD.
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DDRRRAAAAGGGGOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hitman said:
My point exactly. Rocky's determination can match Rambo, of course Rambo is accustomed to more extreme and deadly situations.
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I agree Rambo would leave Rocky for dead and spit in his dead skull.
 
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> Be Djokovic
> Skip USO
> Nadal pulls even further ahead
> Play RG
> Lose to Thiem
> mfw
 
NADALalot said:
I agree Rambo would leave Rocky for dead and spit in his dead skull.
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Well, you are comparing a guy who can rip another guy's throat out with his bare hands, or cut his heart out and show it to him without any hesitation to a professional boxer. Of course if it was hand to hand he would win, but what if it was a professional boxing match, Rocky would likely take him out.
 
Novak won't skip slams if there are slams being played. He's 3 back from Roger and 2 from Rafa. He's just posturing and it's not my favorite look from him, but no way he skips slams that are there to be won. Same for Rafael. (He and Rafa would be top 2 favorites at US and FO, with Thiem in the mix). Neither of them will skip slams that are there to be won and can affect who goes down as the GOAT at this critical juncture of their careers lol.
 
Nadalgaenger said:
Imagine how much crap Nadal will get if he wins USO without having to go through any great players.
People always rail on the guy for easy draws at the USO but he’s 2-1 against Nole in finals there.
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History would remember 5 US Opens, a share of the record there and likely the slam record.

Keyboard warriors won't affect the overall narrative.
 
What an odd fall season it could be with the USO and French so close together - assuming it happens.

I've seen some articles on Covid spikes in different places (nothing crazy, but still, not moving in the right direction), which in light of the incubation period, can probably be traced back to all the late-May reopenings and the Memorial Day weekend shenanigans. And, then there will be the spikes due to the protests. So, I'm not confident the USO actually will happen. I guess if they're not having fans or limited capacity, that increases the chances quite a bit.

The USTA really needs the US Open to happen.
 
125downthemiddle said:
Novak won't skip slams if there are slams being played. He's 3 back from Roger and 2 from Rafa. He's just posturing and it's not my favorite look from him, but no way he skips slams that are there to be won. Same for Rafael. (He and Rafa would be top 2 favorites at US and FO, with Thiem in the mix). Neither of them will skip slams that are there to be won and can affect who goes down as the GOAT at this critical juncture of their careers lol.
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Thiem has won his last 2 French Open meetings with Djokovic, so hard to imagine Djokovic being the favorite over Thiem this year.
And even at the AO, Thiem led 2 sets to 1, before Djokovic won 6-4 in 5th Set.
 
Nadalgaenger said:
Imagine how much crap Nadal will get if he wins USO without having to go through any great players.
People always rail on the guy for easy draws at the USO but he’s 2-1 against Nole in finals there.
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Yep, and Rafa has been very unlucky, not playing the US Open in 2012 and 2014.
 
NADALalot said:
Thiem has won his last 2 French Open meetings with Djokovic, so hard to imagine Djokovic being the favorite over Thiem this year.
And even at the AO, Thiem led 2 sets to 1, before Djokovic won 6-4 in 5th Set.
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Dude give it a rest really I'm pretty much agreeing with you everywhere except minor things . Lol these extreme fans are a bit much with their slant on every last thing (including my own fanbase.)

Djokovic actually is a slight favorite over Thiem according to books makers because they understand the conditions of the previous matches, and they probably figure Thiem is less likely to best Rafa in a final even if he gets thru Novak. But in any case I said Thiem is right there with them.

Novak and Rafa are among the main contenders at both, that was the point...
 
125downthemiddle said:
Dude give it a rest really I'm pretty much agreeing with you everywhere except minor things . Lol these extreme fans are a bit much with their slant on every last thing (including my own fanbase.)

Djokovic actually is a slight favorite over Thiem according to books makers because they understand the conditions of the previous matches, and they probably figure Thiem is less likely to best Rafa in a final even if he gets thru Novak. But in any case I said Thiem is right there with them.

Novak and Rafa are among the main contenders at both, that was the point...
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Don't worry, this is a forum, so we aren't supposed to agree.
There is no correct answer here, just opinions.

Well I'm not even fan of Thiem, and I wouldn't lose any sleep if Thiem retired today, so I'm very unbiased in the Thiem-Djokovic match-up.
I'd prefer to see Rafa-Djokovic in the Final actually, but I just don't see any evidence of Djokovic being the favorite in a match-up with Thiem at Roland Garros.

Yeah I'm just looking at Thiem vs. Djokovic, not the odds of Thiem winning Roland Garros.
So the bookmakers aren't relevant in this case.
I agree Djokovic has a better chance of winning Roland Garros overall because he's better at playing Rafa at Roland Garros than Thiem is.

Then again, Djokovic has only won ONE set in his last 3 clay meetings with Rafa, and their last meeting was 60 46 61.
 
NADALalot said:
Don't worry, this is a forum, so we aren't supposed to agree.
There is no correct answer here, just opinions.

Well I'm not even fan of Thiem, and I wouldn't lose any sleep if Thiem retired today, so I'm very unbiased in the Thiem-Djokovic match-up.
I'd prefer to see Rafa-Djokovic in the Final actually, but I just don't see any evidence of Djokovic being the favorite in a match-up with Thiem at Roland Garros.

Yeah I'm just looking at Thiem vs. Djokovic, not the odds of Thiem winning Roland Garros.
So the bookmakers aren't relevant in this case.
I agree Djokovic has a better chance of winning Roland Garros overall because he's better at playing Rafa at Roland Garros than Thiem is.

Then again, Djokovic has only won ONE set in his last 3 clay meetings with Rafa, and their last meeting was 60 46 61.
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Yes if they faced head to head in a semifinal I would say it's at best 50 50 for Djokovic against Thiem.

So if they all play do you think Rafa has the better chance to win both than Novak? (If one of them were to win both)
 
This really could end careers of the big 3 ?
I mean if there won't be any ATP tennis for, say, another year or so?
 
125downthemiddle said:
Yes if they faced head to head in a semifinal I would say it's at best 50 50 for Djokovic against Thiem.

So if they all play do you think Rafa has the better chance to win both than Novak? (If one of them were to win both)
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History would suggest that yes, because Rafa has won the last 3 French Opens, and 2 of the last 3 US Opens, and he's got a winning record over Djokovic at both events.
So I don't think its even close, Rafa is far more likely to win both than Djokovic is.
 
ewiewp said:
This really could end careers of the big 3 ?
I mean if there won't be any ATP tennis for, say, another year or so?
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Only a mind-reader could answer that question, if you can read the mind of the Big 3....
Anyway I doubt they'll ever have to think about your scenario.
Because this year they are playing Rome and Roland Garros (except for Federer, because he's done for the year).
Madrid is rumored to be possible, but I don't see where they'll squeeze it if the US Open is being played, unless they play Madrid after Roland Garros....
 
NADALalot said:
History would suggest that yes, because Rafa has won the last 3 French Opens, and 2 of the last 3 US Opens, and he's got a winning record over Djokovic at both events.
So I don't think its even close, Rafa is far more likely to win both than Djokovic is.
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Betting odds imply Djokovic is slightly more likely. But it's definitely close either way lol. Of course Nadal is a bigger favorite at RG than Novak anywhere. Still you're cherry picking stats, but you also said Dimitrov played better than Novak ever did in a SF AO loss to Rafa, so I don't take it personally. ;)
 
125downthemiddle said:
Betting odds imply Djokovic is slightly more likely. But it's definitely close either way lol. Of course Nadal is a bigger favorite at RG than Novak anywhere. Still you're cherry picking stats, but you also said Dimitrov played better than Novak ever did in a SF AO loss to Rafa, so I don't take it personally. ;)
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Well Djokovic has only ever won 3 US Opens, despite being the favorite every year, so we know bookmakers are usually wrong about Djokovic at the US Open....
And we know there is no chance in hell of Djokovic being favorite at Roland Garros this year.

I'm cherry picking stats?
I covered the entire last 3 years.
The last 3 French Opens, and the last 3 US Opens, Rafa won 5 of those 6 events.
In fact even the event he lost - 2018 US Open - was impressive, because he reached the SF and retired while still pushing Del Potro to a tiebreaker in the 1st Set.

Many have said Verdasco-Rafa is the highest quality match ever at the AO, and I think if you watch the Rafa-Dimitrov match you'll be similarly impressed by it.
The fact that some people think 2011 US Open was Djokovic's best level, indicates that Djokovic's peak isn't very high, because Rafa wasn't even close to his best in that Final and used the wrong tactic entirely (he lacked confidence and was afraid to hit down-the-line on big points, the opposite of his 2010 and 2013 tactic).
 
gotta' believe getting that second French means a lot to him...Nadal has had his chances in Oz. Fed kind of in Paris. Nole would have something else big they don't.
 
Well, Djokovic winning Roland Garros looks less likely now than ever before.

Because Rafa has won the last THREE French Opens, and even Thiem is beating Djokovic there.
And the AO didn't help, because now Thiem knows he can beat Djokovic at the AO too.....which makes Thiem look even tougher for Djokovic at Roland Garros.

In addition, Rafa beat Djokovic on clay in 2017, 2018 and 2019.
2 of those wins were in straight sets, and the other win was 60 46 61, and that is the first bagel in the history of their rivalry.
 
NADALalot said:
Only a mind-reader could answer that question, if you can read the mind of the Big 3....
Anyway I doubt they'll ever have to think about your scenario.
Because this year they are playing Rome and Roland Garros (except for Federer, because he's done for the year).
Madrid is rumored to be possible, but I don't see where they'll squeeze it if the US Open is being played, unless they play Madrid after Roland Garros....
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This is about uncertainties.
If the COVID pandemic turns stronger this winter, next year of ATP will be even more uncertain.
 
if international players need a 14 day quarantine prior to the us open it seems that unless france is wide open without that restriction than playing both is impossible no?
 
swizzy said:
if international players need a 14 day quarantine prior to the us open it seems that unless france is wide open without that restriction than playing both is impossible no?
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There will probably be exemptions for professional athletes.
Governments know how important sport is, and will accommodate.
Also, they are planning on playing Rome just before Roland Garros.
 
France and the EU is currently lifting quanantine restrictions on incoming travel, especially internally, so that won't be a problem.

It might not be a problem soon in America, but the USO may have to lock their rules in now presumably if they are to go ahead.
 
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