Djoko vs Agassi
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InsideOut900
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I started questioning who is better between the 2 myself after Novak won in 2015.
Agassi would have a better shot if the courts were faster. Today's US Open courts are medium paced.
It would be a hell of a matchup, filled with those fast-paced ping pong rallies.
VamosBamos987
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Agassi would have won all on fast hard court, and split on slow hard court.
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IMO Agassi would have very little chances. He’s always inconsistent and Djokovic is way better in movement and general defensive abilities. Djokovic would counter almost everything, and Agassi’s net game isn’t good enough to finish those points easily. Also Djokovic’s serve is better.
Maybe Agassi wins one match against him every season, but not more and definitely no big match.
6august
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Haha 2 butthurts liked your comment cause they thought it was honest.
StannisTheMannis
Hall of Fame
It's gonna be a while before people finally accept how great Novak is. He'd wipe the floor with Agassi in every court but Fast HC
Roddick85
Hall of Fame
It would be an interesting match up that's for sure. I'm not sure who would have the edge though. Both are IMO not the greatest server in the world, so I could see a lot of break on both sides.
A more interesting match-up IMO, would be Sampras/Djokovic. Very contrasting styles, would probably lead to classics between the 2.
A more interesting match-up IMO, would be Sampras/Djokovic. Very contrasting styles, would probably lead to classics between the 2.
Djokovic2011
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Tshooter
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90's Clay
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How was Agassi the "much better player" at the USO?
His game was just more potent on fast hard courts than Nole. For as great of a hardcourt player as Nole is, his USO record performances haven't been the prettiest.
Unfortunately, for Agassi too he had to spend his entire career playing Sampras there. Which sucks for anyone. Pete took 4-5 USO titles away from Andre. (More if you're counting AGassi's MIA session from the sport for a few years after the '95 final).
Agassi was scary good at Flushing. Hell look at what he was doing at 34-35 years of age there. He was troubling a peak/prime Federer who was 11 years younger than him.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Perhaps Agassi's game was more potent on fast HC but ultimately he won the same amount of titles as Djokovic has at the USO so I fail to see how he was the "much better player".
And Novak had Federer to contend with for much of his career otherwise one could argue he'd be sitting on at least 3 more titles as well(no way would Andre have won 4-5 more even without Sampras standing in his way).
cc0509
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Agassi is one of the most beloved great champions of all time; Djokovic isn't.
Tshooter
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I did look. I was there. What did you think I was looking at the vendor kiosks ?
For which matches ? Most of them.
90's Clay
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How do you figure? Who was gonna beat Andre in 1990, 1995, 2001, 2002? He was playing awesome each of those years. Only Pete could beat him when he was playing like that.
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Hewitt would have beaten him in 2001.
90's Clay
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ROFLMAO No.. Did you see how good Andre was playing 2001? Hewitt couldn't beat Andre in 2002 when Andre was playing worse
The only reason Hewitt won in '01 was because Sampras completely gassed in the finals.
Limpinhitter
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I think you are way off here. In my view, in addition to probably having the greatest forehand/backhand combination in tennis history, Agassi was one of the steadiest, most consistent players of all time. And, he was a better net player than Djokovic. Djokovic's advantage is speed and defense which he can best utilize on hard courts. In my view, Agassi plays Djokovic about even on grass, and pretty close on clay. On hard Djokovic has too much speed advantage.
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Agassi played a great match against Hewitt in 2002, what are you talking about?
And Hewitt was in better form in 2001, took a crap on Kafelnikov before crushing your boy.
90's Clay
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He only crushed Sampras because Sampras had no energy because of a draw from hell. Rafter (Former USO Champ),Safin (the defending champ), Agassi (Playing peak form tennis)
Agassi played well in 2002 but he was better in 2001.
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90's Clay said:
90's Clay
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....Sampras didn't give a crap about non slam tourneys at that point in his career. So they mean nothing.
Sampras by his own admission in interviews said by that point all he cared about was slams.
Djokovic2011
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He was a great player but I just don't see him as a 6 time USO champion even without Sampras blocking his path so many times. I think someone else would've likely beaten him at some stage of the tournament.
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Nope, by that point Sampras was simply Hewitt's lapdog. Agassi had more confidence against Hewitt.
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LOL. He couldn't beat him if he tried by that point. He was past his prime and ready to retire so go figure but it's true.
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Chadillac
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Thats really picky since at that point his only chances were in two grand slams.
90's Clay
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Whats winning meaningless mickey mouse non-slam tournaments going to do his career by that point in time anyways? It doesn't really help you when you have accomplished things like Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, Sampras have.
The only thing that matters by that time is winning more slams.
abmk
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metsman
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Agassi also faced the two best USO players ever SIX different years at the USO. Six.
metsman
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Federer also gifted him his only 2 titles with charitable UFE donations along with beating him thrice (Although I highly doubt he wins all three times while it's a guarantee that Agassi wins at least 95 and 02) so it evens out. Agassi unfortunately did not receive the same charity from either Sampras or Federer.
metsman
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on fast hard Djoker regularly struggles with those who take time away from him and disrupt his rhythm. Agassi wouldn't do the latter but he is probably the best ever at doing the former. I think Agassi is the better fast hard player, on faster grass they would be equal, and Djoker is better on slow hard and clay.
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VexlanderPrime
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The TRUE multiple weight champion, Andre Agassi
Triple Bagels stuffed down Djoker's throat by the mullet. Doubtless.
In seriousness, I'd like to watch them play.
nolefam_2024
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Novak should win this.
MichaelNadal
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I don't see how Agassi was better on faster courts than slower; he had 4 AO's of his 8 total slams, 1 at FO, 1 at W, and 2 at US, pretty similar breakdown to ND's slams actually in terms of distribution.
Yeah he faced Pete on the faster surfaces, so you could maybe argue Andre was even across all the surfaces, certainly don't see how he was a particularly great fast court player though. Novak is better on slower courts than faster I guess, particularly slow HC, but he's definitely improved the past few years with his serve, and ending points quickly when needed. Look at some of the stats of short points won.
To me, it seems clear while Novak and Agassi are similar, ND is just a bit better, and I think that extends to all surfaces.
Yeah he faced Pete on the faster surfaces, so you could maybe argue Andre was even across all the surfaces, certainly don't see how he was a particularly great fast court player though. Novak is better on slower courts than faster I guess, particularly slow HC, but he's definitely improved the past few years with his serve, and ending points quickly when needed. Look at some of the stats of short points won.
To me, it seems clear while Novak and Agassi are similar, ND is just a bit better, and I think that extends to all surfaces.
FreeBird
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Limpinhitter
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I understand what you're saying. But, from the beginning, I thought Agassi's abbreviated windup on both sides made his groundgame uniquely superior to virtually all others on the fast bounces of grass. And, grass does not support Djokovic's speed advantage the way hard courts do.
DerekNoleFam1
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Agassi was a clean ball striker, and that was particular evident at the AO on Rebound Ace.
At the moment they are fairly even on the North American summer, fast hard courts.
Sure Agassi had to contend with Sampras, but Novak has not had all his own way with Federer and Nadal either.
Djoker wins another USO and that ends any debate.
The USO is still rated as fast paced, despite people saying it is now only medium paced.
Big hitters like Cilic and Delpo have shown you can still win this one, the old fashioned way.
At the moment they are fairly even on the North American summer, fast hard courts.
Sure Agassi had to contend with Sampras, but Novak has not had all his own way with Federer and Nadal either.
Djoker wins another USO and that ends any debate.
The USO is still rated as fast paced, despite people saying it is now only medium paced.
Big hitters like Cilic and Delpo have shown you can still win this one, the old fashioned way.
BeatlesFan
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Exactly. Andre is seriously underrated. I watched him played countless times live, and I've seen Djoker at IW many times as well. There's no comparison--- Agassi was vastly the better ball striker. The sound coming off Andre's racket was like a freakin' cannon. Djoker is superior in many areas of the game (especially mentally), but ball striker? Agassi is the greatest, hands down, IMO. And Andre's FH in person was monumental.
Also take into consideration that Andre stood on the baseline and took the ball way earlier than Djoker. WAY earlier. He also had to content with far faster courts, carpet, super fast/slick grass and a stronger field.
NoleFam
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You do realize he was being sarcastic here right?
